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Post by lucky on Mar 18, 2010 21:19:08 GMT -5
I agree Greg is talented. However, talented and being able to carry a team are two seperate things. Reggie carried a team otherwise devoid of talent to the final eight. Give him two other MCDs all American and mail in the national championship. Desire wins these games over talent. I love GU and have never ever taken a class there. I have only walked admist the building on my vacations when I fly down to cheer the team on from my seats.
But as a student athlete, you have to bring it, in my mind, if you want praise from me. Patrick Ewing brought it. Reggie Williams brought it, Deke and Alonzo brought it. If you want your name mentioned with them, them bring it on the court....if not, try to get drafted and get lost.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 18, 2010 21:21:33 GMT -5
Trying to be as fair as possible to the kid after one of the most disappointing efforts in school history... Greg's numbers improved this year compared to last year. Part of it was his own improvement; he got a bit stronger and that definitely increased his scoring and rebounding numbers. His handle improved marginally, and the work he put in to increase his endurance definitely showed. However, the same concerns that many pro scouts have had about him all year really haven't been alleviated. Too many times he still disappears, despite the fact this year's team was much better about getting him touches than last year's team. For the most part he's still a below-the-rim type player; the kind of guy who wants to shoot layups and fadeaways moreso than taking the ball to the tin and dunking over someone. And I'd also bring up suspect maturity; too much yapping at the refs, too much yapping at teammates, and not enough assuming of responsibility as a team leader. Could another year help him? I think so. He could stand to work on several aspects of his game, such as defense (totally non-existent today along with everyone else), a consistently competent move to his right, and free throw shooting are a few I can think of off the top of my head. And a prolonged run in the NCAA tournament where he contributed heavily to the team's success probably wouldn't hurt his stock either. Bottom line is the last 2 games really exposed his flaws. As a friend of mine put it, "I know if I have a lottery pick, a kid who couldnt carry his team past a 7-9 MAC team is not the guy I want bring my NBA team back to the playoffs." I agree wholeheartedly with this. In my estimation, any NBA team taking him with a top-10 pick RIGHT NOW is doing themselves a disservice. For what it's worth, I've mostly seen him projected as the #7 pick in the draft, and EVERYONE I've seen has him going in the top 10. So, you're entitled to your opinion, but that opinion just isn't consistent with the consensus. This kid's gonna be a top 10 pick - that's tough to pass up. Don't disagree with you at all, and if he declares he is likely Top 10. But if he leaves now, given his performance to date and probable potential, I'd be willing to bet that the team that takes him will be less than thrilled 3-4 years down the line with what they got. Think about it... Jeff Green went 5th. The gap between what Green was when he left (and what we knew he could end up becoming) and what Monroe is now if he leaves (and what we think he could end up becoming) is pretty large for just 2 slots.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 18, 2010 21:23:16 GMT -5
IMO, Greg is not ready. IMO, he would also be totally justified in leaving. So whatever, its up to him, it would be a lose but not Jeff Green level.
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Post by butler on Mar 18, 2010 21:23:53 GMT -5
I think he stays. Has a lot of room to improve (shot & handle primarily) and a very good team to return to.
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Post by Boz on Mar 18, 2010 21:24:24 GMT -5
Until I have reason to believe otherwise, I choose to take Greg at his word tonight.
He has never given us a reason not to do so, after all.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 18, 2010 21:25:53 GMT -5
Until I have reason to believe otherwise, I choose to take Greg at his word tonight. He has never given us a reason not to do so, after all. What'd he say? Anyone got a link to the post-game press conference?
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Mar 18, 2010 21:27:07 GMT -5
If Greg comes back, we can contend for a title next year. If he doesn't, seems like it'll be a few years.
Boz - I'd thank him if he came back.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Mar 18, 2010 21:27:24 GMT -5
Check big 16's post on Page one of this thread.
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Post by Boz on Mar 18, 2010 21:27:45 GMT -5
If Greg comes back, we can contend for a title next year. If he doesn't, seems like it'll be a few years. Boz - I'd thank him if he came back. Well played, sir.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 18, 2010 21:27:56 GMT -5
Until I have reason to believe otherwise, I choose to take Greg at his word tonight. He has never given us a reason not to do so, after all. That is true. I wouldn't blame him though if he changed his mind though. And we said the same thing about Dajuan last year. But I do think it proves its not a for gone conclusion as some here like to beleive.
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Post by whatmaroon on Mar 18, 2010 21:31:57 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Mar 18, 2010 21:35:22 GMT -5
Damn you and your ambiguity, Greg!!!!!!!! ;D Seriously, I hope you meant "wasn't your last game," not "wasn't too early." But good luck to you whatever you decide. We're proud to have you as a Hoya, whether it be active or not.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 18, 2010 21:36:56 GMT -5
Listen, Greg seems like a terrific kid and has talent that so few possess on the court. But all guys have faults, Greg has to find an inner motivation to play hard more consistently and we know he is not a natural leader. Hopefully, he finds that motivation at this level or the next. Regardless of his decision, I think CW now securely holds the "leader" title for the team next season and that may solve some problems on it own.
I hope he gets away from the emotion and makes the decision that best serves he and his family.
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Post by Dhall on Mar 18, 2010 21:41:18 GMT -5
First, Greg did not lose the game tonight at all. The failure to have/execute a defensive gameplan lost the game - if anyone, it was the coaches and the guards.
Second, basketball is a team sport. Greg should not be asked to carry a team and that is not JTIII's approach and it is not usually a winning formula. One of his best attributes is his unselfishness and he shouldn't be criticized for being a team player.
Third, Greg has handled himself really well as far as I can tell in representing the university. Listening to the post-game press conference made me proud of Georgetown despite the massive disappointment.
BUT, Greg really can greatly improve with another year of hard work. Jump shot, defense, fewer turnovers, "traditional" post moves are all areas to work on before playing serious minutes in the NBA. He'd be better served doing it for one more year here at Georgetown. I think the parallels to Jeff Green are striking. I think that Greg and JTIII and even an agent like David Falk will all conclude that the best thing to do from a long term perspective is to return for another year. I think Greg is smart. He will come back.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 18, 2010 21:43:43 GMT -5
Not the best way to go out... Count me on the group that thinks Greg needs more seasoning and more work on: FTs, jumper, DEFENSE!, dribbling, holding on to the ball, going to his other side, etc... The NBA coaches and players will take his game away if he's so predictable. We need to add some fire to this group. We were back to the slouching body language of the February slide.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 18, 2010 21:50:37 GMT -5
Good luck & props to Greg regardless of his decision. It's really a shame how some of our "fans" do not appreciate our guys. Plus a crapload. One game was all it was. One really poorly timed un-Hoyalike performance. If he leaves, there's no way you can even question it. I feel badly that it ended this way for him if it was the end because, contrary to what the scouts say, I've not seen a lack of emotion or passion or motor or whatever the hell you wanna call it from him this year. And Chris Wright is quickly climbing my ladder of favorite Hoyas ever for his sheer desire. His competitiveness outweighs any questionable decision he's ever made with the balll. Give me a team full of kids with his heart and I'd never question a single thing about this team.
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Post by the_way on Mar 18, 2010 21:51:30 GMT -5
why should we be worried if Greg leaves or not?
honestly.
we got bigger problems on this team than whether not Greg leaves.
frankly, Greg has shown very little in terms of his impact on his team. first round exit in the NIT and first round exit in the NCAA in 2 years. Othella did better than that in his 1st 2 years here, and he had less talent around him than Greg does. Othella was a 4 year player. Greg is a lotto pick by default.
I think it would be in Greg's best interest to stay a year (better yet...2 years) if he wants to be a good NBA player. Because right now, all he can do is pass real well. And in the NBA, passing as a center isn't necessarily a hot commodity.
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Post by guru on Mar 18, 2010 21:54:32 GMT -5
why should we be worried if Greg leaves or not? honestly. we got bigger problems on this team than whether not Greg leaves. frankly, Greg has shown very little in terms of his impact on his team. first round exit in the NIT and first round exit in the NCAA in 2 years. Othella did better than that in his 1st 2 years here, and he had less talent around him than Greg does. Othella was a 4 year player. Greg is a lotto pick by default. I think it would be in Greg's best interest to stay a year (better yet...2 years) if he wants to be a good NBA player. Because right now, all he can do is pass real well. And in the NBA, passing as a center isn't necessarily a hot commodity. God Almighty the kid had an off game tonight and you are ready to bury him? You call yourself a Hoyas fan? And you don't think Monroe did anything for this team? Did you watch ANY of the Big East Tournament? You seem way too eager to jump on this kid and this team. Grow up.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 18, 2010 21:56:59 GMT -5
why should we be worried if Greg leaves or not? honestly. we got bigger problems on this team than whether not Greg leaves. frankly, Greg has shown very little in terms of his impact on his team. first round exit in the NIT and first round exit in the NCAA in 2 years. Othella did better than that in his 1st 2 years here, and he had less talent around him than Greg does. Othella was a 4 year player. Greg is a lotto pick by default. I think it would be in Greg's best interest to stay a year (better yet...2 years) if he wants to be a good NBA player. Because right now, all he can do is pass real well. And in the NBA, passing as a center isn't necessarily a hot commodity. Yes. All he does is pass well and nearly average a double-double every night. Other than that, there's not much to him. We're a bunch of ungrateful Editeds.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 18, 2010 21:58:24 GMT -5
David Falk is calling.
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