lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 15, 2011 23:35:21 GMT -5
ESPN REPORTING DOES SEEMS ALWAYS DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS CBS LOCAL PAPERS ETC HMMMMMM WONDER WHY cant wait till this stuff is over. gohoyas SUE PITT pleeaseseaseasease
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 16, 2011 5:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by Madgesdiq on Oct 16, 2011 7:02:25 GMT -5
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Post by sleepy on Oct 16, 2011 9:30:33 GMT -5
Hoyainspirt i agree screw Nova. and anyone on board with keeping Temple out. Just another example of how dysfunctional this league has become. BTW does anyone on this board have any real insight as to what Georgetowns real positions are with regards to the the various machinations that have gone on over the last year and in the coming months. The prepared press statments coming out of Healy do very little to inspire any confidence that we have any more of a stake in this thing than Seton Hall, when in reality we have much more to lose. For instance what impact will the proposed invitations have upon the voting strength of the non footballs, the new proposed exit fees, let alone all the machinations that have gone on during the last 12 months that resulted in Pitt and SU leaving.
Do we really know what DeGioias and the university's position has been and has it really been in the interest of the program.
I've been commenting on this since the day Uconn was invited into the BE for football forecasting that we would eventually end up here.
Does anyone have some factual information on what role and positions that we have taken to posiitively or negatively impact the conference re-alignment over the last ten years.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 16, 2011 10:07:00 GMT -5
Do we really know what DeGioias and the university's position has been and has it really been in the interest of the program. Does anyone have some factual information on what role and positions that we have taken to posiitively or negatively impact the conference re-alignment over the last ten years. Several comments: 1. It has always been Georgetown's MO to keep details of negotiations like this close but to interpret that as the administration not being involved, proactive, or not 'leading the charge' is an interpretation that rests in the person making it. 2. What do we know? - the recent in-person meeting of Presidents-Chancellors was held in the Riggs Library. That fact alone implies leadership on the part of DeGioia's administration. - the new Capital Campaign about to launch in 10 days has a significant fundraising goal (about $150 million) that is to support the Athletic Department and all its programs, but through the IAC project will support Mens Basketball in a major way. Is this consistent with the conclusion that the University is not committed to the basketball program and by extension to the Big East? - Lee Reed's recent statements to the HHC Board are not consistent with a program that is sitting back and waiting for something to happen. As for finding out how Georgetown voted on this or that proposal along the way, good luck. Anything you read on the internet purporting to have that information you should take with a very large grain of salt.
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Post by CWS on Oct 16, 2011 10:16:44 GMT -5
DeGioia was the Big East point person for Georgetown during the administrations of Healy and O'Donovan. I assume that two-decade experience has given him a grasp of the issues at stake and the best way through the thicket.
At a recent faculty town hall meeting, he stated he was committed to the Big East and not (I think I heard this right) looking for a CYO (he didn't say it quite so bluntly, but something like "the present configuration has served us well").
One other thing: secrecy is not always for "bad" reasons (e.g., a way to avoid transparency, or manipulate the spin). Given that there are other parties involved, there is a duty to respect and protect their confidentiality.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 16, 2011 15:04:39 GMT -5
so based on the latest links 1) We're going to go to 12 football and 17 basketball. 2) There is a possibility of adding more non football schools according to one of the links.
So does it make sense for scheduling purposes to try and get to an even 18 for basketball if so who do you invite. Obviously the strongest program out there to add is Xavier. But does Cincinnati object to adding Xavier the way Nova objects to adding temple? If so who do you invite in their place?
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 16, 2011 15:04:43 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 16, 2011 16:10:47 GMT -5
DeGioia was the Big East point person for Georgetown during the administrations of Healy and O'Donovan. I assume that two-decade experience has given him a grasp of the issues at stake and the best way through the thicket. At a recent faculty town hall meeting, he stated he was committed to the Big East and not (I think I heard this right) looking for a CYO (he didn't say it quite so bluntly, but something like "the present configuration has served us well"). One other thing: secrecy is not always for "bad" reasons (e.g., a way to avoid transparency, or manipulate the spin). Given that there are other parties involved, there is a duty to respect and protect their confidentiality. There is also the need to avoid seeming desperate, which happens when you invite teams into your conference without strong assurances that they will accept. There is a touch of circular motion involved here; current programs do not want to commit to the long-term without assurances that the BE will survive and grow, but targets for growth do not want to commit until they are assured that the current programs will commit. Add in the need for the bball schools to protect their futures if things don't work out yet still present a unified front with the football schools while the expansion plans are pursued, throw in the interests of the other athletic programs at the school - I would rather not have our leaders spouting off with every little development. We will know what happens when it happens.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 16, 2011 20:01:31 GMT -5
Agree that nothing positive comes from acting and looking desperate. Yet the Big East is desperate and that is no secret. Boise St. is now a savior? I wonder if the people at Boise think that their chances of getting into the BCS each year are really that much improved in the Big East over the MWC. Reality is that the Boise team has an excellent shot at having just a few tough games each year now with some travel but not ridiculous travel. Louisville is the closest Big East team to Boise and it is 1900 miles away. The travel alone is capable of getting to a team.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 16, 2011 20:23:22 GMT -5
Agree that nothing positive comes from acting and looking desperate. Yet the Big East is desperate and that is no secret. Boise St. is now a savior? I wonder if the people at Boise think that their chances of getting into the BCS each year are really that much improved in the Big East over the MWC. Reality is that the Boise team has an excellent shot at having just a few tough games each year now with some travel but not ridiculous travel. Louisville is the closest Big East team to Boise and it is 1900 miles away. The travel alone is capable of getting to a team. Boise plays in Atlanta and Toledo this season; next year they play iin Ohio again, at Southern Miss and at Hawaii. I don't think the travel will be that much greater a burden, especially in exchange for the shot at an AUTOMATIC BCS berth.
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Post by reformation on Oct 16, 2011 20:54:23 GMT -5
Do we really know what DeGioias and the university's position has been and has it really been in the interest of the program. Does anyone have some factual information on what role and positions that we have taken to posiitively or negatively impact the conference re-alignment over the last ten years. Several comments: 1. It has always been Georgetown's MO to keep details of negotiations like this close but to interpret that as the administration not being involved, proactive, or not 'leading the charge' is an interpretation that rests in the person making it. 2. What do we know? - the recent in-person meeting of Presidents-Chancellors was held in the Riggs Library. That fact alone implies leadership on the part of DeGioia's administration. - the new Capital Campaign about to launch in 10 days has a significant fundraising goal (about $150 million) that is to support the Athletic Department and all its programs, but through the IAC project will support Mens Basketball in a major way. Is this consistent with the conclusion that the University is not committed to the basketball program and by extension to the Big East? - Lee Reed's recent statements to the HHC Board are not consistent with a program that is sitting back and waiting for something to happen. As for finding out how Georgetown voted on this or that proposal along the way, good luck. Anything you read on the internet purporting to have that information you should take with a very large grain of salt. Hard to say what "leadership" really means in this situation. Just hosting a meeting in DC(a logical location along with maybe NYC) after things have blown up doesn't necesssarily mean much. _I seriously doubt that we have any real influence of the other concerned parties or events, so its pretty hard to really "lead". Also I suspect a lot of our or DeGioia's" leadership" in a setting like that comes from our affiliation with Tags. We might be doing a great job, shepherding a new way fwd, or not--none of us really know.
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Post by mapei on Oct 16, 2011 21:23:13 GMT -5
I wonder if any other conferences are interested in Boise - they are so popular and strong now that it would seem they could go most anywhere they want.
I'm not sure I understand the enthusiasm for Houston basketball. They have earned exactly one NCAA bid since 1992 (in 2010) and haven't won an NCAA tournament game since . . . 1984. As for UCF, they did make the tournament in 2004 and 2005, but not since, and they last won a tournament game in 1982. SMU? They were most recently in the NCAAs in 1993. East Carolina has been to any postseason tourney exactly once since 1972.
ESPN is going to televise these schools' basketball games? Really?
I think the truth is that the Big East is going after dregs when it comes to basketball. I guess that's the reality we're faced with, given that only football matters in this mess, but I'm not going to put a pretty face on it.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 16, 2011 21:43:26 GMT -5
We might be doing a great job, shepherding a new way fwd, or not--none of us really know. No argument from me on that point.
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Post by KirbyKeger on Oct 16, 2011 21:43:42 GMT -5
There are two reasons for the enthusiasm regarding Houston. First, the history of their program is obviously quite solid. More importantly though, they recently landed 2 extremely high profile recruits in the class of 2012: Danuel House and Chicken Knowles. So, there is a good amount of optimism surrounding U of H right now.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 16, 2011 21:45:13 GMT -5
Agree that nothing positive comes from acting and looking desperate. Yet the Big East is desperate and that is no secret. Boise St. is now a savior? I wonder if the people at Boise think that their chances of getting into the BCS each year are really that much improved in the Big East over the MWC. Reality is that the Boise team has an excellent shot at having just a few tough games each year now with some travel but not ridiculous travel. Louisville is the closest Big East team to Boise and it is 1900 miles away. The travel alone is capable of getting to a team. Boise plays in Atlanta and Toledo this season; next year they play iin Ohio again, at Southern Miss and at Hawaii. I don't think the travel will be that much greater a burden, especially in exchange for the shot at an AUTOMATIC BCS berth. Boise is far from a BCS automatic in a conference where they might have to play West Virginia, USF, and others back to back to back. Right now Boise decides who their tough games are going to be and when and where. I think playing Georgia first, when everyone is healthy is much easier than having a series of long road trips against opponents better than the typical teams Boise plays in conference now. Also read recently that Boise loses many key players this year. They have 17-18 seniors including many starters. Perhaps Boise should wait rebuild and maintain their great record while hoping for an invitation from the Big 12.
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Post by mapei on Oct 16, 2011 21:52:53 GMT -5
There are two reasons for the enthusiasm regarding Houston. First, the history of their program is obviously quite solid. if you mean the history of their program 30 years ago, I have to agree. But I'm not sure that's relevant now. Your point about the two big recruits, if they pan out, could prove valid. But it's hard to say.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 16, 2011 22:29:13 GMT -5
Boise plays in Atlanta and Toledo this season; next year they play iin Ohio again, at Southern Miss and at Hawaii. I don't think the travel will be that much greater a burden, especially in exchange for the shot at an AUTOMATIC BCS berth. Boise is far from a BCS automatic in a conference where they might have to play West Virginia, USF, and others back to back to back. Right now Boise decides who their tough games are going to be and when and where. I think playing Georgia first, when everyone is healthy is much easier than having a series of long road trips against opponents better than the typical teams Boise plays in conference now. Also read recently that Boise loses many key players this year. They have 17-18 seniors including many starters. Perhaps Boise should wait rebuild and maintain their great record while hoping for an invitation from the Big 12. I am not necessarily a big fan of an invite to a team so far away; at the same time your evaluation actually helps make the case for them to want the Big East. They will have absolutely zero chance at a BCS berth now without going undefeated in any particular year, and if they are losing a lot of talent they will not be a factor for a number of years; however in the BE, with its mediocrity, they could lose a non-conference game, maybe even a conference game, and still have a good shot at the BCS
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Oct 17, 2011 8:02:29 GMT -5
If adding these six is the final outcome, I'd say we've done about as well as we could of hoped for in this mess. It hopefully will have at least stopped the bleeding for the time being and added 3 sizable TV markets as well as 2 programs with true national followings
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Post by thebin on Oct 17, 2011 8:20:33 GMT -5
I agree that this is the best possible outcome we could have hoped for realistically- only I would have liked the exit fee closer to 20MM than 10MM. And if this does come to pass, we have to start a campaign to publically humiliate Army for their cowardly retreat out of real IA football when there is a league with Navy and Air Force that would invite them for football only. Add Army and Memphis or Temple to have 14 and 19 with a title game at the Meadowlands every year.
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