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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 21, 2011 11:53:53 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 21, 2011 12:19:28 GMT -5
Yes. The entire FL ave market area and surrounding neighborhoods around Galludet would be excellent locations. Not just the H street street car going to GU (although thats going to be the slowest public transportation ever), but that is also an area of DC that is growing.
Currently it is still a pretty bad area but the DC governemnt is trying to bring business to the area. Additionally, that is the ONLY place still within DC limits that we could find enough land for buildings and maybe some athletic fields.
EDIT: More on the street car. It will be traveling slower then buses, even with their stops. As much as I am excited to see, I am dreading the traffic it will cause and the fact that it won't be useful for going more then a couple of blocks unless you want to take all day traversing DC. Especially for the areas that they plan to do mixed-traffic (like M street?!?!?!!!)
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Post by CAHoya07 on Sept 21, 2011 13:10:08 GMT -5
"The much-expected future site of the GU Hospital on North Kehoe field..." Wait, what?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 21, 2011 13:28:19 GMT -5
"The much-expected future site of the GU Hospital on North Kehoe field..." Wait, what? Medstar has made signals that it wants to annex North Kehoe (and although they won't say it, it could conceivably overtake into Yates as well) to build a new hospital that would replace the current 535 bed hospital (built 1947) within the overall medical center. Three problems: 1. North Kehoe isn't under their jursidiction, so GU would have to cede the land. It took away the baseball field, so that's a precedent. 2. Resident pushback would be severe, even under the guise of "it'll be farther back on campus", but anything directly off Reservoir might be fine for some. 3. Such a decision all but forces soccer programs off campus because the MSF is too small to fit a soccer field. A concurrent (even more ambitious) scenario is moving the entire hospital off-campus, maybe even in NE, opening up all that land on campus for redevelopment in the 2020's--dorms, classroms, athletics, whatever--somewhere around 10-15 acres of real estate. This, too, takes money--lots of it and there couls be pushback if it is too close to existing hospital facilities (Providence Hospital, Howard Univ Hospital, Washington Hospital Center, etc.) Another scenario is building an athletics campus somewhere in the suburbs (or for this discussion, NE) which could host essentially all outdoor GU sports and perhaps build a field house (though not necessarily an arena) for intramurals and recreational sports. This, too, takes money--lots of it, though less than building a new hospital. But would people travel to Edgewood to swim, jog, or play pick-up basketball? First of many questions--where do you find a parcel of land like that, and what happens to the price once someone thinks Georgetown wants to buy it? Second question--what happens to the Medical School institutionally to be separated from the main campus? Third: How much would DC support and/or contribute to get any of these projects to move forward? Being a friend of Georgetown is not always a winning campaign slogan in the wards.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 21, 2011 15:57:00 GMT -5
I don't think MSF is too small they play at least one game there a year. I don't think it's ideal as real grass is better than turf, but I think they could easily play their games on MSF if need be. It would just provide more of a schedule crunch for all the teams practicing there.
I know Walter Reed is currently being located to Navy Med in Bethesda. What's Happening to that land? Since it was a hospital it would seemingly be less expensive to move a hospital to that site.
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Post by fsohoya on Sept 21, 2011 21:01:47 GMT -5
Critical question: Would there be anywhere to put an arena on a NE campus?
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Post by hoyatables on Sept 21, 2011 21:28:00 GMT -5
Walter Reed: part going to the Feds, the rest to the District of Columbia. It's been in the news quite a bit.
Moving the Hospital. You are probably moving not just the Medical School but the whole academic Medical Center. maybe Nursing, too? Frees up a lot of land. I've always been fond of Hill East and the old hospital site there. Nice and close to DC Armory, too. And we all know how muc Georgetown likes to deal with historic row house neighborhoods. Capitol Hill Restoration Society will make CAG seem like a fond memory.
Not a lot of large open parcels in the District. armed Forces Reitrement Home is too close to the Washington Medical Center. poplar Point would be great for the city, but do you really think Georgetown would move across the Anacostia? If only there had been a nice college close to campus that was available for sale.
In concept the idea of a satellite Hospital / Medical Center and school is attractive, And GU made it work with the Law Center. But many financial, legal, and bureaucratic obstacles. Look for it in 2050.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 22, 2011 9:44:11 GMT -5
Walter Reed: part going to the Feds, the rest to the District of Columbia. It's been in the news quite a bit. Moving the Hospital. You are probably moving not just the Medical School but the whole academic Medical Center. maybe Nursing, too? Frees up a lot of land. I've always been fond of Hill East and the old hospital site there. Nice and close to DC Armory, too. And we all know how muc Georgetown likes to deal with historic row house neighborhoods. Capitol Hill Restoration Society will make CAG seem like a fond memory. Not a lot of large open parcels in the District. armed Forces Reitrement Home is too close to the Washington Medical Center. poplar Point would be great for the city, but do you really think Georgetown would move across the Anacostia? If only there had been a nice college close to campus that was available for sale. In concept the idea of a satellite Hospital / Medical Center and school is attractive, And GU made it work with the Law Center. But many financial, legal, and bureaucratic obstacles. Look for it in 2050. Available for sale? AVAILABLE for sale? WE OWNED MOUNT VERNON COLLEGE. It was Georgetown's property and our administration gave it away!! If I remember correctly, the financially doomed Mount Vernon College borrowed significant sums of money from Georgetown in the early 90s, putting its campus up as collateral for the loans. In late 1996/early 1997, instead of foreclosing on the property, Georgetown decided to float them until the end of the academic year so that the current seniors could graduate and then -- because Father Leo and gang didn't see how an all-female college would fit into the University's 'plans' -- transferred its claim to the Mount Vernon Campus to GWU for literally pennies on the dollar. See also: WGTB, sold for a dollar to UDC and promptly resold on the free market to the highest bidder for tens of millions of dollars (and now worth about as much as the Mount Vernon Campus as WCSP).
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 22, 2011 9:52:24 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the financially doomed Mount Vernon College borrowed significant sums of money from Georgetown in the early 90s, putting its campus up as collateral for the loans. In late 1996/early 1997, instead of foreclosing on the property, Georgetown decided to float them until the end of the academic year so that the current seniors could graduate and then -- because Father Leo and gang didn't see how an all-female college would fit into the University's 'plans' -- transferred its claim to the Mount Vernon Campus to GWU for literally pennies on the dollar. See also: WGTB, sold for a dollar to UDC and promptly resold on the free market to the highest bidder for tens of millions of dollars (and now worth about as much as the Mount Vernon Campus as WCSP). Georgetown never transferred Mount Vernon College to GW. It was more appalling than that. As reported elsewhere, MVC was failing and received a loan (variously reported from $4.5-$6.5 million) from Georgetown to keep it afloat. O'Donovan chose not to restrict the note, figuring this was a sign of bad faith in a fellow college's ability to meet its obligations. Joel Trachtenberg at GW heard about this, promptly loaned MVC the money to pay off the amount, and promised a partnership with the school. MVC paid off Georgetown. Then GW foreclosed on MVC and closed the 25 acre school. WGTB was not sold immediately. It was held by UDC for many years and eventually sold for $25 million to C-SPAN. MVC is much more valuable than the radio station ever was. It should be noted that by the mid-1970's, WGTB had almost no student participation and was run by a group of Vietnam-era left-wingers with little or no interest in Georgetown programming--they famously dropped basketball broadcasts because they said sports appealed to the "bourgeoisie". (Georgetown, without a station nor announcers, added Rich Chvotkin and began over the air broadcasts on WOOK-AM.) I think Tim Healy was tired of the complaints and the FCC fines and simply wanted to get rid of it. www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/16638/radio-free-georgetown
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Post by hoyatables on Sept 22, 2011 11:09:45 GMT -5
I think DFW has the right version, yes. I was mixing my missed opportunities. The land that became the Cloisters as well as the land that became Hillandale was available for sale in the recent past, but Georgetown passed on both.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Sept 22, 2011 13:15:42 GMT -5
this is just too depressing to read
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Post by kchoya on Sept 22, 2011 13:30:11 GMT -5
Passing on MVC sure seems like the worst administrative decision made by GU.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 22, 2011 14:55:15 GMT -5
Passing on MVC sure seems like the worst administrative decision made by GU. Actually, not selling the GUMC in the late 1970s when the move was first suggested to the administration and instead letting it hang like an albatross around our necks for two decades has probably done much more long-term damage to the university's future. Losing MVC is only a disaster in terms of an amazing opportunity squandered; the Medical Center debacle literally bled hundreds of millions from the University's operating budget for years (over $80 million dollar loss in 1999 alone) before we were able to beg Medstar to take it from us.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 22, 2011 15:17:52 GMT -5
Actually, not selling the GUMC in the late 1970s when the move was first suggested to the administration and instead letting it hang like an albatross around our necks for two decades has probably done much more long-term damage to the university's future. Losing MVC is only a disaster in terms of an amazing opportunity squandered; the Medical Center debacle literally bled hundreds of millions from the University's operating budget for years (over $80 million dollar loss in 1999 alone) before we were able to beg Medstar to take it from us. Yes and no. The hospital losses were severe (cumulative deficits probably exceeded $300 million). Tim Healy did argue to sell the hospital in the 1980's, but the school stalled on it. The excessive debt load Georgetown now maintains (and the two credit downgrades it faced in the 2000's) are a direct result of holding to the hospital too long. But here's the flip side--Georgetown is a national university (Tier I Carnegie) only because of medical research. Take out the research component and Georgetown doesn't qualify as a Tier I university. The medical center maintains Georgetown's Top 25 status and not be otherwise reclassififed as a regional university such as Villanova and Providence.
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Post by thebin on Sept 23, 2011 13:31:37 GMT -5
Wait...MVC is in Foxhall? You mean like walking distance to center of main campus? I thought it was waaayy up Wisconsin just before maryland. I just threw up in my mouth.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 23, 2011 17:05:54 GMT -5
Wait...MVC is in Foxhall? You mean like walking distance to center of main campus? I thought it was waaayy up Wisconsin just before maryland. I just threw up in my mouth. Umm, yeah. In fact, if you look on Google maps, you'll see lots of space where some nice GU athletic venues could have been located. Like where the George Washington University Softball Field is located.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Sept 24, 2011 11:38:38 GMT -5
Wow. I always had the same assumption that thebin did. That is just terrible.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 24, 2011 13:05:10 GMT -5
Going back to the original topic of the thread: Ken Archer's proposals - and I swear I don't mean this as an insult - typically read as if they are afflicted with Asperger's. He focuses in on certain technical details that he thinks hold the key to solving some problem, but completely misses the social, political, and community ramifications. It's not like he doesn't know they exist, but he seems unable to decode or understand them. I remember him plaintively wondering who Jack Evans was listening to on the question of Performance Parking in Georgetown. It makes perfect sense to Ken, and the couple of people he talked to seemed to be supportive, so clearly the Councilmember should be all for it, right? Right?
For the amount of political capital it would take to get something like this built (I should note that I'm not at all opposed to it, just don't see it happening), it would be better to go all-in on building a separated Blue Line.
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 26, 2011 9:10:58 GMT -5
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