alleninxis
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Post by alleninxis on Oct 18, 2010 22:41:13 GMT -5
Meant to include Hopkins, still it's a group that could use someone like Adams.
Ochefu is far from a lock, we should all understand that by now. Adams is a big, physical kid and offers a game that most of us have wanted for a while. I can't understand passing on him right now. To me, he's exactly what is needed to finish this class off.
If Ochefu really loves Georgetown, then we'll see what happens. He wants to come, there would be a spot for him.
I understand we have some momentum back, and that's great. I love it, but I'd also love to capitalize on it right now.
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 18, 2010 22:58:00 GMT -5
From everything I read about Adams, he sounds like he's has a similar type game as former Hoya recruit - Alfred Aboya. Good athelte, space eater, can catch - square up - and go up strong, and rebound in his area. Other that that, he's got limited post moves and has to become better at rebounding in traffic. When you think about it...how different is his skill set than Moses?
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Post by RDF on Oct 18, 2010 23:00:50 GMT -5
Take Adams--he's big/athletic and likes to knock people on their ass--something this program hasn't had for a while. Ochefu has pimps/handlers involved now--pushing him to WVU---he missed MM--that was a "great" sign --when he was invited and he knows Georgetown loves him--so did Christmas--and I don't want to be sitting here next year saying "At least Daniel wrote a love note thanking III for recruiting him" after he chooses another school. This program has been burned by people who stretch things out and drag them along--that crap has to end--go with those who WANT to come--especially when they are 6'9 250 lbs and fit what is needed--Bolden is 200 lbs right now--there is plenty of room for 5 bigs---Moses, Nate, Hopkins, Bolden, and Adams--and if someone of Ochefu's stature wants to come--join the party and take on competition. Happens at numerous other schools-guess it can't happen here.
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Post by hoyaboya on Oct 18, 2010 23:02:12 GMT -5
From everything I read about Adams, he sounds like he's has a similar type game as former Hoya recruit - Alfred Aboya. Good athelte, space eater, can catch - square up - and go up strong, and rebound in his area. Other that that, he's got limited post moves and has to become better at rebounding in traffic. When you think about it...how different is his skill set than Moses? Re: Moses, I got the impression from listening to Coach Thompson speak this summer that he is a major, major project. I don't expect much out of Moses his first couple years besides some defense, rebounding and a bunch of fouls. Adams seems to be considered a better prospect at the same stage by most/all recruiting gurus. I'd tend to take Adams if he wants to come and keep going hard after Ochefu. I'm sure Coach Thompson would take a commitment from Ochefu if he wanted to commit this second. I don't have a ton of faith that we can expect huge contributions from Sims and Moses in 2011-2012, so Adams could conceivably have an impact right away, before Ochefu were to even show up on campus.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 18, 2010 23:20:40 GMT -5
are you comfortable with Henry, Nate, Moses, Jerrelle and Moses giving us 80 minutes next year? I'm not. I am comfortable with it actually.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 18, 2010 23:26:31 GMT -5
As far as recruiting committed players, Duke has done it to us unsuccessfully (Lubick) and others successfully (Rivers), and we've had it done to us successfully by others (Riley)... I hear ya but I don't care about the tactics of other programs. I care about how Gtown goes about its business. Should the Hoyas pay recruits too just because other programs probably do? Yeah, I'm going overboard but I think you understand where I'm coming from.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 18, 2010 23:27:56 GMT -5
Take Adams--he's big/athletic and likes to knock people on their ass--something this program hasn't had for a while. Ochefu has pimps/handlers involved now--pushing him to WVU---he missed MM--that was a "great" sign --when he was invited and he knows Georgetown loves him--so did Christmas--and I don't want to be sitting here next year saying "At least Daniel wrote a love note thanking III for recruiting him" after he chooses another school. This program has been burned by people who stretch things out and drag them along--that crap has to end--go with those who WANT to come--especially when they are 6'9 250 lbs and fit what is needed--Bolden is 200 lbs right now--there is plenty of room for 5 bigs---Moses, Nate, Hopkins, Bolden, and Adams--and if someone of Ochefu's stature wants to come--join the party and take on competition. Happens at numerous other schools-guess it can't happen here. Its a solid argument but even if Ochefu goes elsewhere there are still other bigs we are on in 2012.
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Post by daymondmyles on Oct 19, 2010 8:56:19 GMT -5
RDF is dead on with respect to the Tyler Adams/Ochefu situation.
I'm not speaking about the part with respect to Ochefu having handlers because I don't know, and I don't think the absence from MM was a sign because he seemed genuinely angry that he couldn't make it.
But it makes very little sense to decline to take Adams for the CHANCE of getting Ochefu. We've been complaining for years that our rebounding is awful and how we wish we could get back to the toughness and get a guy that parks his butt under the basket, yet now we are willing to turn a player that fills all those needs next year for a CHANCE at a 2012 player that MAY have better upside. If both guys told Jt3 at the exact same time that they want to play here, then MAYBE it's a different story (I'd still contend that Adams is worth more to us right now because of the dearth of talent at the center position in 2011 and the fact that Ochefu would have another couple of years to re-think his position and back out of his commitment), but who in their right mind is willing to turn down a commitment now from Adams without a commitment from Ochefu? It's like you all are forgetting the Rakeem Christmas situation which just happened.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 19, 2010 9:06:19 GMT -5
Reading thta he is "beefy" leeads me to the question as to whether he can run quickly up and down the court. I am hopeful that the Hoyas continue to improve overall team speed, as they have in the past couple of seasons. I think that even in the modified Princeton offense you can never be too fast. The ability to get up and down the court quickly was more evident last year and has led JT III to modifying his offense (and hopefully this year his defense) to take advantage of that speed and quickness. We know that Vaughn and Benimon are not speedsters. Sims can move--when he plays-- and the same can be said of the rest of last year's returnees. No clue on Lubick yet or Abraham. Let's continue to recruit speed.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 19, 2010 9:16:58 GMT -5
Your center doesn't need to get up and down the court quickly - he needs to rebound and pass it to your fast guards. And since we're never going to be a team that runs all the time, speed shouldn't be a priority over other skills.
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Post by damnhoya on Oct 19, 2010 9:48:27 GMT -5
It's amazing that people are debating whether to take Adams when we know we are in need of bigs and only a month ago, people were complaining about our recruiting class (and how many people have posted that we should take 2 bigs in this class?!). I like the sound of Hopkins and Adams up front.
When Adams is suited up as a Hoya next year, you won't be complaining...
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Oct 19, 2010 9:55:08 GMT -5
It's amazing that people are debating whether to take Adams when we know we are in need of bigs and only a month ago, people were complaining about our recruiting class (and how many people have posted that we should take 2 bigs in this class?!). I like the sound of Hopkins and Adams up front. When Adams is suited up as a Hoya next year, you won't be complaining... very true... and all the better to stick it to Duke
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Post by dungeon ball on Oct 19, 2010 10:15:49 GMT -5
Is this all still very hypothetical?? Or is there info out there that I haven't seen that Adams will be a Hoya?
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Post by RDF on Oct 19, 2010 10:18:13 GMT -5
So we've got people complaining about whether or not Adams can get up and down the court but we've got some who want the Bhullar's--who would lose a race to a parapolegic turtle? Take the big kid--and he's a 4 year player---Ochefu is going to be 1-2 and done wherever he goes and if he's not afraid of competition he'll come and it also puts pressure on guys who are on the team now to perform or get recruited over--like it or not-this is a big business and you don't have time to wait for people to perform--you don't kick them out of school but that doesn't mean you have to play them either-so either play well or sit them.
Time for being "nice" is over. Competition is something kids understand and if you aren't playing well--you shouldn't play. Better players come in--and it's been that way for years--at least in championship caliber programs. I'll take Adams wanting to be a Hoya over Ochefu saying he loves Georgetown--and then being recruited hard--Hoyas have been aggressive in their recruitment and he's slow playing (completely his right) but you can't worry about that--if he loves program--he'll come--if not--he won't--and who they sign now shouldn't matter. A lot changes in 2 years--as we well know.
BTW--as someone who has bashed the staff at will for not going after tall/physical players--I applaud their pursuit of Adams and like the sound of Trawick as well-physical types who don't care for being "nice" on the court. This has been needed in this program and kudos for pursuing more athletic/physical players who want to kick your teeth in and don't give a rip if you like it or not-about time!
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 19, 2010 10:22:06 GMT -5
Your center doesn't need to get up and down the court quickly - he needs to rebound and pass it to your fast guards. And since we're never going to be a team that runs all the time, speed shouldn't be a priority over other skills. My thoughts exactly SF.
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Post by idhoya on Oct 19, 2010 10:32:25 GMT -5
Exactly. Take Adams. You still go after Ochefu. Teams like Kentucky, UNC, MSU seem to have an abundance of 6'9-6'10 kids on their roster and find playing time for all of them. Why can't Georgetown?
Btw, Jerelle Benimon=Rheese Gibson.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Oct 19, 2010 11:49:51 GMT -5
These are the facts...Benimon and Sims are not legit high level Big East players. When we speak of bigs they should not be included. Take Adams if he wants in and continue to pursue Ochefu like a mad man. Convince him that competition down low everyday will make him a better player.
Sidebar I love how our recruiting is going right now. As I have said for years we need to get bigger, stronger, tougher and nastier kids.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 19, 2010 11:50:58 GMT -5
Totally agree with RDF here. If Adams wants to come, without a doubt, we take him. He sounds more like Onuaku than Aboya to me, and that is a player type that we absolutely need (assuming he's a bit better than Onuaku at shooting FTs ;D).
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Post by dreamhoya on Oct 19, 2010 12:28:03 GMT -5
First of all, i think Benimon is a 3. Second, don't sleep on him, he's ultra talented and will be a force by year 4. Not sure any player will work any harder than he.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 19, 2010 12:53:50 GMT -5
I think it is funny that we just went through two years where we scrounged to find three bigs to play - we had about 1.5.
I don't know how people can be so confident about:
1. A senior Henry Sims who, even as a supporter, I can't chalk him up for quality starter minutes. 2. Three players who have never seen a minute of college ball, none of whom are ranked all that much higher than ... Henry Sims.
There's safety in numbers. If Adams is good enough to offer; there's no waiting on someone else. If Ochefu is that good, he's not scared.
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