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Post by bmartin on Mar 16, 2010 18:48:16 GMT -5
From KenPom Ohio is an unlucky team which is another way of saying their stats are better than their record which is another way of saying they lost quite a few close games.
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Post by jgalt on Mar 16, 2010 20:16:16 GMT -5
Back to some relevance -- though not necessarily thread title relevance (sorry again, Dan) -- I think a lot of people are enamored with Cornell because of how well they played Kansas and, to a lesser extent, Syracuse (though I'm not sure how many people actually saw that earlier game). And they deserve a lot of credit for playing two #1 seeds to close. They are good. Still, I expect Temple to handle them with little to no problem. It won't be a blowout, because Temple isn't really a high scoring team, but they'll stifle Cornell pretty well is my guess. If they werent up against Temple, Cornell would be making it to the second weekend. Temple plays Cornell's game, just a little better on the defensive end and has played much better competition. It is a shame that one of these teams has to lose. Stupid selection committee. |
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Post by Filo on Mar 16, 2010 21:04:38 GMT -5
Back to some relevance -- though not necessarily thread title relevance (sorry again, Dan) -- I think a lot of people are enamored with Cornell because of how well they played Kansas and, to a lesser extent, Syracuse (though I'm not sure how many people actually saw that earlier game). And they deserve a lot of credit for playing two #1 seeds to close. They are good. Still, I expect Temple to handle them with little to no problem. It won't be a blowout, because Temple isn't really a high scoring team, but they'll stifle Cornell pretty well is my guess. If they werent up against Temple, Cornell would be making it to the second weekend. Temple plays Cornell's game, just a little better on the defensive end and has played much better competition. It is a shame that one of these teams has to lose. Stupid selection committee. Totally agree. I would be rooting for both of those teams to go as far as possible. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 16, 2010 21:46:56 GMT -5
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 17, 2010 6:52:58 GMT -5
from wash posts lizs article WHAT A TEAM OHIO sounds like a huggy bear team.. three suspensions one mj charge and bassett five schools in six years.. went to ohio cause quarter system allowed him to play quicker wooww and he was kicked outa iu for disciplinary reasons sounds like he can play but wowoow do i appreciate our guys maybe not perfect but not huggy bearish GO HOYAS BEAT OHIO BE TOUGH FORTY MINUTES OF HELL  |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 17, 2010 9:29:04 GMT -5
We obviously need to win this one for the integrity of college basketball and all those innocent fresh-faced young lads who right now are practicing their set shots on the basket nailed above the barn door.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 17, 2010 19:10:38 GMT -5
If we win tomorrow, the only potential downside will be the arrival of HifiVol in advance of Saturday's game.
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Post by chep3 on Mar 18, 2010 8:24:41 GMT -5
So attempting to learn more about this team from Kenpom.com, and it seems like they do a lot of things pretty averagely. They do a good job of the following: making their FTs (although only slightly above average in getting there), getting steals (although they're not great at turning people over), and forcing opponents to shoot poorly from 3 (leading to a good defensive effective FG%). The two things that scare me about any team we play are 3P% and rebounding. They look to be a decent from 3, but a bad rebounding team. I'm also fine with them doing a good job of defending 3's because if they plan on extending their defense to contest all of our shooters, Greg should have a field day inside.
Ok, that's all I can glean from a 2 minute perusal.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 18, 2010 8:33:59 GMT -5
Looking at the individual stats at the bottom:
Tommy freeman is their vesion of austin freeman only he uses less possessions. But he has a great Ortg and Efg% and TS%.
Washington and keely have pretty good OR%s so keep them off the boards.
Basset will take a lot of shots and draw a lot of fouls, can't have him parading to the charity stripe. Washignton also draws a lot of fouls.
Cooper has good assist and steal numbers.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 18, 2010 8:58:18 GMT -5
Looking at the individual stats at the bottom: Tommy freeman is their vesion of austin freeman only he uses less possessions. But he has a great Ortg and Efg% and TS%. Washington and keely have pretty good OR%s so keep them off the boards. Basset will take a lot of shots and draw a lot of fouls, can't have him parading to the charity stripe. Washignton also draws a lot of fouls. Cooper has good assist and steal numbers. Tommy Freeman does nothing except shoot threes. His D&D stats might be similar but he's a spot-up shooter and nothing more, FYI. I don't mean the D&D as derogatory towards the analysis, just wanted to point out that he's efficient because every shot he takes is a three and he's good at making them. He's not half the ballplayer Austin is even for his conference level. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 18, 2010 9:11:28 GMT -5
Fair enough.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Mar 18, 2010 9:22:12 GMT -5
Looking at the individual stats at the bottom: Tommy freeman is their vesion of austin freeman only he uses less possessions. But he has a great Ortg and Efg% and TS%. Washington and keely have pretty good OR%s so keep them off the boards. Basset will take a lot of shots and draw a lot of fouls, can't have him parading to the charity stripe. Washignton also draws a lot of fouls. Cooper has good assist and steal numbers. Tommy Freeman does nothing except shoot threes. His D&D stats might be similar but he's a spot-up shooter and nothing more, FYI. I don't mean the D&D as derogatory towards the analysis, just wanted to point out that he's efficient because every shot he takes is a three and he's good at making them. He's not half the ballplayer Austin is even for his conference level. Wait, derogatory toward D&D players? Or derogatory toward "Pomer-ite" statheads? |
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Post by Buckets on Mar 18, 2010 9:25:36 GMT -5
Tommy Freeman also went to Muncie Central in Indiana which means the Ohio team orobably can't even watch Hoosiers! These guys have no chance!
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 18, 2010 9:34:32 GMT -5
Tommy Freeman does nothing except shoot threes. His D&D stats might be similar but he's a spot-up shooter and nothing more, FYI. I don't mean the D&D as derogatory towards the analysis, just wanted to point out that he's efficient because every shot he takes is a three and he's good at making them. He's not half the ballplayer Austin is even for his conference level. Wait, derogatory toward D&D players? Or derogatory toward "Pomer-ite" statheads? Derogatory towards Pomeroy. His stats are great and are very useful. But individual o-rating is not necessarily a great measure of a ballplayer simply because a guy like Tommy Freeman has to be facilitated. So his impact is limited to one dimension for which the defense has to plan. Put it this way, Austin and Tommy might have similar O-ratings but stopping Tommy is about closing out on him on the perimeter. Stopping Austin is someone's JOB all day. Very different basketball impact. Edit: Did you mean actual D&D players as a joke or basketball players with great D&D stats? If it's the former, I just got it. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 18, 2010 9:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 18, 2010 10:26:32 GMT -5
Basketball prospectus thoughts:
Ohio: References to Ohio as the MAC’s "#9 seed" are misleading, as the conference has an East/West split that makes the SEC’s yawning divide look like a crack in the ceiling. The Bobcats were no worse than the third-best team in the conference, and feature a Big 11 escapee in Armon Bassett. The former Hoosier isn’t a shooter, but he is a scorer, getting to the line frequently. This isn’t your Miami of Ohio-style MAC team; Ohio was 65th in the country in pace and doesn’t mind taking the transition baskets when they’re available. In the MAC championship game against Akron they were at their best when playing fastest. They don’t shoot very well in the halfcourt (227th in the country on twos), so they need to get layups and transition threes. It’s not at all clear that their foul-prone frontcourt can handle Georgetown’s size and strength inside, so while Ohio is no easy out, the matchup here is not at all a good one for them and could well produce a blowout.
Georgetown: The Hoyas got waxed by Notre Dame and West Virginia because they have no plan for playing without Austin Freeman, or for that matter any starter. Just three teams get fewer minutes from their bench. You might recall that the Hoyas played four games in four days last week, while managing Freeman's diabetes. They have no margin for error, and while Ohio won't threaten them and they can get by Tennessee with some difficulty, Evan Turner presents a matchup problem in the Sweet 16 that they won't solve.
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Post by therealohio on Mar 18, 2010 10:38:42 GMT -5
Tommy Freeman is probably the nations leader in charges taken... He is one of those kids whose efforts go far beyond the stat sheet..
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Post by chep3 on Mar 18, 2010 10:50:45 GMT -5
So basicallly, as I read this, we just need to limit their transition opportunities and close out on their two shooters. The first we can do by taking care of the ball and taking good shoots, something we did quite well in NY. The latter, we struggle with at time. But if we can close out on Marquette, I'm sure we can close out on Ohio's guards.
Just need to come ready to play. I want to see the mindset from our guys that we had last week. If we come out playing sloppy, not only will we be in big trouble for the rest of the tourney, we might be in trouble tonight. I hope we aren't thinking about all the love we've been getting from the press after our run in the BET. If we come out, play hard, dot our i's and cross our t's, we'll be moving on without issue.
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Post by superan on Mar 18, 2010 10:51:40 GMT -5
Ohio sounds a lot like USF, actually. Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.
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Post by TC on Mar 18, 2010 11:33:52 GMT -5
Does Tommy Freeman have a 27 Charisma with Nikes of Intelligence (+3)? I don't think so!
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