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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 26, 2010 20:02:51 GMT -5
Strummer - I don't think we know what drug may or may not be at issue in the arrests tonight. It would be fairly bold to snort/smoke or whatever you do with DMT. I agree if tonight is a weed issue.
Harbin 2 was once a smoking floor, and consumption appeared to be exploratory in certain areas. It only damaged the people on the floor and never caused a disturbance in other areas/floors for folks like me who don't like the smell.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 26, 2010 20:09:58 GMT -5
How has the university handled this horribly?
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 26, 2010 20:27:47 GMT -5
How has the university handled this horribly? "Horribly" may be a slight overstatement for which I apologize. But there are certainly red flags. The worst is obviously that we didn't have working fire alarms. I guess that's not a problem specific to this incident, but it's fairly troubling. Second, the University has not yet made any contact with alums. Considering that alums are the ones the school hits up for money and support, it would be nice if they provided some info so people know what to say friends, family, coworkers, etc. confront them with: "So I hear kids are cooking drugs in your old dorm." (Granted, everyone on HT stays very well informed about the University, but I don't think that's a universal thing.) Third, and this is admittedly an rush to judgment that I may retract later, but IF it is the case that the most recent arrests are for far less egregious drug-related conduct, that's a major problem for a host of reasons, not the least of which is that it's a sign that the University is ceding run-of-the-mill disciplinary control to law enforcement. I fear that we may be on the cusp of a gross campus-wide overreaction. In general, I guess I just feel like I usually do when there's a problem on campus: I can't help but wonder "Who is in charge, and what is he/she doing (if anything)?" At this point, we've had as many as six arrests from one dorm building in the last few days, and correct me if I'm wrong, but no one has heard from the University President. Sure, Todd Olson's emails have been good, and they seem to have kept campus informed, but I just wish that we were given something that would instill confidence in anyone that this situation is under control.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Oct 26, 2010 20:38:17 GMT -5
OK wait, was she just smoking pot in the dorm? I am as anti-drug as anyone you'll ever meet, believe me. But the University also can't allow this event to turn the campus into a police state. Are cops going to be called in now on petty offenses that in the past have just resulted in DPS sharing people's weed? (Believe me, that happens/happened.). As an RA in an apartment, the only thing I did was respond to people's complaints and this one hallway ALWAYS smelled of weed. When someone complained, I had to report it to DPS. This happened at least 10 times in a year for the same apartment. The kids NEVER got in trouble. If this keeps up, I would have transferred to. As usual, I think the University has handled this whole thing horribly. I still don't get the whole reasons for transfer thing (even in you are an unhappy frosh going through the trials and tribulations of frosh year). That is, unless you really like your illegal drugs and in that case, please, get away from Georgetown. But seriously, this happens at most EVERY school. Georgetown is just doing something about it now. There's nothing wrong with that. If you went to another school besides some uber-religious one, drug use will still occur but the school will largely ignore it. As a student, you ignore it and move on. You don't have to hang out with those kids. And I also don't understand how Georgetown is handling this situation poorly. From what I can tell, the kid was distributing some legal drug (and probably some illegal drugs although its not like they found a stash of real pot in the room) and then started this drug lab with materials that the Richmond kid brought (the boxes were found in his car). Georgetown nipped this right in the bud and did the right thing by handing it over to authorities. Obviously other things were going on (hence the new arrests), but the University is only acting pursuant to its own code of conduct. If it wants to really work hard to get the drugs off of campus, by all means Georgetown, please do so. Its unfortunate this is national press but when you are an elite university and something bad happens, its gossipy news. People love it when the "good preppy kids" mess up. If this was at MiddleofNowhere State U, it would not be a big story at all. EDIT: Just read your above post, and I do not believe the school has any reason to send anything to alums.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 26, 2010 20:49:33 GMT -5
So in terms of national exposure. It doesn't seem to be making that big of a splash in the basketball world. Only the Cuse board and the Uconn scout boards have mentioned the story and neither thread has reached double digits responses.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 26, 2010 20:50:30 GMT -5
Strummer: FYI, the University has been in contact (several times) with people, including many alumni, who have an important stake in what is going on now on campus - parents of current students. I am one and I am also an alumnus. I have been happy with the promptness and the content of the communication. I don't need an email from President DeGioia given what I've heard already.
I'm sorry you feel disenfranchised because you haven't gotten an email yet, but frankly that is unnecessary IMO. What could they possibly tell someone like you who has a major chip on his shoulder about the University administration that would be helpful to you? Regardless of your worries about possible overreactions and impending police states, there are privacy issues regarding students on campus that have precedence to alumni getting the inside scoop. It sounds like this may be part of a DC / Federal police investigation with which the University must cooperate. If not, the University has a code of conduct for students that has always been there. I don't have a problem with them enforcing it appropriately.
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 26, 2010 21:26:54 GMT -5
Strummer: FYI, the University has been in contact (several times) with people, including many alumni, who have an important stake in what is going on now on campus - parents of current students. I am one and I am also an alumnus. I have been happy with the promptness and the content of the communication. I don't need an email from President DeGioia given what I've heard already. I'm sorry you feel disenfranchised because you haven't gotten an email yet, but frankly that is unnecessary IMO. What could they possibly tell someone like you who has a major chip on his shoulder about the University administration that would be helpful to you? Regardless of your worries about possible overreactions and impending police states, there are privacy issues regarding students on campus that have precedence to alumni getting the inside scoop. It sounds like this may be part of a DC / Federal police investigation with which the University must cooperate. If not, the University has a code of conduct for students that has always been there. I don't have a problem with them enforcing it appropriately. I'm glad that they have been in touch with you and others in your position. I imagine it's made a lot of parents feel better to have received information directly. To be clear, I don't personally feel disenfranchised or have any sort of chip on my shoulder. I like to stay on top of University goings-on, so I think I'm pretty well-informed and have no issue with the fact that I have not been personally contacted. I just worry that a lot of alums do not stay as connected as those of us on HT do, and I would bet that many think that there was a dangerous meth lab in operation for an unknown period of time—maybe days, weeks, who knows? No one has told them anything. It would be appropriate, I think, for the school to reassure all University stakeholders, not just ones lucky enough to have children currently enrolled. I'm not sure if members of your class feel the same way as members of mine do, but a lot of alums from my generation say without blinking an eye that they will never give back to Georgetown because there is a distinct impression that the University does not interact well with its students on many levels. I do not agree with the "never giving" position, but I do think that the University could do more—much more—to alleviate the problem. I think that in light of the reporting of this story up to this point, there could be people who next time they receive a call requesting a donation could easily think, "Why bother? So my money can go to DPS, and RAs, and financial aid for a place that can't keep itself free of meth labs, and can't even keep its fire alarms in working order?" If the University never disseminates the truth or puts its spin on the situation, then the half-truths and misinformation are all that's left, and that's unfortunate. And even worse, the failure to provide information will fit well with those people's impression that the University just doesn't care enough to tell us anything. Whereas you think I have a chip on my shoulder, I actually have an incredibly strong attachment to Georgetown, and my criticisms are always stated with the hope that the school can and will someday do better to foster the strong loyalty that it deserves. As for enforcing the Code of Conduct, look I have no problem with harshly punishing drug offenders on campus. I just think it sends a pretty lousy message to have perp walks out of Harbin on a daily basis. To have the cops hauling students out of a dorm become routine is certainly not good for image, morale, student trust, etc. Again, I'm not being bitter, just interested.
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Post by mchoya on Oct 26, 2010 21:27:49 GMT -5
Also Strummer, it was possession with intent to distribute, not someone who's toking on a random blunt on an idle day. That warrants MPD any day.
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 26, 2010 21:31:59 GMT -5
EDIT: Just read your above post, and I do not believe the school has any reason to send anything to alums. Maybe I'm wrong about the value of informing alums, but it's just usually my default position to think that providing accurate information is better than allowing others to dictate how the story is remembered. I recognize that reasonable minds could disagree, though.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Oct 26, 2010 21:32:54 GMT -5
Can you explain the "porn girl" reference? What am I missing here? And how many people have been arrested?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 26, 2010 21:38:07 GMT -5
google:
that's who this freshman girl who was arrested is.
Edited. Neither proven nor appropriate. Take it off-board if you want to discuss it further.--Admin
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 26, 2010 22:07:05 GMT -5
Strummer: I'm sure the University wants this kind of publicity even less than you do. They may have no choice if DC or Federal police are running things.
It's probably way too early for them to make a comprehensive statement about this and, as I mentioned above, there are student privacy issues involved as well. They may not even know all the details since obviously there is a criminal investigation going on and the police are under no obligation to reveal all they know to the University.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 26, 2010 22:27:36 GMT -5
I give the Feds props for digging through all of this mess. It sounds like they have been fairly intrusive in their methods and have asked students to participate in interviews/questioning. Hopefully Harbin families have been providing good guidance to their children. I would say parents of students in that building have the most need for information right now.
One message should be clear right now, which is that the Feds ain't playing. For some of these folks, a couple of days in Central Lockup wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 26, 2010 22:44:10 GMT -5
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Post by mchoya on Oct 26, 2010 22:49:40 GMT -5
Well, it looks like if you needed a group costume for this weekend, "People of Harbin" would be a good choice.
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 27, 2010 8:33:39 GMT -5
I give the Feds props for digging through all of this mess. It sounds like they have been fairly intrusive in their methods and have asked students to participate in interviews/questioning. Hopefully Harbin families have been providing good guidance to their children. I would say parents of students in that building have the most need for information right now. One message should be clear right now, which is that the Feds ain't playing. For some of these folks, a couple of days in Central Lockup wouldn't be a bad thing. I am happy that everyone is taking drugs on campus seriously , but I really hope we don't hear anymore reports of students handcuffed and removed, at least not in view of other students. I have to imagine that feeling like you're on an episode of The Wire is not helping freshmen get comfortable on campus. ... Unless Bubbs is around selling t-shirts. That actually would make people quite comfortable. As for the students being questioned, sure almost all of them are probably 18, but I would bet that the vast majority have never dealt with this sort of situation. I hope that their legal rights are being respected. It is one thing to root out the dealers in the building. It would be quite another if kids start accidentally fessing up to things that any lawyer worth his salt would tell them they have a right to keep quiet. (I'm not saying this is happening, but just another of the many concerns.)
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Post by TC on Oct 27, 2010 8:59:02 GMT -5
As good as The Voice reporting has been on this, the comments on Vox Populi are just horrendous. A third of the crowd wants to string up a witch, a third of the crowd wants to intimidate people in a "stop snitching" campaign, and the rest is just Harry Potter references.
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Post by vcjack on Oct 27, 2010 10:04:42 GMT -5
As good as The Voice reporting has been on this, the comments on Vox Populi are just horrendous. A third of the crowd wants to string up a witch, a third of the crowd wants to intimidate people in a "stop snitching" campaign, and the rest is just Harry Potter references. This one almost killed me Visit their site, but it's not appropriate here.--Admin
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Post by theexorcist on Oct 27, 2010 12:06:00 GMT -5
I give the Feds props for digging through all of this mess. It sounds like they have been fairly intrusive in their methods and have asked students to participate in interviews/questioning. Hopefully Harbin families have been providing good guidance to their children. I would say parents of students in that building have the most need for information right now. One message should be clear right now, which is that the Feds ain't playing. For some of these folks, a couple of days in Central Lockup wouldn't be a bad thing. I am happy that everyone is taking drugs on campus seriously , but I really hope we don't hear anymore reports of students handcuffed and removed, at least not in view of other students. I have to imagine that feeling like you're on an episode of The Wire is not helping freshmen get comfortable on campus. ... Unless Bubbs is around selling t-shirts. That actually would make people quite comfortable. As for the students being questioned, sure almost all of them are probably 18, but I would bet that the vast majority have never dealt with this sort of situation. I hope that their legal rights are being respected. It is one thing to root out the dealers in the building. It would be quite another if kids start accidentally fessing up to things that any lawyer worth his salt would tell them they have a right to keep quiet. (I'm not saying this is happening, but just another of the many concerns.) What's the problem with handcuffing and removing people in view of students? Hurting their itty-bitty feelings? If cops would do this to someone who wasn't in college, do it to Georgetown students. Being in college doesn't get you a "get out of perp walk free" card.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Oct 27, 2010 12:22:28 GMT -5
I am happy that everyone is taking drugs on campus seriously , but I really hope we don't hear anymore reports of students handcuffed and removed, at least not in view of other students. I have to imagine that feeling like you're on an episode of The Wire is not helping freshmen get comfortable on campus. ... Unless Bubbs is around selling t-shirts. That actually would make people quite comfortable. As for the students being questioned, sure almost all of them are probably 18, but I would bet that the vast majority have never dealt with this sort of situation. I hope that their legal rights are being respected. It is one thing to root out the dealers in the building. It would be quite another if kids start accidentally fessing up to things that any lawyer worth his salt would tell them they have a right to keep quiet. (I'm not saying this is happening, but just another of the many concerns.) What's the problem with handcuffing and removing people in view of students? Hurting their itty-bitty feelings? If cops would do this to someone who wasn't in college, do it to Georgetown students. Being in college doesn't get you a "get out of perp walk free" card. yeah, strummer you are losing credibility by the second...are you sure you went to law school? Why don't you sit this next one out, stop talking for a while. Also, what's with all the Harry Potter references in the comments? I'm lost again. Its been 10 years since I graduated and it feels like its been 50 based on Harbin now vs. Harbin then...
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