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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 4, 2011 18:22:29 GMT -5
I can't find Sheffey's stats at New Mexico State. I think he went to have a solid career, but I could be wrong. Edwards put up some very strong numbers at Texas A&M. I always viewed Sheffey to more of a solid, steady PG and Edwards to be more of a frenetic PG. I guess I preferred Sheffey's style to Edwards', but based on stats alone, Edwards may well have put up better college numbers.
Did George Butler transfer somewhere, or did he just get kicked off the team his senior year?
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 4, 2011 18:37:40 GMT -5
DIDNT DAVID EDWARDS LIKE LEAD THE country in assists after he left come on dfw help me out here not sure but anyway i love all hoyas past present and future go hoyas its about more than bball folks more than bball.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Apr 4, 2011 18:38:52 GMT -5
Besides Mourning, and Mutombo this was not one of Georgetown's most talented team Besides 2 NBA Hall of Famers, this wasn't one of Georgetown's most talented teams? Churchwell also had a cup of coffee in the NBA. On a night where a team that has Matt Howard as its best player playing in their second consecutive national championship game, tough to call that team untalented. I am surprised that RDF appreciated that Gtown team since (like UCONN against Kentucky) they tried to "limit possessions" against UNLV instead of attacking them.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Apr 4, 2011 18:45:31 GMT -5
I think Shenard Long belongs on the starting team.
Wasn't Sheffey last seen getting busted for doing 98mph with a dimebag in Jack Kent Cooke stadium parking lot?
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 4, 2011 18:56:08 GMT -5
There's Guibunda and Nikita.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 4, 2011 19:32:27 GMT -5
Good call on Shernard, although he played the same positions as Anthony Jones who went on the put up big numbers at UNLV.
And let's not forget Octavius "Tay" Spann...
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Post by sleepy on Apr 4, 2011 19:56:04 GMT -5
David Edwards never really wanted to leave. He was essentially asked to leave due to constant interference by his father.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 4, 2011 20:04:29 GMT -5
I read some articles today from back in 1992 claiming that Edwards clashed with JT Jr. directly.
Whatever the reason, Edwards would have been a nice bridge to Iverson's arrival in 1994-95 had he stayed through the 1992-93 season.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 4, 2011 20:37:05 GMT -5
The press never new what was really going on inside the Hoya Lockeroom. The dad who was quite a player himself was the problem.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 4, 2011 20:50:02 GMT -5
Some random points to the posts above:
1. Another name to add to the "wanted to go to Georgetown" list: Flint Hill Prep's Dennis Scott. A versatile college player, Scott gets forgotten amidst an up and down NBA career but was a great colelge player.
2. As said before, Larry Johnson probably wasn't coming to Georgetown over his SAT's, but Wayman Tisdale really, really wanted to play at GU alongside Ewing. What changed? Well, Oklahoma's Billy Tubbs pulled out all the stops to keep him in-state. (Tubbs only got the OU job when John Thompson turned it down in 1980.) A lineup of Ewing, Tisdale, Williams, Brown and Jackson, with Wingate and Graham first and second off the bench? Suddenly, you're talking about the prospects of a 37-0 team.
3. Few transfers in the modern were even close to the NBA, in fact, only three ever did (Anthony Jones, Anthony Tucker, John Turner). Turner was able to take a so-so year at GU, a lopsided stat sheet at now defunct Phillips University, and all the potential in the world into being a 1st round pick of the Rockets, and lasted one year--one of that franchise's most ill-fated picks. Could Macklin be the fourth to the NBA? Not sure, but he's earned a chance.
4. A more discouraging thing about transfers is some never got the opportunity to mature within a four year environment. Four years at Georgetown would have earned Mike Graham two NCAA rings and a 10 year NBA career. Four years at Georgetown for Kenny Brunner probably gets him into the NBA instead of being a itinerant streetballer. Four years of development at Georgetown for Marc Egerson could have really opened some doors for him. Four years for Victor Page, even without a transfer? Enough said.
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Post by harlemhoya on Apr 4, 2011 23:00:06 GMT -5
The press never new what was really going on inside the Hoya Lockeroom. The dad who was quite a player himself was the problem. The entire family could play. His Dad and uncles are/were serious ball players in high school. Dave Edwards was no joke!
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Post by RDF on Apr 5, 2011 0:07:51 GMT -5
Madge--since you get wood over trying to go at me-but hey at least you didn't use a "Jump the Shark" reference after getting off your myspace account, I'll say this--that team didn't limit possessions--they were a horrificly awful shooting team with crappy guards. I dont' blame them for being awful--they didn't recruit themselves and get lazy--that was Pops. They were awful offensive players --and Robert Churchwell gagging an open court missed layup did them in against UNLV.
Larry Johnson's transcripts wouldn't matter-he wanted to go to Georgetown out of Juco--it was in Jerry Tarkanian's book about the recruitment and he mentioned that is where Larry wanted to go--and the poster who mentioned SMU is spot on--Larry signed with them out of HS.
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Post by BigmanU on Apr 5, 2011 7:49:38 GMT -5
I can't find Sheffey's stats at New Mexico State. I think he went to have a solid career, but I could be wrong. Edwards put up some very strong numbers at Texas A&M. I always viewed Sheffey to more of a solid, steady PG and Edwards to be more of a frenetic PG. I guess I preferred Sheffey's style to Edwards', but based on stats alone, Edwards may well have put up better college numbers. Did George Butler transfer somewhere, or did he just get kicked off the team his senior year? Sheffey (Anacostia H.S.) transferred, I beleive he was in an auto accident (that summer 2007) and never really rebounded from that. I may be wrong but, I don't think he played college ball again. If I'm wrong, Please let me know.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 5, 2011 9:25:46 GMT -5
I think Shenard Long belongs on the starting team. IIRC, Shenard is the only member of the team that lost to UNC-Charlotte in 1997 who made it back to the tournament, with the GSU Panthers in 2001. They upset the Badgers in the first round and would have faced the Hoyas in the Sweet 16 if only they had gotten past UMd.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 5, 2011 11:28:11 GMT -5
This conversation started me thinking about the best team the board could assemble of players who transferred from Georgetown (limited to modern era JTII era and forward). I guess the selection criteria would be based on how well the players did at Georgetown and how well they did after transferring from the Hoyas. I'll start by throwing out a straw man starting 5: PG - Ed Sheffey SG - Demetrius Hunter SF - Anthony Jones PF - Duane Spencer C - Vernon Macklin Players Under Consideration: Pascal Fleury Antoine Stoudemaire Michael Graham Eric Myles Kenny Brunner Michael Tate-Vinson Milton Bell Jerry Nichols Ray Reed David Edwards Matt Causey Josh Thornton Marc Egerson Jeremiah Rivers Omar Wattad Lots of guards on this list. A lot fewer big men. I know I am missing a bunch. Wesley Wilson comes to mind.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 5, 2011 11:45:03 GMT -5
If this year's team had Omar Wattad, we'd still be playing, even the day after the Championship game. He was just that good.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 5, 2011 11:58:49 GMT -5
Nikita was the missing piece...its hard to win a NC when you lose one of your previous starters ;D
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 5, 2011 12:11:31 GMT -5
Michael Graham would NOT be coming off the bench for that team. Sit Macklin if necessary.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 5, 2011 12:15:10 GMT -5
Also, Victor Page is in a different category, that being "I Can't Believe He MADE It For Two Years At GU." No way could Victor (one of my favorite Hoyas) could have lasted four years.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 5, 2011 16:00:06 GMT -5
hoyalove4ever - I have to disagree - Macklin has had a far better college career than Michael Graham. Graham averaged 4 and 4 as a freshman at Georgetown and then I don't think played a single game at UDC. The criteria I established was how well the player performed at Georgetown and post-Georgetown. Graham was a flash in the pan with only a handful of games in which he made an impact (albeit some huge games...)
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