TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 29, 2011 15:30:02 GMT -5
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Post by gtowndynasty on Aug 29, 2011 15:47:47 GMT -5
Interesting. I cannot interpret what this actually means, but nice to see I guess. THere was another statistical study that rated player efficiency and analyzed it with that player's usage rate to try and determine what players were poised to breakout this college season and Hollis was on it. Hope it all comes to fruition..
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 29, 2011 16:41:09 GMT -5
And I have a system based on a top hat, little pieces of paper and a dart board.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 29, 2011 17:27:29 GMT -5
What's interesting is that in one of Tyler Adams' videos from the China trip, he asked Hollis Thompson what year he was and he said "junior/senior." This is likely because he started a semester early, but one wonders if he's planning to graduate in 3 years.
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Post by kghoya on Aug 29, 2011 17:38:38 GMT -5
I think there is a great chance that Hollis will leave after this season but I don't think he will find himself in the NBA.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Aug 29, 2011 18:47:52 GMT -5
Hollis is bright, ahead on credits, and is expected to graduate in 2012. I really don't see him doing graduate work during his fourth-year of eligibility. I think that he's an NBA-calibre player, but that doesn't mean he'll make it. Otherwise, I would expect him to play professionally elsewhere.
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Post by skyhoya on Aug 29, 2011 19:03:35 GMT -5
The first round is only 30 players, some of which are international. It's up to III, if he showcases Hollywood's skill set, he could go in the first round, like Jeff. I'm not saying he's another Jeff, just making a point. Our two hamburgers this year are playing overseas, not drafted. If he plays Hollis are the 3 or 2, he will be better NBA stock, than his expeeriment at the four last year.
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Post by Dhall on Aug 30, 2011 9:10:42 GMT -5
The first round is only 30 players, some of which are international. It's up to III, if he showcases Hollywood's skill set, he could go in the first round, like Jeff. I'm not saying he's another Jeff, just making a point. Our two hamburgers this year are playing overseas, not drafted. If he plays Hollis are the 3 or 2, he will be better NBA stock, than his expeeriment at the four last year. Hollis didn't play the 4 last year - did he ever post up? was he in the paint much? was his back ever to the basket? He did guard opponents' power forwards sometimes, but that was the tradeoff for having him on the court at the same time as the three other guards who were better than him. It did hurt him because he picked up a few extra fouls. On the other hand, in many ways it's easier to guard a big power forward than a quick small forward. I like Hollis as a rising junior who has a chance this year to get more playing time and really improve, but I'm not sure I'd even rank him as the 53rd best player returning. I hope he has a great year and then comes back for his 4th year with a chance to then be All-Big East. That's the best case realistic scenario.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Aug 30, 2011 10:37:07 GMT -5
Echo DHall,
For all of the critics complaining that Hollis played the four last season, it was the only way to get him into the starting lineup. If I were Hollis, I would've taken that in a heartbeat, because it meant I was playing and not sitting
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Aug 30, 2011 10:58:42 GMT -5
Time to show and prove this year.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 30, 2011 11:07:28 GMT -5
The first round is only 30 players, some of which are international. It's up to III, if he showcases Hollywood's skill set, he could go in the first round, like Jeff. I'm not saying he's another Jeff, just making a point. Our two hamburgers this year are playing overseas, not drafted. If he plays Hollis are the 3 or 2, he will be better NBA stock, than his expeeriment at the four last year. He played some 4, but what did you see when he was at the 3 that made you think he can be a first rounder? It's up to Hollis to make the jump as a player to reach the draft, nevermind the first round. He needs to be more aggressive and less tentative for 28+ mins, not disappear in games, be smarter with fouls, not step on the 3-line, be a leader, handle the ball better, rebound consistently, double his ppg, etc..., then he can think of the NBA first round. All of those to-do's have nothing to do with playing or not playing the 4. It's about attitude. Some here prefer to remember the last game and not the rest of the player's career.
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Post by NTAMM on Sept 1, 2011 11:28:25 GMT -5
When Hollis was playing on the perimeter (as a swing man), there was a good deal in his game that suggested he could have major impact at the college level. He had a text book stroke on his jumpshot. When he attacked the basket, he could (and did) finish at the rim – with attitude. He was good defensively.
When Chris Wright was injured at the end of the season, it was fairly clear that the Hoyas had only two players who had the ability to score consistently: Austin Freeman and Hollis Thompson. Freeman tried to create offense and carry the team. But, opposing defenses were stacked against him. The situation with Hollis was different. He did not take advantage of mismatches (when playing on the perimeter). He never posted up. He seldom looked to force the action when he had mismatches against shorter perimeter players. He generally played within the flow of the offense – in which he was no better than the third option. This was a problem with the offense. Hollis had to score 20-28 points a game for the Hoyas to win. Outside of Freeman, only Hollis had any semblance of an offensive game. For the Hoyas to win, they had to run their offense through Hollis. They didn’t.
When Wright was healthy, the offense ran through Freeman and Wright, with Clark being the third option. The offense seldom ran plays for Hollis. The offense was not predicated on Hollis being aggressive and looking to score. When Wright went down, the offense remained largely the same. It did not run plays for Hollis. Hollis did not look to take charge. When a player has been brought in to be a complementary player and play within the flow of the offense, he/she should not be expected to turn on the switch and be the team leader. Hollis simply had not been practicing to do so.
It was not surprising that Hollis impressed at the pre-NBA Draft camps. Offensively, he possesses NBA-level talent. It is surprising that Hollis’ attitude is questioned. Much of his time on the court has been playing the power forward position. His best position is at the two-guard position. Yet, he played the four position over Henry Sims, Moses, Jerrelle, and early in his sophomore season over Nate. As a freshman he sometimes played more minutes at power forward than Julian Vaughn.
Go back and review some of his games, like those against West Virginia. A relatively shorter, skinny Hollis Thompson playing power forward had to simultaneously battle on the boards both Devin Eubanks and Kevin Jones – without any help. Both Eubanks and Jones were taller, bigger, stronger, much more physically mature than Hollis. Hollis was physically overmatched. But, Hollis battled. His body language was that he would never give up – even when overmatched.
There are aspects of Hollis’ game that must be improved if he plans to have an NBA future. But, fundamentally, the offense has not been run to take advantage of Hollis’ skillset.
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Post by idhoya on Sept 1, 2011 11:47:16 GMT -5
has to tighten the handle and dribble drive more.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 1, 2011 12:58:45 GMT -5
has to tighten the handle and dribble drive more. This plus up the defense and he's good.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 1, 2011 15:06:58 GMT -5
Great points NTAMM. The games where we did see Hollis as one of the top options we typically looked great as a team. Where teams could take away CW and AF's strengths, Hollis is a more versatile player and can make defenses pay in more ways. Hopefully Hollis will be able to create more this year rather then just being a cog in the offense. He won't be initiating but he will probably get the ball 2nd or 3rd on most plays and needs to make something good happen.
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Post by idhoya on Sept 1, 2011 15:28:48 GMT -5
He has to impose his will more. Lead
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 1, 2011 16:58:27 GMT -5
has to tighten the handle and dribble drive more. True but I hate it when folks claim that shooting guards must have very good dribbling ability to be successful. Guys like Reggie Miller and Alan Houston played the two and I can barely recall them driving to the hole in the NBA.
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 1, 2011 17:17:07 GMT -5
All of the above.
I do agree that Hollis needs to tighten his handle. He needs that handle to get places on the court...without that, he's forced to be more of a spot up shooter.
MCI - Miller had range out to 30' and a quicker first step than most would expect of him. He was crafty and you couldn't cheat on defense even for a second. Houston had range to 25' and was a more gifted athlete and stronger than Hollis. While I get where you are going with this...Hollis is a different than the guys you mentioned and he needs to get a better handle so that he can be more of a threat out on the court.
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Post by idhoya on Sept 1, 2011 19:17:02 GMT -5
right.
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Post by skyhoya on Sept 1, 2011 19:47:19 GMT -5
Hollis was the fourth option last year and there was just not many plays set up for him. III has confidence in him. in the OHIO beat down, Hollywood as a freshman, was given the green light to make his own plays and shoot from anywhere. Why, because the rest of the team couldn't play outside the system.
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