theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 19, 2011 10:26:30 GMT -5
Glad to see III getting lots of positive local press as a coach and leader. Coach gets a lot of criticism on this board for not being emotional enough or being too thoughtful or laid back. Well, that was exactly what was needed in this situation. JT3 came through big-time getting his players out of harm's way as quickly as possible without further incident or injury and then issuing a statement almost immediately that took the high road and completely diffused a potentially flammable diplomatic situation. Great representative of our University. Thanks coach. It'd be nice if people factored this into the equation next time the team loses a tournament game and any semblance of big picture thinking goes out the window. Also, I cannot imagine what the media reaction would be if situations were reversed and Fort Hood was the host. Can you imagine the media reaction to a situation in which multiple Fort Hood players and fans were stomping on Chinese students, triple team beating them, and the Chinese team left the court to a hail of water bottles? It certainly wouldn't be headlines of "Chinese student team involved in a brawl". A few things. 1. West Point and Annapolis aren't really synonymous with Bayi. The Rockets are designed as a PR arm of the PLA. Whereas Annapolis' shooting guard will be deployed on an aircraft carrier in a few years, it's not expected that Bayi's players are going to pull guard duty in Inner Mongolia. The Army does have an elite athlete program, which is much smaller - it's primarily designed for Olympic sports. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Army_WCAP_(World_Class_Athlete_Program) for more. 2. Bayi plays at a non-PLA facility. Rather than playing at Fort Hood, it would be like if the game was played at the Toyota Center in Houston. It would still be bad, but not as bad as if it was on an Army facility. |
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miamihoya
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Post by miamihoya on Aug 19, 2011 10:39:58 GMT -5
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Post by PushyGuyFanClub on Aug 19, 2011 11:03:01 GMT -5
They'll probably love you in HK and want to talk, but maybe take it off if you cross the border.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 19, 2011 11:17:15 GMT -5
From the NY Times article:
"One of the few newspapers to cover the fight, the Beijing News, blamed the referee for poorly officiating the game and security guards for inaction during the fisticuffs. The paper, however, suggested that Hoya coach John Thompson III had a hand in the mayhem, and Georgetown is known for its aggressive defensive tactics."
Well, you know, perhaps JT, Jr., but is there a coach less likely to have had a hand in the mayhem than JTIII?
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 19, 2011 11:21:32 GMT -5
The story made NPR this morning. The report was neutral at first, but Gene Wang provided some more details, which indicated PLA as the aggressor.
Now with "our bonding" taken care of, watch out Big East. I guess the game yesterday (or the day before depending on where you are) prepares us for the worst refs in the BE.
It seems as if from the NY Times article that we are going ahead and will play PLA again:
By Friday afternoon, many of the players seemed to agree. After flying to Shanghai — the teams will faceoff again there on Sunday — members of the Hoyas and the Rockets shared the lobby of the Portman Ritz Carlton without any palpable tension. Asked about the incident, one Georgetown player shrugged off the contretemps. “Man, it’s just a game,” he said.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Aug 19, 2011 11:23:31 GMT -5
Oh, if only we were still known for our aggressive defensive tactics.
Or, you know, just defense in general. ;D
But maybe we're on our way back there. Hope springs eternal.
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TC
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Post by TC on Aug 19, 2011 11:25:09 GMT -5
It's been announced that the next game is against the Liaoning Dinosaurs, who according to Wikipedia, have three Americans on their team.
Diplomacy and handshaking aside, I can't imagine the coaching staff or anyone higher up greenlighting another game against Bayi.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Aug 19, 2011 11:54:36 GMT -5
Just heard from a reporter on ESPN980 that the fouls were not being called in Bayi, but most on Gtown. But we know this. But he said that the players were saying "Where's your Patrick Ewing now?" Just taunting to the point that a GU player finally shoved someone after a foul. This shove was the impetus for the Bayi team to clear the benches and fight. Geez...
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Post by williambraskyiii on Aug 19, 2011 12:00:35 GMT -5
From the NY Times article: "One of the few newspapers to cover the fight, the Beijing News, blamed the referee for poorly officiating the game and security guards for inaction during the fisticuffs. The paper, however, suggested that Hoya coach John Thompson III had a hand in the mayhem, and Georgetown is known for its aggressive defensive tactics." Well, you know, perhaps JT, Jr., but is there a coach less likely to have had a hand in the mayhem than JTIII? Pete Carril? |
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guru
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Post by guru on Aug 19, 2011 12:09:11 GMT -5
OK, the tweets from our former players yesterday have pretty much cemented one alum participant as one of my least favorite Hoyas ever.
This guy barely showed a pulse for 75% of the time he was on the floor for the Hoyas, but he's tweeting that he would have been a superhero had he been in this brawl. Guy has serious Twitter muscles. Telling you - addition by subtraction.
I'll take the team that's in China right now against last year's squad seven days of the week. In 3 minutes yesterday they showed as much heart as the past 3 Gtown teams combined. Can't wait for the new era to officially begin.
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guru
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Post by guru on Aug 19, 2011 12:11:22 GMT -5
Just heard from a reporter on ESPN980 that the fouls were not being called in Bayi, but most on Gtown. But we know this. But he said that the players were saying "Where's your Patrick Ewing now?" Just taunting to the point that a GU player finally shoved someone after a foul. This shove was the impetus for the Bayi team to clear the benches and fight. Geez... Heard that segment too - it was a total joke. The Terp who runs the noontime show clearly isn't taking the incident too seriously. That "call-in" from the international reporter was their producer, affecting a terrible German accent and just making s--t up. Can guarantee had UMCP been involved, it wouldn't be treated with such levity by the station. I mean, I can appreciate an attempt at humor - as long as it's even a tiny bit funny. |
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Aug 19, 2011 12:14:51 GMT -5
OK, the tweets from our former players yesterday have pretty much cemented one alum participant as one of my least favorite Hoyas ever. This guy barely showed a pulse for 75% of the time he was on the floor for the Hoyas, but he's tweeting that he would have been a superhero had he been in this brawl. Guy has serious Twitter muscles. Telling you - addition by subtraction. I'll take the team that's in China right now against last year's squad seven days of the week. In 3 minutes yesterday they showed as much heart as the past 3 Gtown teams combined. Can't wait for the new era to officially begin. Who are you referring to? Jerrelle? What did this former player say? |
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guru
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Post by guru on Aug 19, 2011 12:22:26 GMT -5
OK, the tweets from our former players yesterday have pretty much cemented one alum participant as one of my least favorite Hoyas ever. This guy barely showed a pulse for 75% of the time he was on the floor for the Hoyas, but he's tweeting that he would have been a superhero had he been in this brawl. Guy has serious Twitter muscles. Telling you - addition by subtraction. I'll take the team that's in China right now against last year's squad seven days of the week. In 3 minutes yesterday they showed as much heart as the past 3 Gtown teams combined. Can't wait for the new era to officially begin. Who are you referring to? Jerrelle? What did this former player say? Honestly don't feel like naming names, but here's a link to a roundup of former Hoyas reactions. Draw your own conclusions: www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/georgetown-brawl-in-china-former-players-react/2011/08/19/gIQAXzpmPJ_blog.html |
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TC
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Post by TC on Aug 19, 2011 12:22:57 GMT -5
Pretty sure he's talking about Austin Freeman. Just read his stream.
Chris Wright on the other hand has the heart of a lion and the words of a diplomat. Underrated tweets.
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Post by hoyas4life on Aug 19, 2011 12:30:21 GMT -5
can't believe no one has mentioned the size of the guy's legs who is about to stomp on jason. some serious hgh or roids going on there
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Aug 19, 2011 12:43:38 GMT -5
OK, the tweets from our former players yesterday have pretty much cemented one alum participant as one of my least favorite Hoyas ever. This guy barely showed a pulse for 75% of the time he was on the floor for the Hoyas, but he's tweeting that he would have been a superhero had he been in this brawl. Guy has serious Twitter muscles. Telling you - addition by subtraction. I'll take the team that's in China right now against last year's squad seven days of the week. In 3 minutes yesterday they showed as much heart as the past 3 Gtown teams combined. Can't wait for the new era to officially begin. I don't understand the need to bash former players who gave their heart and soul to the program for 4 years and were great representatives of the university during their time as students. I love how some of you geniuses are able to draw conclusions like this based on a player's demeanor on the court. In your opinion someone like Tim Duncan must also be a worthless bum with no heart. I love players that are emotional and wear their hearts on their sleeves, but I also understand that people have different personalities and just because they don't show it so explicitly doesn't mean they don't care or have heart. I'm just as excited about this team and the attitude they seem to be showing as anyone, but I'm not about to throw a truly great Hoya under the bus. |
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 19, 2011 12:53:26 GMT -5
While I was impressed with the statement JT3 issued, on reflection I am even more impressed. Remember, this guy's dad is JT2!
I guess those years at Princeton AND living in the District and maybe even some exposure to the School of Foreign Service, the President and so forth... has also had a strong influence on him. Whether or not the State Dept folks reviewed his statement pre-issue, the words credited to JT3 were a diplomatic masterpiece.
One more reason to be proud that JT3 is our coach!
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 19, 2011 12:53:46 GMT -5
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Aug 19, 2011 12:55:20 GMT -5
I could say something really, really culturally insensitive here. But I won't. |
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Post by hifigator on Aug 19, 2011 12:59:49 GMT -5
From the NY Times article: "One of the few newspapers to cover the fight, the Beijing News, blamed the referee for poorly officiating the game and security guards for inaction during the fisticuffs. The paper, however, suggested that Hoya coach John Thompson III had a hand in the mayhem, and Georgetown is known for its aggressive defensive tactics." Well, you know, perhaps JT, Jr., but is there a coach less likely to have had a hand in the mayhem than JTIII? I still haven't seen the footage, so I'm speaking from hearsay to a degree. That being said, it seems pretty unanimous that the refs were to blame to begin with. But as for the security, the only thing that they really should have been involved in would be controlling the crowd. And from the feedback, it sounds as if the unruly crowd did go to far -- throwing stuff at the very least. But ... and again I'm saying this without having seen the actual footage ... but I'm not sure that swifter or more severe actions by the security officers would have directly impacted the players and their fisticuffs -- and I don't think they should. Emotions and the reactions that come from them are an unfortunate side effect of competition. Certainly these reactions are not acceptable, but do we really want local security jumping in when players get up in each others' faces? That sounds like a formula for disaster in and of itself. Do you all think that was what the writer was suggesting or do you think he was solely talking about crowd control? And again, if so, then I'm not sure it really would have "solved" the real problems. |
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