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Post by ahoyadad on Dec 2, 2010 18:21:24 GMT -5
as most of us are probably aware, the PL Presidents are voting on Scholarships for football on Dec 13th.
I just saw the following on the AGS board:
does anyone (DFW) have an idea of what this would mean for "us"??
"It has been reported on the Lafayette board by a reliable source that the votes have been counted, and scholarships are a done deal. This has been "known" for about a month, which would coincide with the rumors that many of the League coaching staffs had been green lighted to recruit with scholarships. Two additional interesting pieces of information:
1. As part of the "deal," Army and Navy have agreed to schedule one Patriot League opponent per year. I assume this means apiece, but it isn't stated. No matter, this would go a long way towards supplying "money games' for League members.
2. Lafayette is reported as all in, with efforts currently underway to rearrange the deck chairs to get to the maximum number, whatever that may be.
Still in the rumor stage, but I trust the source. "
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 2, 2010 20:49:59 GMT -5
If this info is correct, what does it mean for us?
If the league is going full scholarship and we're struggling to compete as it stands, I suppose that means we either bite the bullet to go full scholarship or...I don't know. I don't see being a 1-AA independent or joining the NEC or Pioneer as attractive options, so I suppose that means we're going scholarship or...not going to keep playing? Anyone? Are there any other realistic choices?
Maybe we can convince the Ancient Eight to accept one more. We're an elite academic school, so we wouldn't hurt their profile, plus, the Ivy schools could use a little churchin' up.
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Post by ahoyadad on Dec 2, 2010 22:15:45 GMT -5
The Ivy would be nice but I do think that we would have to be all or nothing with our sports programs not just football.....I think
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 2, 2010 22:43:14 GMT -5
Hoyadad,
If we could become a member of the Ivy League and the only cost would be to leave the Big East in basketball (because, let's be honest, that's the only sport that REALLY matters to most), we'd be nuts not to do it. The overall benefit to the university of being an official Ivy League college would far outweigh the importance of having a basketball team that's a national contender.
Of bigger concern to me is what happens if the PL decides to go with scholarships. We can't really compete in the PL as is, and I'm afraid that this move might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. We just have no good option outside the PL. Honestly, I think I'd rather the school have a club football team than a team that loses every week to the hodgepodge lower tier of 1-AA teams that exist outside of the PL and Ivy in the Mid Atlantic and Northeast.
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Post by jkhoya12 on Dec 2, 2010 22:54:20 GMT -5
Hoyadad, If we could become a member of the Ivy League and the only cost would be to leave the Big East in basketball (because, let's be honest, that's the only sport that REALLY matters to most), we'd be nuts not to do it. The overall benefit to the university of being an official Ivy League college would far outweigh the importance of having a basketball team that's a national contender. Of bigger concern to me is what happens if the PL decides to go with scholarships. We can't really compete in the PL as is, and I'm afraid that this move might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. We just have no good option outside the PL. Honestly, I think I'd rather the school have a club football team than a team that loses every week to the hodgepodge lower tier of 1-AA teams that exist outside of the PL and Ivy in the Mid Atlantic and Northeast. I have to VEHEMENTLY disagree with this. Georgetown does not need the Ivy League or it's "approval" to be considered the best school in the country. That's what's great about this place. |
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 2, 2010 23:28:44 GMT -5
JK,
I respectfully disagree. Membership in the Ivy League would open doors for our students and community like nothing a good basketball team, US News ranking, or famous faculty could ever do. We don't need "approval" the same way a person doesn't need to attend an elite school to get a great education. However, there is a reason people want to attend elite schools.
Having said all that, (a) it doesn't matter because it's never going to happen and (b) I don't want to hijack a thread on an issue that IS apparently going to happen and has some serious consequences for our football program. If you're fired up, why not propose the hypothetical on the 37th and O board - I'm sure there'll be plenty of takers on both sides who would love to opine.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 2, 2010 23:50:08 GMT -5
as most of us are probably aware, the PL Presidents are voting on Scholarships for football on Dec 13th. I just saw the following on the AGS board: does anyone (DFW) have an idea of what this would mean for "us"?? Best case scenario: A 25-30 scholarship Patriot League. Worst case scenario: A 63-scholarship league. Long story short, and barring an unforeseen number of alumni-generated scholarships, GU needs to at least investigate other conference options if the PL becomes wholly non-competitive for the program, such as: 1) rotating four Ivy League games every other year (a recruit would get a home and home with every Ivy team over a 4 year period), 2) playing only three of the six PL teams, 3) adding more NEC teams and a Howard or Towson here and there, all of which could be worth looking into, short of convincing the entire Ivy League to all GU as a regular non-conference opponent and getting eight Ivy games a year. Some earlier thoughts on the situation linked below: georgetownfootball.blogspot.com/2010/09/declaration-of-independents.html |
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Dec 3, 2010 1:00:32 GMT -5
Why, in the middle of a standout fall season for other GU sports (many of which award scholarships), would we even TALK about joining the Ivy League? If we are going to put the interests of football above every other sport besides basketball, we need to first decide to fully commit to developing the program as it is. Joining the Ivy League would do nothing to help the football program unless the University commits to developing it first.
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 3, 2010 6:52:03 GMT -5
Why, in the middle of a standout fall season for other GU sports (many of which award scholarships), would we even TALK about joining the Ivy League? If we are going to put the interests of football above every other sport besides basketball, we need to first decide to fully commit to developing the program as it is. Joining the Ivy League would do nothing to help the football program unless the University commits to developing it first. LizzieBeth, Joining the Ivy League would do something for the entire university - it would make it an "Ivy League school." It would be a lateral move for football, but would put GU on the tip of people's tongues like nothing else. But I digress...because it will never happen. The Ivy League schools would rather eat their tweed coats than have us as a member. It's like saying "would you stop watching sports if it would cure cancer?" We can talk all we want, but who cares - never gonna happen. |
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 3, 2010 9:18:25 GMT -5
When you have a league called the Ancient Eight who's been playing sports with rivalries since before 1900, they're not going to take Georgetown just because we lost our football conference.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 3, 2010 13:34:03 GMT -5
The Ivy League option is a non-starter. What is more disturbing is that folks would stare this fundraising opportunity in the face and decide not to raise some money. GU has a wide pool of donors, even small ones, and the idea that it cannot raise money to cover this kind of thing is wrong in consideration of how much it has raised through capital campaigns and the like.
The question is whether GU believes it important enough to rescue PL football for Georgetown. Blaming donors because money is allegedly not there is one good way to make sure it won't be there in the future.
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 3, 2010 14:20:59 GMT -5
If it's true, the PL decision is essentially a forcing function. Georgetown has two pretty clear choices:
1. Fund scholarships. By doing this, you upgrade the football program in general - adding all the money required for even a minimum amount of scholarships kind of demands that you put more money into football to get a return (not necessarily increased revenue, but increased competitiveness).
2. Not not fund scholarships. By doing this, Georgetown joins the NEC or Pioneer (or is an independent). Football continues, but it's not very good.
DFW has repeatedly slapped me over the head enough times that I'm not going to say that Georgetown will be giving up football. But it's entirely possible to say that "hey, we're OK with not-very-good football". It's worked for Columbia, it can work for us.
If I were a massive Hoya football fan, I'd be ecstatic about this - the gauntlet may soon be thrown down, and GU will need to make a very clear choice about where they want the program in 5-10 years. With the current Patriot League setup, it's been possible to waffle. This puts an end to that.
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 9, 2010 15:50:11 GMT -5
Any news on this issue in the last 10 days?
We're 4 days away from a decision that will have dramatic consequences, one way or another, for the program and there's just no word from anyone out there on it. This, coupled with the latest MSF revisions and the fact that Coach Kelley remains the head coach make me wonder what is happening and what is going to happen. Anyone?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 9, 2010 16:24:34 GMT -5
Last official comment on this came Sept. 10, 2009: "In the year to come, we are focusing on developing a strategic plan for two major projects, the completion of which would benefit all of our teams and the University community as a whole.
"First, it is crucial that we complete the Multi-Sport Field, which hosts not only our football and lacrosse games, but also intramurals, club sports, and events such as the annual all-night Relay for Life, a major fundraiser for the American Cancer Society. The original design, which includes precast cement stands and a rebuilt foundation, has been an expensive proposition. Though improvements have been made to the field in the last few years, the project remains unfinished and still requires significant investment to complete. For that reason, I have asked colleagues in Athletics and the University to see if we can develop a cost-effective approach to completing the field. Our goals will stay the same: To improve our teams' game-day experience, to make the venue more fan-friendly, and to construct an aesthetically pleasing facility.
"As we develop new options for this important project in the coming months, we look forward to sharing its details with our friends and donors. " www.guhoyas.com/genrel/091009aaa.html |
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 9, 2010 19:43:53 GMT -5
Maddening.
I'm sure all of this is grrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeat for recruiting.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 9, 2010 21:00:17 GMT -5
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 9, 2010 22:34:47 GMT -5
I support our baseball program (and softball too, I suppose, but that wasn't in existence in my time) but I gotta tell ya, based on the MSF experience, I wouldn't donate one red cent to that project given the mismanagement of the funds - and relationships with alums - on the MSF. Really disappointing.
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Post by bogie on Dec 10, 2010 10:54:29 GMT -5
Everyone is welcome to come over and vote in the Scholarship Decision Poll on the Lafayette board. Lafayette Poll |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 10, 2010 12:15:23 GMT -5
How is Kelly at fault? I'm not sure I follow that. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 10, 2010 12:57:21 GMT -5
How is Kelly at fault? I'm not sure I follow that. I didn't imply that--he's waiting just as the team is to see some, no, any move towards this project. |
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