TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 14, 2011 21:05:09 GMT -5
Not to start a new form of speculation but many of the teams we compete with including Syracuse last year had way more than 13 scholarship players on their team. Is there any reason an alternate team scholarship couldn't be used say from swimming, baseball etc. to allow more than 13 players on our bball team. From a statistical point having 4 or 5 players each year maturing into upperclassment might significantly increase the odds of having 1 or 2 players each year have a signficant jump each summer. Once you recruit someone as a scholarship player or give them a scholarship for basketball, they count. Period. End of story. Everyone on our team has already gotten a basketball scholarship and all the freshman were recruited as basketball scholarship players. We're over the limit--there's no getting around it
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 14, 2011 21:39:58 GMT -5
I think the board has been wrong about the 13 scholarship limit rules for a while now. A couple years ago Jarvis Vanardo gave up his scholarship so a new player could get a scholarship and Mississippi state could remain below the 13th scholarship limit. So the rule that once recruited you count as a scholarship player forever must be wrong. rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/How-Jarvis-Varnado-became-the-nation-s-best-walk?urn=ncaab-183885So a student you recruited could choose to stay at the school and accept no money from the school and stay on the team. So we technically don't have to have a player transfer.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 14, 2011 21:49:56 GMT -5
I think the board has been wrong about the 13 scholarship limit rules for a while now. A couple years ago Jarvis Vanardo gave up his scholarship so a new player could get a scholarship and Mississippi state could remain below the 13th scholarship limit. So the rule that once recruited you count as a scholarship player forever must be wrong. rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/How-Jarvis-Varnado-became-the-nation-s-best-walk?urn=ncaab-183885So a student you recruited could choose to stay at the school and accept no money from the school and stay on the team. So we technically don't have to have a player transfer. I have no idea what the story is behind that, but there had to be some real special circumstances in Varnado's situation. If not, you'd see those kind of tactics used a lot more.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 14, 2011 21:55:52 GMT -5
I just think the reason you don't see it more is that students aren't able/willing to just pay their own way. So if your parents are loaded and or you're a pro prospect able to borrow against future earnings then it's possible. But you'd still have to be willing to give up your scholarship rather than transfer yourself or let the coach run off a different player.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 14, 2011 22:06:43 GMT -5
I just think the reason you don't see it more is that students aren't able/willing to just pay their own way. So if your parents are loaded and or you're a pro prospect able to borrow against future earnings then it's possible. But you'd still have to be willing to give up your scholarship rather than transfer yourself or let the coach run off a different player. My counter--the $EC.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 14, 2011 22:17:54 GMT -5
I just think the reason you don't see it more is that students aren't able/willing to just pay their own way. So if your parents are loaded and or you're a pro prospect able to borrow against future earnings then it's possible. But you'd still have to be willing to give up your scholarship rather than transfer yourself or let the coach run off a different player. My counter--the $EC. too busy focusing on football?
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Post by bmartin on Apr 14, 2011 22:41:00 GMT -5
I think the board has been wrong about the 13 scholarship limit rules for a while now. A couple years ago Jarvis Vanardo gave up his scholarship so a new player could get a scholarship and Mississippi state could remain below the 13th scholarship limit. So the rule that once recruited you count as a scholarship player forever must be wrong. rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/How-Jarvis-Varnado-became-the-nation-s-best-walk?urn=ncaab-183885So a student you recruited could choose to stay at the school and accept no money from the school and stay on the team. So we technically don't have to have a player transfer. In the Varnado case, he declared for the NBA draft but did not sign with an agent. Stansbury gave away his scholarship to Renardo Sidney. Varnado came back and agreed to pay his way and the NCAA let him count as a walk-on. It was a bad precedent that teams will use as a loophole. Varnado: "Coach told me we had a chance to get Renardo Sidney, a good incoming freshman, and I told him to give him the scholarship because I’m always about the team and winning — and helping out the next guy. I was excited about it. I was just real excited because he was so talented coming out of high school. So since I came back for my senior year, I wanted to make sure we had enough scholarships for everyone."
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 14, 2011 22:47:23 GMT -5
Definitely a loophole, but one that they needed NCAA permission to use. Point being, you can't magically make a scholarship player into a walk on, even if he is prepared to pay his own way.
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Post by bmartin on Apr 14, 2011 22:47:27 GMT -5
Guess who was an assistant coach at Mississippi State when the Varnado walk on happened and was approved by the NCAA?
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 14, 2011 23:18:54 GMT -5
I have it on good authority that wilson has a no transfer contract. On a serious note, I do not believe you can 'borrow' scholarships from other sports to stash a player. No, but there have been notable athletes who played two sports at the same college and only counted as a schollie athlete in one. Donovan McNabb played for the Orange basketball team and did not count. Bo Jackson. Julius Peppers. Tony Gonzalez. Ray Felton.
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Post by DoctorHoya on Apr 14, 2011 23:26:53 GMT -5
I have it on good authority that wilson has a no transfer contract. On a serious note, I do not believe you can 'borrow' scholarships from other sports to stash a player. No, but there have been notable athletes who played two sports at the same college and only counted as a schollie athlete in one. Donovan McNabb played for the Orange basketball team and did not count. Bo Jackson. Julius Peppers. Tony Gonzalez. Ray Felton. Didn't even consider this... too bad our football team isn't scholarship. I am sure that they would greatly appreciate a couple of 6'9" tight ends haha
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Apr 15, 2011 5:52:16 GMT -5
I have it on good authority that wilson has a no transfer contract. On a serious note, I do not believe you can 'borrow' scholarships from other sports to stash a player. Legal counsel has advised me to neither confirm nor deny the existence of said contract or any future career movements on this board pending discussions with DFW and his counsel! Seriously, please refrain from rumor, innuendo with regard to GU men's hoops transfers. We're sure everyone knows board policy by now. PS: If I were to depart, it would be for dismissal for cause/ delinquency/laxity on my part as found by DFW! hahaha cheers....
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Apr 15, 2011 7:58:38 GMT -5
What about redshirts? If we were to red-shirt one of our returning or arrived players, would they be excluded from the scholly count?
Anecdotally, I feel like this is how some schools manage it. Am I totally off-base?
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 15, 2011 9:19:19 GMT -5
What about redshirts? If we were to red-shirt one of our returning or arrived players, would they be excluded from the scholly count? Anecdotally, I feel like this is how some schools manage it. Am I totally off-base? Yes.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 15, 2011 9:41:23 GMT -5
The PacTen schools sometimes give volleyball scholies for BB players for one year.
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Post by hoya73 on Apr 15, 2011 12:15:52 GMT -5
Kurt Kaull, in our hall of fame as a baseball player, was recruited by JT II and, I think, had a basketball scholarship. He was on the 1982 national finalist team as a reserve. Maybe baseball didn't have scholarships at GU in 82?
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