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Post by redskins12820 on May 23, 2010 23:26:37 GMT -5
3 words: Chicken Finger Thursdays
(assuming they still exist)
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Post by kchoya on May 24, 2010 10:33:43 GMT -5
Way to take things seriously entering early. Seriously--get in a damn gym!! Way to assume you know what's going on (typical for you). Maybe he had a 12.2% body fat and has been working for a month and it's down and going to keep going down. We really don't know, but it's sure fun to make wild assumptions.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 24, 2010 10:40:19 GMT -5
Cousins is at 16.4%. Orton at 13.8%. Gallon at 15.1%. Caracter at 12.8%. Pittman at 20.8%. Ed Davis at 11.0%.
Yes, there are a few guys -- like Derrick Favors -- who are obviously in better shape, but Greg's hardly the outlier for big men. Someone like Solomon Alabi is at 5.0%, which given his light weight, is too low for many NBA scouts.
Taking that aside, the measurement here is likely just one of those caliper things (hardly scientific), and frankly, even if Greg could turn 5 lbs (2%) of fat into muscle, isn't that just upside?
What good GM would view a right-about-average body fat for a big man as a character flaw instead of an opportunity?
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Post by SSHoya on May 24, 2010 10:46:04 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on May 24, 2010 11:08:55 GMT -5
Taking that aside, the measurement here is likely just one of those caliper things (hardly scientific), and frankly, even if Greg could turn 5 lbs (2%) of fat into muscle, isn't that just upside? That's the key. There's two ways to look at it: 1. That's he's lazy and hasn't been working out and isn't serious about this. 2. That he's played pretty well in college at that body habitus* and if he gets into better shape, his "athleticism" will "improve" making him an even better prospect. Also, I get the impression that Monroe didn't leave campus the day after the season ended and that he stayed and finished his classes, which would limit (somewhat) his time t focus 100% on getting ready for the draft. Of course, I may be mistaken on this point. * Been going through too many medical records at work lately.
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Post by kchoya on May 24, 2010 11:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 24, 2010 11:14:51 GMT -5
Yes, but can we agree that big men are simply going to have higher body fat, and at times it can actually be an asset? I guess my point is, once you factor in the big man aspect, the lack of true scientific measurement, the body type aspect, etc., it's not like this measurement is some damning indictment. Then throw in that if you believe he could work out more, well that's upside to his athleticism.
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Post by kchoya on May 24, 2010 12:58:46 GMT -5
Chad Ford today:
More measurement movement
Georgia Tech's Derrick Favors also got a boost from the measurements. He's a legit 6-10, has a 7-2 wingspan and a 9-2 standing reach. Those numbers are actually very close to Howard and better than the Atlanta Hawks' Al Horford. If he projects as a center in the NBA, he too could get some strong consideration with the No. 2 pick.
"Favors doesn't have the offensive game that Cousins has," another GM told me. "But he's a better athlete, a better defender and when the two of them met head-to-head in high school, Favors kicked Cousins' butt. Had he got going earlier at Georgia Tech, he could've been, probably should've been, the No. 1 pick."
Another big man who got a little bump from the measurements was Georgetown's Greg Monroe. Monroe measured 6-11 in shoes with a 7-2 wingspan. That's plenty big to play center in the NBA and will likely temper some of the concerns about his lack of elite athleticism.
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Post by RDF on May 24, 2010 14:12:38 GMT -5
My comment was meant to be sarcastic. I could care how they "test"--it's how you play that matters.
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Post by kchoya on May 24, 2010 14:18:57 GMT -5
My comment was meant to be sarcastic. I could care how they "test"--it's how you play that matters. Unfortunately, I've heard others that believe that sentiment.
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 25, 2010 10:11:58 GMT -5
Durant could only do one rep of the bench press. Durant is still pretty good. I don't think 11% body fat will matter.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 26, 2010 12:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on May 26, 2010 14:33:49 GMT -5
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Post by JS on May 26, 2010 14:39:13 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 31, 2010 11:07:18 GMT -5
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Post by jester on Jun 1, 2010 12:10:51 GMT -5
Same website witha rticle saying Greg ideally (draft + fit wise) ends up at Pistons (plan B is Cousins not there at 7). States that Greg not in top three options for anyone else, save Utah, where they think he will be gone.
Essentially sees Cousins to Kings, but Warriors preferring Patterson/Aminu to Monroe. I think Warriors have options, with Monroe not as ideal NBAdraft claims b/c less proven shooter from outside (although clearly between Curry and him the duo would have good creativity and vision).
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 1, 2010 19:47:23 GMT -5
nbadraft.net has the Mavs picking our old friend Latavious near the end of the second round.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 4, 2010 23:36:18 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 5, 2010 9:14:21 GMT -5
It's interesting that Falk has been able to secure him individual workouts with all the teams. It's a good sign that greg is in high enough demand that teams are willing to agree to that stipulation in order to work him out. Gotta love greg: "Note to all draft prospects: Jazz GM Kevin O'Connor specifically mentioned Greg Monroe showing up in a coat and tie for today's workout." other notes from a Jazz beat writer: Monroe seemed pretty polished and said there was nothing he'd rather be doing on 20th birthday than working out for NBA team. Monroe on possibility of ending up in Utah: "I did like what I see. The people in the organization there’s no need to say anything about them, they’ve already established themselves." Worked out individually. From what we gather, Monroe only would have worked out against likes of Favors or Cousins. In other words, only players against whom a strong showing could potentially boost his draft stock. O'Connor saw Greg Monroe play four - - FOUR! - - times in person this season, which tells you how extensively Jazz scouted for lottery pick. and some more stuff: blogs.sltrib.com/jazz/index.php?p=17021&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 6, 2010 9:56:34 GMT -5
[a href="http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?year=2009%2F10&q=base&per=pergame&qual=sec2010&sort=6&min=20&stage=all&league=NCAA&conference=0&Compare=Submit+Comparison&pos=C&sort2=DESC&pid[34889]=34889&pid[43695]=43695&pid[44301]=44301&pid[44603]=44603&pid[44490]=44490&pid[10930]=10930"]http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?year=2009%2F10&q=base&per=pergame&qual=sec2010&sort=6&min=20&stage=all&league=NCAA&conference=0&Compare=Submit+Comparison&pos=C&sort2=DESC&pid[34889]=34889&pid[43695]=43695&pid[44301]=44301&pid[44603]=44603&pid[44490]=44490&pid[10930]=10930[/a]
Statistical comparison of greg and his main competition.
at the top you can change the category of stats being compared.
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