#3 Georgetown- #14 Ohio 1st Rd.Discussion

[jgalt]

Mar 15, 2010 19:06:19 GMT -5 PDRHoya99 said:

Mar 15, 2010 16:55:12 GMT -5 jgalt said:

Slimmy da'Bobcat is a smart guy. Sucks for his two teams to be playing each other in the first round.

Sports Bigamy is wrong. He had to learn this sooner or later. Thou Shalt Not Have More than One Team per Sport really should have been a commandment.

true, but there are 343 teams in DI bball so the odds of Gtown and Ohio playing each other is pretty slim.

[Filo]

Mar 15, 2010 19:06:19 GMT -5 PDRHoya99 said:

Mar 15, 2010 16:55:12 GMT -5 jgalt said:

Slimmy da'Bobcat is a smart guy. Sucks for his two teams to be playing each other in the first round.

Sports Bigamy is wrong. He had to learn this sooner or later. Thou Shalt Not Have More than One Team per Sport really should have been a commandment.

Funny and mostly true. But only 'mostly' because there is a reasonable "team you grew up with / college team" exception e.g. you grew up in Ohio and have always loved the Bobcats and then went to school at GU. Notice that the "undergrad / grad school" split does not count as a reasonable exception. The absolute worst example of that that I know of is a former friend and classmate who was a diehard Hoya fan as an undergrad and then went to med school at UNC and become a diehard Tar Heels fan. Haven't spoken to him since undergrad.

[lurkerhoya]

I grew up in NY rooting for St Johns and inherited my dad's allegiance to Philly hoops and Villanova. Needless to say that all changed by college.

Now, I'm at UVA for grad school and could care less about what happens at John Paul Jones.

[hoyasexy]

I look at the sports bigamy thing this way. Let's assume that NCAA football was grouped together the way basketball is, with everyone in the same division, including Florida and Georgetown. Of course, I would root for Georgetown, but I would probably also maintain an allegiance to another program that competes on a national scale (I tend to prefer Va. Tech). I'll enjoy the successes and mourn the losses of the secondary school, but if that school were to lock horns with the Hoyas in the college playoff system (it's my hypothetical - I can make the rules), I would root for GU all the way.

I'm sure it's the same way for Slimmy. His allegiance is to Ohio, but he has to hedge his bet a little to enjoy basketball on the national stage. There's always room on the bandwagon for another rider, even if he has to take a quick stop to get off every once in a while.

[CTHoya08]

Mar 15, 2010 20:38:59 GMT -5 Filo said:

Mar 15, 2010 19:06:19 GMT -5 PDRHoya99 said:

Sports Bigamy is wrong. He had to learn this sooner or later. Thou Shalt Not Have More than One Team per Sport really should have been a commandment.

Funny and mostly true. But only 'mostly' because there is a reasonable "team you grew up with / college team" exception e.g. you grew up in Ohio and have always loved the Bobcats and then went to school at GU. Notice that the "undergrad / grad school" split does not count as a reasonable exception. The absolute worst example of that that I know of is a former friend and classmate who was a diehard Hoya fan as an undergrad and then went to med school at UNC and become a diehard Tar Heels fan. Haven't spoken to him since undergrad.

Agree with this, although I'd be willing to wager quite a bit that he's an Ohio alum who adopted the Hoyas as his national team, rather than a GU alum who has some love for his hometown MAC school. As for the grad school thing, I kind of secretly root against mine, in no small part due to the "Jeff Green traveled" BS that is still a mantra down here.

[JohnnyJones]

Mar 15, 2010 19:06:19 GMT -5 PDRHoya99 said:

Mar 15, 2010 16:55:12 GMT -5 jgalt said:

Slimmy da'Bobcat is a smart guy. Sucks for his two teams to be playing each other in the first round.

Sports Bigamy is wrong. He had to learn this sooner or later. Thou Shalt Not Have More than One Team per Sport really should have been a commandment.

HoyaTalk has its own bigamist who I was surprised to see posting on a Duke board (as a Duke supporter to be clear) leading up to the 1-30-10 game. Was very eloquent and fair in his analysis, but a bigamist nonetheless.

[CAHoya07]

Interesting discussion. I grew up a Stanford fan but traded in those colors when I arrived on the Hilltop in 2003. The 2003-04 season was a weird one - Stanford was #1 and undefeated for a good part of the season in what turned out to be Mike Montgomery's final year with the Cardinal, while Georgetown was suffering its worst season in 30 years in what turned out to be the last season of Esh's much shorter tenure with the Hoyas. Even then, I knew that the Hoyas were by far my #1, and that only intensified with JT3. I still follow Stanford basketball and football on occasion, though much less than before. One of my sisters also goes to Cal, played field hockey there for three years and hates Stanford, further complicating my allegiances.

I think it's OK to have a #2 that you occasionally root for, as long as the Hoyas are far and away your #1. It's like having a back-up. But there should never be split allegiances. None of this wearing a Giants hat and an A's shirt, like I sometimes see in the Bay Area. I think that's where this Ohio/Georgetown fan went wrong.

I can also see myself adopting the football team of a possible grad school if I go to a school that has a FBS program. I love college football (minus the lack of a playoff), but don't really have a team - Stanford or Cal, maybe, I follow them both, and love the Big Game. I wish I could support Georgetown football more - but they're FCS, and a lost cause. If they got good, maybe.

Veering off course though... Let's beat the Bobcats on Thursday. No let down.

[professorhoya]

If we beat Ohio, I would much rather have SDSU than Tenn. Tenn has a very big line up like WVA which means they can crash the boards with 4 starters 6-7 and above.

Physically I think SDSU is a much better matchup.


Tenessee:
Starters: G Scotty Hopson, 6-7, So. (13.1 ppg, 1.2 apg, 1.0 spg); F-C Wayne Chism, 6-9, Sr. (12.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 1.2 spg); G Bobby Maze, 6-3, Sr. (9.5 ppg, 3.2 apg, 82.4 FT%); G J.P. Prince, 6-7, Sr. (9.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 3.0 apg, 50.3 FG%); C Brian Williams, 6-10, Jr. (5.0 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 49.4 FG%)

Reserves: G Melvin Goins, 5-11, Jr. (5.6 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 1.6 apg) G Cameron Tatum, 6-6, So. (7.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 50.0 FG%)

SDSU:
Starters: F Kawhi Leonard, 6-7, Fr. (12.6 ppg, 9.6 rpg); F Malcolm Thomas, 6-9, Jr. (11.1 ppg, 7.9 rpg); F Billy White, 6-8, Jr. (10.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 57.6 FG%); G D.J. Gay, 6-0, Jr. (10.6 ppg, 3.2 apg); G Kelvin Davis, 6-3, Sr. (6.7 ppg).

Reserves: G Chase Tapley, 6-2, Fr. (7.8 ppg); F Tyrone Shelley, 6-9, So. (6.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg); C Brian Carlwell, 6-11, Jr. (5.0 ppg, 62.2 FG%).

[superan]

The problem is that despite Tennessee's size they are not a great rebounding team (decent, but not great) whereas SDSU is an extremely capable rebounding team. I saw them once this year and I thought they were as good as WVU in terms of hustling to the boards and grabbing those "50-50" balls.

[hoyatables]

Mar 15, 2010 20:55:02 GMT -5 lurkerhoya said:

I grew up in NY rooting for St Johns and inherited my dad's allegiance to Philly hoops and Villanova. Needless to say that all changed by college.

Now, I'm at UVA for grad school and could care less about what happens at John Paul Jones.

Lurker, you and I were apparently separated at birth (minus the Villanova thing). Also grew up a Johnnie, became a Hoya in undergrad, and never actually "took" to being a Cavalier in law school.

[hoyadestroya]

Is it wrong to be a fan of the college fball team of the color that shall be unnamed? Is all about the tailgating. My college bball allegiance would never be second guessed though.

[jgalt]

Mar 16, 2010 8:14:17 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

If we beat Ohio, I would much rather have SDSU than Tenn. Tenn has a very big line up like WVA which means they can crash the boards with 4 starters 6-7 and above.

Physically I think SDSU is a much better matchup.


Tenessee:
Starters: G Scotty Hopson, 6-7, So. (13.1 ppg, 1.2 apg, 1.0 spg); F-C Wayne Chism, 6-9, Sr. (12.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 1.2 spg); G Bobby Maze, 6-3, Sr. (9.5 ppg, 3.2 apg, 82.4 FT%); G J.P. Prince, 6-7, Sr. (9.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 3.0 apg, 50.3 FG%); C Brian Williams, 6-10, Jr. (5.0 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 49.4 FG%)

Reserves: G Melvin Goins, 5-11, Jr. (5.6 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 1.6 apg) G Cameron Tatum, 6-6, So. (7.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 50.0 FG%)

SDSU:
Starters: F Kawhi Leonard, 6-7, Fr. (12.6 ppg, 9.6 rpg); F Malcolm Thomas, 6-9, Jr. (11.1 ppg, 7.9 rpg); F Billy White, 6-8, Jr. (10.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 57.6 FG%); G D.J. Gay, 6-0, Jr. (10.6 ppg, 3.2 apg); G Kelvin Davis, 6-3, Sr. (6.7 ppg).

Reserves: G Chase Tapley, 6-2, Fr. (7.8 ppg); F Tyrone Shelley, 6-9, So. (6.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg); C Brian Carlwell, 6-11, Jr. (5.0 ppg, 62.2 FG%).

According to Kenpom, they are both, based on Effective hieght, about the same (1.7 v 1.6 inches above average). But SD St is the 9th best offensive rebounding team in the country, while Tenn is 195.

And team decent at rebounding is going to kill gtown. Just the way it is. the best way to combat it is to shoot well on the offensive end and hold the other team to low quality shots. It is easier to beat a team at your own game than at their game

[hoya9797]

Mar 16, 2010 9:35:28 GMT -5 hoyadestroya said:

Is it wrong to be a fan of the college fball team of the color that shall be unnamed? Is all about the tailgating. My college bball allegiance would never be second guessed though.

Yes, it is wrong. There is no excuse to support Syracuse or Notre Dame in any way.

[vcjack]

I spent halftime of the Davidson game wandering around the concourse of the RBC center steeling myself for the fact that my favorite team was going to be playing my second favorite team (Wisconsin) in the sweet 16.

good times...

[FrazierFanatic]

Mar 15, 2010 20:38:59 GMT -5 Filo said:

Mar 15, 2010 19:06:19 GMT -5 PDRHoya99 said:

Sports Bigamy is wrong. He had to learn this sooner or later. Thou Shalt Not Have More than One Team per Sport really should have been a commandment.

Funny and mostly true. But only 'mostly' because there is a reasonable "team you grew up with / college team" exception e.g. you grew up in Ohio and have always loved the Bobcats and then went to school at GU. Notice that the "undergrad / grad school" split does not count as a reasonable exception. The absolute worst example of that that I know of is a former friend and classmate who was a diehard Hoya fan as an undergrad and then went to med school at UNC and become a diehard Tar Heels fan. Haven't spoken to him since undergrad.

I grew up 20 miles from Syracuse and was a big Orangeboy fan rightn up until I started law school at Georgetown - then after an intense exorcism drove out the demons, I was truly saved, and am now nauseated by the color orange. I am a pretty strong fan of the local Siena team and will root for them this week - but if there was a game against the Hoyas, I would sneak down and taint their pre-game meal in a second.

[kchoya]

Hoyas win the Atlantic 11 (again):

voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/03/georgetown_wins_atlantic_11_fo.html

[b52legend]

Mar 15, 2010 20:38:59 GMT -5 Filo said:

Mar 15, 2010 19:06:19 GMT -5 PDRHoya99 said:

Sports Bigamy is wrong. He had to learn this sooner or later. Thou Shalt Not Have More than One Team per Sport really should have been a commandment.

Funny and mostly true. But only 'mostly' because there is a reasonable "team you grew up with / college team" exception e.g. you grew up in Ohio and have always loved the Bobcats and then went to school at GU. Notice that the "undergrad / grad school" split does not count as a reasonable exception. The absolute worst example of that that I know of is a former friend and classmate who was a diehard Hoya fan as an undergrad and then went to med school at UNC and become a diehard Tar Heels fan. Haven't spoken to him since undergrad.

The "team you grew up with/ college team" exception has to be present. I spent my entire life in Arkansas prior to Gtown, where there are a) no pro sports teams of any sort and b) no college teams besides the University of Arkansas. Needless to say I became a huge fan and still am. That said, I am an equally huge Gtown fan, but them playing each other, a la 2001, would suck. I would root for Gtown, but would feel for the Hogs and it would be tough to see them lose. In my opinion, people who grew up with a multitude of sporting options to root for should not be given a pass on this topic. Only if you grew up in Arkansas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Montana or somewhere else remote with no real sports teams and limited college options should the exception apply.

[Boz]

I don't know much, but I know I would root for the Hoyas if they ever played the Baltimore Ravens, the Boston Bruins or the Italian national soccer team.

[SFHoya99]

Mar 16, 2010 11:27:46 GMT -5 Boz said:

the Italian national soccer team.

Boz hates America. Not surprising. ;D

[HoyaSC]

I'm pro-bigamy, but with these rules:

1. All loyalty first to undergraduate alma mater
2. If undergrad alma mater lacks a Div I-A football program, you are free to root for another school's football team. However, that school may not be a rival to your alma mater in another sport.

The second sentence of Part 2 is where it gets a little tricky. It would exclude Syracuse's football team. But would it exclude Pitt's football team? Maryland's?