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Post by guru on Feb 2, 2010 9:57:09 GMT -5
Benimon was so solid in his minutes against Duke - outside of the layup that he somehow managed to airball.
But I love what this kid brings. What a great pickup by JT3 and the staff - he really makes those HS scouting/ranking services look stupid with each passing game. Makes me wonder: Is there any other similarly under the radar freshman making significant contributions to a top 10 team? Or even a top 25 team? You could make the argument that Benimon could be the best signing in the country, in terms of what he has brought to a top tier team vs. what was expected.
Keep it up!
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Post by the_way on Feb 2, 2010 10:07:36 GMT -5
Reid really has no player that compares with him
Jerelle is nothing like him. Vaughn is nothing like Reid.
Reid was extremely athletic and agile for a guy of his size. He had a controlled fury about him. He wasn't demonstrative with his rage like Alonzo was. But Reid was a guy you wouldn't want to mess with. He was also a leader. I think JT2 assigned Reid as Iverson's roommate his freshman year, to look after him.
He had no offensive game whatsover. But he could rebound, block shots, bang, and run the floor quite well. As
Thats why he played as long as he did in the NBA, with no offensive game at all.
If you are a big guy, athletic, can run the floor, block shots, and rebound....you can last in the league then, and now.
Guys who do the dirty work without the stats, without the recognition, can still have a job in the NBA....even today.
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Post by guru on Feb 2, 2010 10:18:08 GMT -5
Reid really has no player that compares with him Jerelle is nothing like him. Vaughn is nothing like Reid. Reid was extremely athletic and agile for a guy of his size. He had a controlled fury about him. He wasn't demonstrative with his rage like Alonzo was. But Reid was a guy you wouldn't want to mess with. He was also a leader. I think JT2 assigned Reid as Iverson's roommate his freshman year, to look after him. He had no offensive game whatsover. But he could rebound, block shots, bang, and run the floor quite well. As Thats why he played as long as he did in the NBA, with no offensive game at all. If you are a big guy, athletic, can run the floor, block shots, and rebound....you can last in the league then, and now. Guys who do the dirty work without the stats, without the recognition, can still have a job in the NBA....even today. Not entirely disagreeing with you - and I put my comments about Jerelle in this thread because it seemed like the best fit, not because I totally buy the Reid comparison. But that said: If you're saying Reid could rebound, block shots, bang and run the floor well - how is that "nothing like" what Jerelle is bringing to this team? We don't really have a sense for Benimon's demeanor yet, but I do think there are some similarities in terms of the "lunch pail" mentality they bring to the court.
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Post by the_way on Feb 2, 2010 10:30:51 GMT -5
Jerelle is not athletic like Reid was.
Reid could play above the rim, whereas Jerelle is not like that either.
I would say Jerelle is further along than Reid was as a freshman. Reid played sparingly as a freshman backup center to Alonzo. And did the same backing up Othella. Reid really found his niche his junior year once Duane Spencer left early that year and he started in the frontcourt at PF with Othella at Center.
Reid and Jereele similarity they do share is that they lack an offensive game, but their contribution in other areas of the game is meaningful nonetheless. but you could say the same thing about Boubacar Aw or Victor Samnick.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 2, 2010 11:11:41 GMT -5
Jerrelle is going to be a better all-around offensive player. He's going to score and he already shows signs of being a decent passer and certainly handles the ball better than Don ever did. That said, Don was a foul machine until his junior year when he dropped a significant amount of weight and really turned into a defensive and rebounding force that I'm not sure it's fair to ever hope Jerrelle becomes.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 2, 2010 12:03:53 GMT -5
JERRELLE TOUGH ON D TOUGH ON THE BOARDS AND A FEW TIMES THIS YEAR SHOWED A GREAT HANDLE TO THE HOOP WITH PRETTY GOOD FINISH FOR A BIG BIG MAN.. GO HOYAS GO JERRELLE WILL NEED THAT BIG BODY ON WED IN OUR HOUSE go hoyas beat usf
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Post by prhoya on Feb 2, 2010 13:48:31 GMT -5
Jerrelle is going to be a better all-around offensive player. He's going to score and he already shows signs of being a decent passer and certainly handles the ball better than Don ever did. Jerelle's numbers in the last five games, the toughest stretch of the season, were: 17.4 mpg, 9 FTM/11 FTA, 2.4 ppg & 3.4 rpg. Not bad at all for the freshman surprise! His FT% is right up there with Freeman's... I enjoyed how Jerelle faked Singler into wrapping him up and fouling him, how calm he looked while shooting his FTs and directing everybody into position just before shooting them, just in case he missed.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 2, 2010 13:56:57 GMT -5
I like Benimon, but man, pr, that's some selective picking and choosing.
Jerelle also has an eFG% of 31%, a shot % of 7% (which is good, I guess, considering the other number), and a TO Rate of 37%. No, really.
I love that he is tough down low and really snatches rebounds, but while his D rebounding has really picked up -- nearly 20% -- better than anyone but Greg! his offensive rebounding is abysmal.
Probably because he's never down low. But still, he's playing PF most of the time.
I like Jerelle. I really like him against expectations and I see a lot in terms of strength and quickness, along with a pretty nice stroke where he's going to go to a very solid player soon. But the guy does seem to get a free pass on the fact that he's virtually non-existent on offense.
So, yeah, I think he's going to be a nice player. Maybe a poor man's Jerome Williams. But there's not a lot of reason to completely ignore some pretty big holes right now.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 2, 2010 14:43:37 GMT -5
As long as Jerelle as a putback to send us to the Sweet Sixteen, I'll be happy.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 2, 2010 14:44:07 GMT -5
I like Benimon, but man, pr, that's some selective picking and choosing. Yes, ;D, but, in the beginning of November, did you ever think we were going to get the numbers from JB that I pointed out against that kind of competition? I would have been happy if Sims was getting (deservedly) those 17 mins.
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Post by seaweed on Feb 2, 2010 17:56:26 GMT -5
no mention yet of III in the presser after Duke saying (essentially) - "yeah, Jerelle, what can I say, he is a presence". That expression itself seems to say "not loading up stats but having an impact", but maybe that is just my biased read. Let's not forget, while at (lowly) Fauquier he was netting quadruple doubles and averaging 22 - must have some O game somewhere in there, even if he is rarely higher than option 5 on the floor for us this year. He is not someone I worry about at all - gonna give us 4 great years
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 2, 2010 18:49:16 GMT -5
Jerelle is not athletic like Reid was. Reid could play above the rim, whereas Jerelle is not like that either. Stop. Those who have seen Jerrell outside of games have reported he is a tremendous athlete. Just because he hasn't touched the clouds yet for a dunk in a real game doesn't mean he can't. And let me mention that no one really saw that aspect of Reid's game his freshman season either. And I still ahve the tapes of those games. It wasn't until Don's senior season that one really began to realize how amazing his hops were. With that said I too don't think Jerrell and Don have similiar games.
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Feb 4, 2010 8:20:17 GMT -5
Whoever started this thread is delusional. Last night Benimon, AKA Don Reid, played for 19 minutes and came up with all ZERO's in the box score. Oh wait, he had 4 turnovers.
2 of which were terrible and led directly to baskets for USF.
Where is HENRY? At least he would have had a few rebounds, put backs or blocks.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 4, 2010 10:13:42 GMT -5
Yeah, Benimon was just about as awful as you could be last night. Cost us a lot of points. I think Vaughn should have played a little more. That said, this was an aberration compared to what Jerrelle's done so far. I hope he recovers with a good game against 'Nova.
Still, it would have been nice to see Henry for at least a couple minutes, especially when Benimon was clearly having an off night. Rightly so or not, I don't think III has much confidence in Henry at this point.
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Post by idhoya on Feb 4, 2010 14:59:59 GMT -5
I see Jerelle as a Draymond Green type. Undersized PF with offensive skills and warrior mentality. JB has to look to score more; Green burries the 15-footer on the regular.
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Post by Buckets on Feb 4, 2010 17:26:00 GMT -5
That said, this was an aberration compared to what Jerrelle's done so far. At this point he has basically had three good games (UConn, Nova, Pitt) and three really bad games (last three: Cuse, Duke, USF). In the last three he has played 58 minutes, grabbed 4 boards, scored 4 points, had 4 assists, and committed 9 turnovers.
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