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Post by HometownHoya on Aug 19, 2011 13:03:54 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 19, 2011 13:11:20 GMT -5
Hadn't seen these photos...good find! One think for sure is that Markel was in the thick of it the entire time. If he shows the same sort of fight on the court...it bodes well for the Hoyas. A final note....good to see steroid raged guy in khaki shorts get taken to the ground. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 19, 2011 13:33:42 GMT -5
this version of the fight is infinitely better. ;D
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 19, 2011 13:38:35 GMT -5
Fantastic!!
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 19, 2011 13:41:02 GMT -5
From the NY Times article: "One of the few newspapers to cover the fight, the Beijing News, blamed the referee for poorly officiating the game and security guards for inaction during the fisticuffs. The paper, however, suggested that Hoya coach John Thompson III had a hand in the mayhem, and Georgetown is known for its aggressive defensive tactics." Well, you know, perhaps JT, Jr., but is there a coach less likely to have had a hand in the mayhem than JTIII? I still haven't seen the footage, so I'm speaking from hearsay to a degree. That being said, it seems pretty unanimous that the refs were to blame to begin with. But as for the security, the only thing that they really should have been involved in would be controlling the crowd. And from the feedback, it sounds as if the unruly crowd did go to far -- throwing stuff at the very least. But ... and again I'm saying this without having seen the actual footage ... but I'm not sure that swifter or more severe actions by the security officers would have directly impacted the players and their fisticuffs -- and I don't think they should. Emotions and the reactions that come from them are an unfortunate side effect of competition. Certainly these reactions are not acceptable, but do we really want local security jumping in when players get up in each others' faces? That sounds like a formula for disaster in and of itself. Do you all think that was what the writer was suggesting or do you think he was solely talking about crowd control? And again, if so, then I'm not sure it really would have "solved" the real problems. The above seems to be a longform version of "I didn't see the footage, but I'm going to comment anyway". Yeah, you kind of need to see the footage. This quickly involved spectators. At that level, it's not just on the court - crowd control quickly realizes when something has switched to a more dangerous level. |
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Post by Boz on Aug 19, 2011 13:43:36 GMT -5
Damn #%@^&* pandas!!
I'm going to the zoo this weekend and will incessantly heckle them.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Aug 19, 2011 13:58:00 GMT -5
guess this is about as close to a formal apology as we are going to get from the Chinese. At least there was some effort by them to make amends. Obviously not sure exactly what was said in private sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-china-us-basketballbrawlInteresting add on comment at the end that China won't accept NBA players under contract looking for a home while the lockout continues. |
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Post by mapei on Aug 19, 2011 13:59:31 GMT -5
God that video is funny! Full props to whoever made it. I wouldn't come down hard on Austin for playfully woofing in those tweets - it's really not a big deal. As someone else said, people express themselves in different ways. Chris, OTOH, was fantastic - loved them. Just the way I want our alums to represent. Roy's was good, too. BTW, for those of you crazy enough to actually plant a flag at the Chinese Embassy, do bear in mind that it is now at the corner of Van Ness St NW & International Drive (about 3 blocks from my house). Wouldn't want you to show up at the wrong place.  |
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Post by prhoya on Aug 19, 2011 14:07:00 GMT -5
A final note....good to see steroid raged guy in khaki shorts get taken to the ground. YES!!! How about the whole Chinese bench coming in JC's direction?! They all wanted to get a kick in! Even Social Sims is in the middle of the action!!!!! |
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Post by prhoya on Aug 19, 2011 14:09:29 GMT -5
this version of the fight is infinitely better. ;D LMAO!! You made my day! Cut & pasted and forwarded!!! |
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Post by rosslynhoya on Aug 19, 2011 14:25:12 GMT -5
Damn #%@^&* pandas!! I'm going to the zoo this weekend and will incessantly heckle them. Hey! The ones that are here in our country are as likely to hate the regime back home as much as you or I do. We should continue to welcome them and encourage their peaceful assimilation into the American melting pot. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 19, 2011 14:30:16 GMT -5
That video is great. Anybody know if the commentary was about the game?
Markel looks like a cartoon mouse in that shot #2.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 19, 2011 14:40:57 GMT -5
I could say something really, really culturally insensitive here. But I won't. Thinking the exact same thing. Also, Othella is right in the middle of the action. |
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Post by 757hoyafan on Aug 19, 2011 14:48:05 GMT -5
OK, the tweets from our former players yesterday have pretty much cemented one alum participant as one of my least favorite Hoyas ever. This guy barely showed a pulse for 75% of the time he was on the floor for the Hoyas, but he's tweeting that he would have been a superhero had he been in this brawl. Guy has serious Twitter muscles. Telling you - addition by subtraction. I'll take the team that's in China right now against last year's squad seven days of the week. In 3 minutes yesterday they showed as much heart as the past 3 Gtown teams combined. Can't wait for the new era to officially begin. I don't understand the need to bash former players who gave their heart and soul to the program for 4 years and were great representatives of the university during their time as students. I love how some of you geniuses are able to draw conclusions like this based on a player's demeanor on the court. In your opinion someone like Tim Duncan must also be a worthless bum with no heart. I love players that are emotional and wear their hearts on their sleeves, but I also understand that people have different personalities and just because they don't show it so explicitly doesn't mean they don't care or have heart. I'm just as excited about this team and the attitude they seem to be showing as anyone, but I'm not about to throw a truly great Hoya under the bus. Good stuff, my man.... |
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Post by Eurostar on Aug 19, 2011 14:59:40 GMT -5
this version of the fight is infinitely better. ;D THIS IS THE SINGLE GREATEST THING IVE EVER SEEN. Can we play this on the jumbotron at the Verizon Center? |
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Post by hoyajmw on Aug 19, 2011 15:04:55 GMT -5
JT Jr. (Pops) called into his radio show from another location this afternoon to comment on the Beijing imbroglio. Basic take was "stuff happens" in competition, and it will be a good learning experience all the way around, esp. in light of the face to face meeting that followed with III, Jason, Hollis and the ChiCom folks -- which he said is much more exposure to other perspectives/cultures than you might otherwise get with just a handshake after a game (or a fist to the face -- wait, he didn't say that last part; I did). He said he hopes a few of the ChiComs come over here to continue the diplomacy/learning at some point. Very high road overall with no real news (repeated that everyone was OK physically). He did indicate he'd talked to III, so methinks his position was very much part of the official school line at this point. But that's just my opinion -- I could be wrong (but . . . don't think I am).
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Post by derhoya on Aug 19, 2011 15:08:37 GMT -5
this version of the fight is infinitely better. ;D THIS IS THE SINGLE GREATEST THING IVE EVER SEEN. Can we play this on the jumbotron at the Verizon Center?YESSSS +1,000,000 |
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Post by hifigator on Aug 19, 2011 15:31:53 GMT -5
I still haven't seen the footage, so I'm speaking from hearsay to a degree. That being said, it seems pretty unanimous that the refs were to blame to begin with. But as for the security, the only thing that they really should have been involved in would be controlling the crowd. And from the feedback, it sounds as if the unruly crowd did go to far -- throwing stuff at the very least. But ... and again I'm saying this without having seen the actual footage ... but I'm not sure that swifter or more severe actions by the security officers would have directly impacted the players and their fisticuffs -- and I don't think they should. Emotions and the reactions that come from them are an unfortunate side effect of competition. Certainly these reactions are not acceptable, but do we really want local security jumping in when players get up in each others' faces? That sounds like a formula for disaster in and of itself. Do you all think that was what the writer was suggesting or do you think he was solely talking about crowd control? And again, if so, then I'm not sure it really would have "solved" the real problems. The above seems to be a longform version of "I didn't see the footage, but I'm going to comment anyway". Yeah, you kind of need to see the footage. This quickly involved spectators. At that level, it's not just on the court - crowd control quickly realizes when something has switched to a more dangerous level. Am I to conclude that you disagree? You don't think this whole thing started with atrocious officiating? just curious 'specially since someone else teased me about "blaming the refs." For the record, I hate refs. But that general topic is for another day. |
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Post by guru on Aug 19, 2011 15:35:12 GMT -5
OK, the tweets from our former players yesterday have pretty much cemented one alum participant as one of my least favorite Hoyas ever. This guy barely showed a pulse for 75% of the time he was on the floor for the Hoyas, but he's tweeting that he would have been a superhero had he been in this brawl. Guy has serious Twitter muscles. Telling you - addition by subtraction. I'll take the team that's in China right now against last year's squad seven days of the week. In 3 minutes yesterday they showed as much heart as the past 3 Gtown teams combined. Can't wait for the new era to officially begin. I don't understand the need to bash former players who gave their heart and soul to the program for 4 years and were great representatives of the university during their time as students. I love how some of you geniuses are able to draw conclusions like this based on a player's demeanor on the court. In your opinion someone like Tim Duncan must also be a worthless bum with no heart. I love players that are emotional and wear their hearts on their sleeves, but I also understand that people have different personalities and just because they don't show it so explicitly doesn't mean they don't care or have heart. I'm just as excited about this team and the attitude they seem to be showing as anyone, but I'm not about to throw a truly great Hoya under the bus. Didn't say you had to agree with me, my man. It's just, like, my opinion. To compare him to Tim Duncan is beyond absurd, though. I mean, come on. |
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Post by GUHoya07 on Aug 19, 2011 15:50:14 GMT -5
I don't understand the need to bash former players who gave their heart and soul to the program for 4 years and were great representatives of the university during their time as students. I love how some of you geniuses are able to draw conclusions like this based on a player's demeanor on the court. In your opinion someone like Tim Duncan must also be a worthless bum with no heart. I love players that are emotional and wear their hearts on their sleeves, but I also understand that people have different personalities and just because they don't show it so explicitly doesn't mean they don't care or have heart. I'm just as excited about this team and the attitude they seem to be showing as anyone, but I'm not about to throw a truly great Hoya under the bus. Didn't say you had to agree with me, my man. It's just, like, my opinion. To compare him to Tim Duncan is beyond absurd, though. I mean, come on. If I was comparing his skill level as a basketball player it might be absurd, but I'm not doing that. The fact is, both Tim Duncan and Austin Freeman show very little emotion on the basketball court, but I don't think many people would doubt Duncan's competitive spirit. My only point is, it's nearly impossible to tell how much heart a player has based on their demeanor. Austin was a great player for us, period. I personally think it's unfair to blame him and question his heart. A true fan of the program should support former players rather than posting BS like this on a talkboard. You have the right to an opinion, and I also have the right to stick up for my fellow Hoyas. |
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