Filo
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Post by Filo on Mar 20, 2011 9:50:18 GMT -5
Just wait until tournament is completed to complain. If no teams make it to Final Four--then you have good reason to be skeptical--but having potential 3 of Sweet 16 and 2 of your teams knocking out 2 others--prevents potentially 5 teams from advancing--and then you had 3 teams lose in last possession. This is a down year for the league talent wise--and still league was better then other leagues top to bottom--just not as good as other leagues top teams if you ask me. That's pretty much it. 11/64 = 17.2% 3/16 = 18.8% The BE team playing the best that seems to have a legit shot at the FF couldn't even get a bye for the BET. I just don't get all the BE hand-wringing.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 20, 2011 16:07:08 GMT -5
i think BE teams just beat up against each other too much. when BE teams just purely dominate in OOC during the regular season, it does not explain sucha big flop in the tournament time. and i feel like JT3 needs to stop gettin a tough schedule for us in future. rather, get medicore teams where he can play and develop more players since our roster will be more deep next few years.
with that said, i still think UCONN has a very strong chance of goin to FF4 by upsettin duke and even beatin ohio state if kemba gets on fire. every year there is at least one team that goes far from BE led by one single good player.
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Post by btb (Account Inactive) on Mar 20, 2011 17:10:43 GMT -5
Ummm kids are staying in school and developing mentally and physically on the game they love and great and smarter coaching it's not about a conference it's about team, it's as simple as that #dontmakeouttobesohard #fact
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mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Mar 20, 2011 18:15:20 GMT -5
i think BE teams just beat up against each other too much. when BE teams just purely dominate in OOC during the regular season, it does not explain sucha big flop in the tournament time. and i feel like JT3 needs to stop gettin a tough schedule for us in future. rather, get medicore teams where he can play and develop more players since our roster will be more deep next few years. with that said, i still think UCONN has a very strong chance of goin to FF4 by upsettin duke and even beatin ohio state if kemba gets on fire. every year there is at least one team that goes far from BE led by one single good player. I agree with the schedule suggestion. Add 2 or 3 ROAD cupcake games so everyone can get meaningful minutes. Keep the season tix holders in mind with the home games. Something tells me it will be a weaker home OOC schedule with the team playing in the maui invitational
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 20, 2011 18:20:27 GMT -5
The early season nonconference record can't be compared to the postseason. Teams with returning players have an advantage, coaches are trying out combinations, trying to figure out what their teams can and can't do, and not game planning for opponents the way they do in the postseason.
I don't think Big East teams are worn down by league play, but I do think that the general style of play can backfire in the tournament. In Big East play, most teams try to force opponents to shoot jumpers. In tournament play against mid majors, that plays into their strength.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 20, 2011 20:08:06 GMT -5
seeing purdue gettin destroyed by VCU.. mayb we are unlucky meetin cinderella team? (with the exception of ohio last year)
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 20, 2011 20:12:45 GMT -5
We did better than Purdoo. 94 points for VCU.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Mar 20, 2011 20:49:13 GMT -5
For consecutive years I believe The Big East will get a team in the Final Four, perhaps two....Go Big East!!!
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tjm62
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Post by tjm62 on Mar 20, 2011 20:52:21 GMT -5
Down goes Cuse.
Lord.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 20, 2011 20:58:54 GMT -5
Chuck is ripping on the BE right now, right in Rick P.'s face. He doesn't look all that happy about it, especially since Charles is barely making any sense.
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Post by hoyadestroya on Mar 20, 2011 20:59:15 GMT -5
Thank God! Its been dreadful living in this town the past couple days. It;ll still be bad, but not as bad.
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Post by reformation on Mar 20, 2011 21:56:48 GMT -5
Chuck is ripping on the BE right now, right in Rick P.'s face. He doesn't look all that happy about it, especially since Charles is barely making any sense. Pitino's silence is pathetic and embarassing for the BE. I have to agree with barkley that the BE lacks elite players this year--though I don' t think its a case of worse talent other than for a couple of elite teams, but pretty much the same talent as the pack. Also Kenny smith made it seem like the BE never has any talent like the ACC, which is a joke.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 20, 2011 22:03:16 GMT -5
ND isn't helping us either.
Maybe it's time we all (our fanbase and every BE fanbase) stop talking like our 9th best team would win every other conference tournament in the country. It's pretty clear that even our best aren't guaranteed better than the good teams in other conferences. Its starting to look to me like we have a lot of teams that (a) get a favorable preseason rank, (b) play cupcake OOC schedules, which allow them to stack wins and stay in the top 25, (c) all beat up on each other in conference, so by the end, everyone thinks that most of the BE teams are top-caliber because they consistently play top-25 competition and sometimes pick up wins over one another, and then (d) flame out in the tournament against powerhouses like VCU, Florida State, George Mason, and Gonzaga.
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tjm62
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Post by tjm62 on Mar 20, 2011 22:57:08 GMT -5
ND is really the icing on the cake. The ACC has more teams in the sweet 16 than we do. Our only sweet 16 teams got in by facing OTHER big east teams.
There's still a small chance for redemption with a deep run by Marquette or Uconn, but frankly, I don' think it's particularly likely.
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whipple
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Post by whipple on Mar 20, 2011 23:01:12 GMT -5
NCAA has an agenda to keep the casual March Madness viewer glued to the TV for buzzer beaters and upsets.
big east teams were dominant in out-of-conference play this year but these "ticky-tack" fouls take the men out of basketball and hand sweet 16s to the boys.
The only way a BE team can win is to have an over-sized guard (i.e., Kemba or a 3/swingman) who can drive and capitalize on the cheap fouls. Having the commentators in love with him also helps.
it's like going from the NBA to international play--completely different styles, created to rob from the rich and give to the poor.
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guru
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Post by guru on Mar 20, 2011 23:05:22 GMT -5
NCAA has an agenda to keep the casual March Madness viewer glued to the TV for buzzer beaters and upsets. big east teams were dominant in out-of-conference play this year but these "ticky-tack" fouls take the men out of basketball and hand sweet 16s to the boys. The only way a BE team can win is to have an over-sized guard (i.e., Kemba or a 3/swingman) who can drive and capitalize on the cheap fouls. Having the commentators in love with him also helps. it's like going from the NBA to international play--completely different styles, created to rob from the rich and give to the poor. The only place Kemba Walker is oversized is at a dwarf tossing contest. Oversized? What are you talking about? This is the worst conspiracy theory ever.
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whipple
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Post by whipple on Mar 20, 2011 23:07:01 GMT -5
challenge my cheap foul argument and not my height miscalculation then
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Mar 21, 2011 0:29:44 GMT -5
The BE was ESPN's advertised big power conference. They got the viewers and the match ups and the audience. It was all about TV revenue, not BB quality. Sounds like you are talking about Big Ten football.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Mar 21, 2011 0:36:16 GMT -5
I think the point of the Big East depth has actually been proven in the tournament. Sure there are only 2 teams left but they finished 9th and 11th in the league.
Right now the league is 9-9 in the tournament. That was also the conference record for both of the remaining teams. Yes the ACC has 3 teams in the S16 but they were the best three in a league with little depth. Does anybody think that Miami (9th) and GT (11th with a losing overall record) could have gotten out of this weekend?
Parting shot: If you had Pitt or ND in your Final Four you are a moron.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2011 1:08:15 GMT -5
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