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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Sept 1, 2011 9:04:43 GMT -5
Ten to 12 wins in the Big East is all but unrealistic for this team given the amount of points per game it lost last year and the fact that outside its starting five, none have any substantive experience at the Big East level. Remember, this is a team which lost nearly 60% of its returning scoring, and the operative question is who makes up the difference. Entering the pre-season, is Georgetown at the talent level of Pitt, Louisville, UConn, or Syracuse? No. West Virginia and Cincinnati? No. Marquette and Villanova? Probably not. So, Georgetown is in a third quartile with an all-new St. John's team, the always underrated Notre Dame teams, and a mercurial USF team, all hoping to avoid making a case for the NCAA's as a 9th or 10th seed at MSG and trying not to stumble in games against the fourth quartile of Seton Hall, Rutgers, DePaul, and Providence. Yes, Georgetown could beat West Virginia, one on one. It could lose at DePaul, too. This season will take time and it will take its lumps, too. Finally, Austin Freeman saved the 2010-11 season--not in February, but by outstanding efforts in January against Rutgers (25 points), Seton Hall (28), and Villanova (31) when it allowed Georgetown to dig out of a 1-4 hole in the Big East. If he didn't come through against the Hall and Villanova in particular, the Hoyas are staring at 2-6 heading into February. Completely agree here. 16-13, 9-9 would be awesome with this team. Our offense will be fine, but let's keep in mind that's all it was last year...fine. It wasn't great, spectacular, or incredible. It was fine. Our defense was not fine and I have a hard time believing it doesn't slip even further this season given our youth and continued lack of size. So what do you have? You have a team that looks a little like 2005. Now that season wasn't bad, and was a stepping stone to a great season and an even greater season. So the most important part of this year is development and the growth of Tyler Adams (assuming he's healthy). Lubick could be our next point forward but Adams has to give us a real paint presence going forward. There's nobody else on this team who will and nobody even in the pipeline it's looking like. So I expect a middling year but a very important one if we want to get back to winning post-season games.
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Post by KennaHoya on Sept 1, 2011 9:36:10 GMT -5
I have no problems buying into reducing expectations for this year's team given the youth and relative inexperience of the team. Playing teams in Maui like Kansas, UCLA or Duke and then Alabama on the road would be tough in any year given the travel, probablility of the crowd support going the other way, and level of competition. With a young team, it is even more difficult. And the Big East season is always a gauntlet.
But I do have some optimism. We are clearly going to have more size than last year. Mikael Hopkins and Otto Porter are clearly going to get time, and Jabril is a bigger, stronger guard who will also get time. I think Aaron Bowen and Greg Whittington also can and will play - so we will be deeper and taller than last year. Patience with Tyler is going to be necessary because his ankle sprain was sufficiently serious that he will have to get into shape, learn the offense and defense, and get used to higher levels of competition all at the same time - a tough ask. But he should be good for at least short stretches of rebounding and inside play.
The real question I have is how much time will these guys get given that Jason Clark and Hollis Thompson have earned and can be relied upon for solid efforts, it is about time Henry got the opportunity to show what he can do, and I think Markel and Nate have done nothing to suggest that they should not get time. My impression from China is that we will be best throwing 10-11 guys out there, running a bit more, and playing the hot hand or looking for mismatches. That will be a big change from last year, and we will see if JT III thinks that suits us best.
I know it is difficult to rely for all your depth on six guys who basically have never played college basketball before, especially when that depth may be needed because we do not have 3-5 veteran 35-minute a game returning starters, but having seen these ten guys play together, it is a little hard for me to temper my expectations. Given their size and athleticism, the potential for better defense and rebounding is clearly there. And defenses will not be able to know exactly who has to score for us, or how. I think this group will be an upper echelon Big East team - I am just not sure when.
So 2 games as underdogs in Maui, and tough games against Alabama and Memphis, could lead to four losses before the Big East season - I will hope for better. And I believe we will finish better than .500 in the Big East.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 1, 2011 9:37:25 GMT -5
The Big East schedule is very manageable as is the schedule on the whole. We only have one Saturday Monday turn around. No stretches of 3 hard games in a row. We only have to play the top 4 teams once each.
Minimum: 16-13 Maximum: 23-6 Predicted: 20-9
11/12: Savannah State - W 11/14: UNC - Greensboro - W 11/21-23: Maui Classic 2-1 in Maui in some combination 11/28: IUPUI - W 12/1: Alabama - L 12/3: NJIT - W 12/10: Howard - W 12/17: American - W 12/22: Memphis - W
12/28: at Louisville - L 12/31: PROVIDENCE - W 01/04: MARQUETTE - W 01/07: at W. Virginia - L 01/09: CINCINNATI - L 01/15: at St. John's - W 01/17: at DePaul - W 01/21: RUTGERS - W 01/28: at Pitt - L 02/01: CONNECTICUT - L 02/04: S. FLORIDA - W 02/08: at Syracuse - L 02/12: ST. JOHN'S - W 02/18: at Providence - W 02/21: at Seton Hall - W 02/25: VILLANOVA - W 02/27: NOTRE DAME - W 03/03: at Marquette - L
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Post by williambraskyiii on Sept 1, 2011 9:48:28 GMT -5
Ten to 12 wins in the Big East is all but unrealistic for this team given the amount of points per game it lost last year and the fact that outside its starting five, none have any substantive experience at the Big East level. Former AD Lang, please stop using DFW's hoyatalk account and sign up for your own. Thanks.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Sept 1, 2011 10:37:18 GMT -5
For the debbie downers:
We have more height than last year.
More athleticism than last year.
Much, much more length than last year.
More depth than last year.
Do we have more experience? No.
Do we have Chris and Austin? No.
Will Jason and Hollis be in the ballpark of what Chris and Austin gave me? If not as much, I suspect we'll be in the ballpark.
I think we have a chance to do some things this year.
What say you?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 1, 2011 10:43:35 GMT -5
There is always a chance. You gotta believe.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Sept 1, 2011 10:55:23 GMT -5
But I don't think this is a shot in the dark here, or a hail mary pass. I think we've legitimately upgraded in a number of areas from last year.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Sept 1, 2011 10:57:58 GMT -5
I just don't know where we get off predicting 12 Big East wins. Since Roy left we're 27-27 and have not won more than 10 games in any season. Where are we coming with this 12-win number? From 4 years ago when we had starting NBA center in the middle?
Give this team a break. It's very young and now it has the expectation to outperform every team the last three years? We've really "upgraded" that much? We'll see.
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Post by kghoya on Sept 1, 2011 11:44:29 GMT -5
We're going to beat Kansas and UCLA but lose to IUPUI and American? Bzz, bzz, bzz, zapp, kaboom, does not compute. Yeah that is a crazy prediction. It would be like beating Duke and Villanova only to lose to Rutgers and Ohio all in the same season.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Sept 1, 2011 11:49:00 GMT -5
yes, we've really upgraded in every category I listed above.
It's a different structured team than it has been in the past, with Jason being the only real holdover along with Henry.
There are going to be times when we have a lineup of Markel, Hollis, Otto, Greg/Nate/Markel, and Henry. We have never had that kind of length and athleticism before with a 6-8 shooter playing the two and two 6-9 athletes on the wing with a 6-11 shotblocker in the middle.
If people want to preach experience, I say hogwash. We're Georgetown. We should have the expectation to win every game. I know the players aren't sitting around saying "you know what? We're really inexperienced. I think we should shoot for 16-13"
No. Jason and Hollis are saying "This is our final shot (Hollis' potentially), we need to do this"
Jabril is doing and saying what Jabril does and says. He didn't lay down for Nolan Smith in the Kenner, and he won't lay down for UConn or Syracuse.
This team is longer, more athletic and bigger than any team we've had since 06-07. It lacks a Roy in the middle, but it makes up for it with a much more athletic and bigger backcourt.
We should expect to win. Every year. Youth is not an excuse. We are Georgetown
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Post by Boz on Sept 1, 2011 11:51:03 GMT -5
Win at Syracuse, lose to Villanova at home? Jeez, if this is how our year actually goes—which is by all means possible—we're going to have some serious mental breakdowns on this board. As opposed to any season since the board's inception when we haven't had those?
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 1, 2011 12:03:19 GMT -5
yes, we've really upgraded in every category I listed above. It's a different structured team than it has been in the past, with Jason being the only real holdover along with Henry. There are going to be times when we have a lineup of Markel, Hollis, Otto, Greg/Nate/Markel, and Henry. We have never had that kind of length and athleticism before with a 6-8 shooter playing the two and two 6-9 athletes on the wing with a 6-11 shotblocker in the middle. If people want to preach experience, I say hogwash. We're Georgetown. We should have the expectation to win every game. I know the players aren't sitting around saying "you know what? We're really inexperienced. I think we should shoot for 16-13" No. Jason and Hollis are saying "This is our final shot (Hollis' potentially), we need to do this" Jabril is doing and saying what Jabril does and says. He didn't lay down for Nolan Smith in the Kenner, and he won't lay down for UConn or Syracuse. This team is longer, more athletic and bigger than any team we've had since 06-07. It lacks a Roy in the middle, but it makes up for it with a much more athletic and bigger backcourt. We should expect to win. Every year. Youth is not an excuse. We are Georgetown Like I said in another thread Daytona.... love your posts! ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 1, 2011 12:10:21 GMT -5
daytona VERY VERY VERY GOOD POINTS yup you got some good and accurate stuff up there go hoyas let the games begin YEAH ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 1, 2011 12:11:39 GMT -5
yes, we've really upgraded in every category I listed above. It's a different structured team than it has been in the past, with Jason being the only real holdover along with Henry. There are going to be times when we have a lineup of Markel, Hollis, Otto, Greg/Nate/Markel, and Henry. We have never had that kind of length and athleticism before with a 6-8 shooter playing the two and two 6-9 athletes on the wing with a 6-11 shotblocker in the middle. If people want to preach experience, I say hogwash. We're Georgetown. We should have the expectation to win every game. I know the players aren't sitting around saying "you know what? We're really inexperienced. I think we should shoot for 16-13" No. Jason and Hollis are saying "This is our final shot (Hollis' potentially), we need to do this" Jabril is doing and saying what Jabril does and says. He didn't lay down for Nolan Smith in the Kenner, and he won't lay down for UConn or Syracuse. This team is longer, more athletic and bigger than any team we've had since 06-07. It lacks a Roy in the middle, but it makes up for it with a much more athletic and bigger backcourt. We should expect to win. Every year. Youth is not an excuse. We are Georgetown Like I said in another thread Daytona.... love your posts! ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) Agreed. This post has me fired up!! Hope KA reads this!! ;D
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 1, 2011 12:12:18 GMT -5
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Post by bigelephant on Sept 1, 2011 18:10:15 GMT -5
Ever the optimist, I'd say 20-9 regular. I expect bigger things from Nate and Sims this year.
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 1, 2011 18:19:35 GMT -5
I know the SEC isn't the Big East, but Kentucky has won the back to back conference titles, made the Elite 8 and the Final Four. Experience is great in NCAA basketball, but talent is better. I'm not saying we're going to have UK like success in the Big East, but talent can take you a long ways.
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 1, 2011 21:52:15 GMT -5
I know the SEC isn't the Big East, but Kentucky has won the back to back conference titles, made the Elite 8 and the Final Four. Experience is great in NCAA basketball, but talent is better. I'm not saying we're going to have UK like success in the Big East, but talent can take you a long ways. I like that Tbird. Good point! ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by tashoya on Sept 1, 2011 21:59:50 GMT -5
Pain. Just unsure for whom right now. This is a rare year when I care less about record and more about seeing progress on the court. I really like this group of guys and I hope that, whatever the record, the guys come together and impress themselves with what they accomplish. Feels like we have a lot of potential and I love that.
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 2, 2011 14:37:25 GMT -5
GOOD POINT TAS and also in kenner and in china those youngins with long arms in the passing lanes did practice some pressing that worked WE WILL SEE when nov comes but THAT was kinda interesting the frosh played almost more pressing d than ANY TEAM in the kenner even rodneys yup we will see yup GO HOYAS ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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