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Post by chep3 on Oct 25, 2010 15:55:08 GMT -5
Oh, and Ambassador, Since we're calling out stats and Chris' 16 min of play in the one win since he's been here, like any of the losses were his fault, who hit the buzzer beating three before the half in that win? Chris. Who was the best only player for us against Ohio? Chris Who was by far the best player for us in the BE tourney last year? Chris And he's drawing criticism because of a PRACTICE? Get a grip Fixed.
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 25, 2010 15:58:22 GMT -5
Oh, and Ambassador, Since we're calling out stats and Chris' 16 min of play in the one win since he's been here, like any of the losses were his fault, who hit the buzzer beating three before the half in that win? Chris. Who was the best only player for us against Ohio? Chris Who was by far the best player for us in the BE tourney last year? Chris And he's drawing criticism because of a PRACTICE? Get a grip Fixed. Agree with Daytona's post with the possible exception of Chris being our best player in the BET....Monroe was pretty darn good and would have likely taken home MVP honors had we beat WV. That said, Chris was nails.
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 25, 2010 15:58:39 GMT -5
This discussion sounds like a bunch of kids arguing for the sole purpose of proving they are right. Now back to reports on the practice session.
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Post by chep3 on Oct 25, 2010 16:01:26 GMT -5
I think we're drawing a few too many conclusions from a week 1 practice. Let's wait until the tip before we start deciding who has or hasn't improved enough this year.
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Post by FLHoya on Oct 25, 2010 16:12:24 GMT -5
Now back to reports on the practice session. Which, although it was nice to be allowed by Coach to stay for a shockingly long amount of time, was not nearly as interesting as people are making it out to be. It was the same format as every other one I've watched. The only apparent difference is that somebody was counting the missed layups.
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Post by mfrekko on Oct 25, 2010 17:21:36 GMT -5
Chill, fellas. This is one practice we are talking about. Very little you can extrapolate from it, other than strength, size, speed, and endurance.
As I've stated before, I don't think the 3-guard lineup will hurt us much this year in a conference with precious few formidable big men. And the corollary here is that if we play big, the inexperience of Nate/Henry/Moses/Bennimon will not be exploited by most Big East teams.
I have very high expectations for the team this year. I think we are Top 10 material with a good year from Vaughn and serviceable production from the PF position. By season's end, Freeman, Wright, Clark, Vee, and Markel will form perhaps the nation's strongest backcourt rotation.
Let's get the bandwagon rolling! Doubters beware. A pearl of a season awaits us. This is a new season. A new day. And I daresay a new Ranch.
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 25, 2010 17:49:38 GMT -5
agree with nathan hm ... we need to remember these are 18-21 year old KIDS students who work their tails off in school.... and on the court to represent us.. sooooo ..... they need to be much more meaner and need to be tough.... but heck ....KIDS FOLKS KIDS.... and ones im very proud to be represented by .....BUT { so i dont look like the tooth fairy}.. WHERES THE 1-3-1- PRESS COACH? ..ha ha ill NEVER see that one go hoyas ;D ;D EXCEPT with the girls team and tapes of big johns team GO HOYAS OLD NEW AND FUTURE
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 25, 2010 20:56:00 GMT -5
Remember when everyone was on JW for not being athletic? It was something like 2 1/2 years of that nonsense. And, at the same stage, JW's career in college is far superior to Chris's career. Wallace's teams were more successful I'll grant you that. But as a player was he far superior than Chris at the same stage? I don't think so. Chris has been asked to be a leader, a distributor, a scorer and THE primary ballhandler. Jon was asked to be a leader and a scorer/shooter (and even with that he didn't become a double figure scorer until his junior season). Not to mention despite all the complaints about Chris' defense he is superior in that area to Jon. Truth is Chris has been asked to do a lot more for his team than Jon. The only thing he can't do as well or better than Jon is shoot the three.
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 25, 2010 22:35:32 GMT -5
Begs the question.....would we be better off with jwall running the point on this team?
I am one that thinks chris is going to have his break out year.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Oct 25, 2010 22:54:35 GMT -5
No.....JWall was a game manager, and that worked with Jeff and Roy and DaJuan and him being able to be the fourth or fifth wheel.
This team needs a creator....But on the flip side, Chris wouldn't have been ideal for Jeff's teams either, while JWall was absolutely perfect
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Post by RBHoya on Oct 25, 2010 22:54:57 GMT -5
Wallace's teams were more successful I'll grant you that. But as a player was he far superior than Chris at the same stage? I don't think so. Chris has been asked to be a leader, a distributor, a scorer and THE primary ballhandler. Jon was asked to be a leader and a scorer/shooter (and even with that he didn't become a double figure scorer until his junior season). Not to mention despite all the complaints about Chris' defense he is superior in that area to Jon. Truth is Chris has been asked to do a lot more for his team than Jon. The only thing he can't do as well or better than Jon is shoot the three. Not trying to get too involved in this thread, but not sure I totally agree. Both Chris and Jon were the third scoring options on their teams, so I don't know that you can say that Chris is asked to be a scorer and Jon wasn't. I also don't think that playing next to Jessie took that much of the ballhandling/distributing load off of Jon, at least as compared to playing next to Jessie/Jason has done for CW. Basically I think they've been faced with similar tasks despite being different players. All in all, the direction of this thread is worthless though. What good does it do to say whether we're better off with Chris or Jon? Jon was fantastic while here, but he's graduated and Chris is the guy now. Chris may be up and down at times and he may have his flaws, but I think he definitely plays hard every time out, which is all I ask as a fan.
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 25, 2010 23:08:59 GMT -5
Agree completely, I presented a pointless question....just need to pass the time till we get to nov 12 th
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Post by RDF on Oct 25, 2010 23:30:08 GMT -5
Yeah, calling him out on something people saw and know he actually did is not fair--or realistic--as compared to saying he'll be great because he played well in a Tournament last year for 4 games and is a year older.
If you're putting that much stock into an open practice scrimmage, what about the strong showing he had at the CP3 camp followed up by a very strong Kenner League? People were there and watched those events, too. Actually heard he was the exact same player from many people who went to Kenner League. The CP3 Camp had mixed reviews of his "strong" play--heard he was good--but also heard from a friend in attendance he didn't guard anyone--which bothered me then too. If he can't play defense--fine--he's doing his best--but I tend to believe he can and we've not seen his best efforts on that end of the court--or in terms of approaching each game with attitude needed from the guy who will be the team leader this year.
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 30, 2010 23:39:31 GMT -5
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