Filo
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Post by Filo on Jan 4, 2010 9:35:39 GMT -5
Are you guys freaking KIDDING ME? Marquette isn't good? Marquette doesn't have our talent? wow. How pompus have we gotten as fans. Marquette is more than good enough to beat us. We're more than good enough to beat them. Hayward is one of the five best players in the league and him at the four has the potential to give us fits. They have guards. They are quick, they play the game hard for 40 minutes. And you know what? They're playing at home and they're desperate. We can beat this team. But for any of you who think this game will be anything short of a dogfight? You're kidding yourselves. C'mon. They're not that good this year. What are they 9 and 5 (with wins against Centenary, MD - Eastern Shore, Grambling State, SoDakota , Milwaukee, No Florida and Presbyterian)? We very well could lose this game because it's a Big East game and they are at home. But let's not pretend that every game we play, or every potential loss, in the Big East is against a Final Four Team. That's pompous.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 4, 2010 9:53:37 GMT -5
Meh, I will probably get killed for saying this, but I think this is a bad matchup for us. HoyaProspectus has been belaboring this, and I agree, but 10-12 turnovers a game isnt really good when you are playing 60 possession games, and the one thing Marquette is quite good at is getting steals/turnovers. Either we need to be incredibly efficient, or we play a little more up tempo. I just have a feeling JTIII knows this is going to be a little more up tempo. I wonder if that was part of the reason he rotated more guys on Sunday. Wasnt last year the game where it was something like 44-44 at half?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 4, 2010 10:18:15 GMT -5
Yeah i didn't mean to imply that this would be an easy slam dunk victory. I just don't think they're as good as us WV, Nova. But i do think they're capable of playing over their heads and playing better than us or those teams on a given night. I also think that they're capable of an off game where they aren't hitting and look terrible. Our team despite last year will always have a target on it. We'll always be a game that every other school gets up for and tries their best against.
Marquette has to do somethign wrong if they've lost as many games as they have while shooting as well as they have and forcing so many turn overs.
This is arguably the best team we've played to date when they're on. They're just not always on. They're 286th in consistency. Remember last years hoya team was in the 300s of this category( coincidentally ODU is very low in this category which explains their boom, bust so far this season)
I'm a believer in the fact that good defense beats good offense more often then not. So i'm thinking the 16th best defense(best in the big east) can hold the 16th best offense and our 45th best offense can score on their 62nd rated defense.
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JimmyHoya
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Post by JimmyHoya on Jan 4, 2010 11:35:29 GMT -5
It's pretty essential we go inside early, often and directly at Hayward. He's undersized and a crummy shot blocker and so long as we make good decisions and don't let him get easy steals when we feed the post there is no reason why we shouldn't smash them to bits down low.
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Post by thehandicapper on Jan 4, 2010 12:07:26 GMT -5
This will be the first game on the season Georgetown is not favored to win.
Should be a very good game. As others have stated this team is desperate for a win.
Does anyone know if the team went straight to Marquette after the DePaul game?
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 4, 2010 12:11:17 GMT -5
This will be the first game on the season Georgetown is not favored to win. Should be a very good game. As others have stated this team is desperate for a win. Does anyone know if the team went straight to Marquette after the DePaul game? This is second hand, but apparently the team is staying in Chicago and practicing at Northwestern's facilities (JT3 was Bill Carmody's assistant at Princeton)
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 4, 2010 12:25:20 GMT -5
This is second hand, but apparently the team is staying in Chicago and practicing at Northwestern's facilities (JT3 was Bill Carmody's assistant at Princeton) I wondered about this. I suppose it makes some sense, though its not like its a long flight. They could have been home in DC by dinner time last night, with 48 hours to kill before flying back. But maybe this is sort of a mini-retreat--nothing to focus on but basketball between these games. Will be interesting to see how the team comes out of this on Wednesday night.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 4, 2010 12:28:53 GMT -5
If there are any "easy" games on our Big East schedule... well, we just had ours on Sunday. The ONLY one!
From here on out, every game is either a TOUGH game, or an even TOUGHER game.
I saw a parts of several BE games over the past week. This conference is incredibly tough and physical this year... just as challenging as every other year. Not suggesting our guys aren't capable of being one of the best teams in the conference. But it is going to be a dogfight EVERY SINGLE GAME! Home and away.
No team is going undefeated in the BE conf. this year. Maybe we won't have 3 #1 seeds like last year because the very best teams aren't quite as good as the very best last year.
But on the other hand, the lower tier teams are a LOT tougher than last year. SJU, SHU, Cincy, USF.... everyone is pretty damn good. AND pretty hard-nosed in the paint.
Playing Marquette on the road? TOUGH game! As Coach says, just take them one game at a time. At the end of the season, we can poke our heads up and see where we are.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 4, 2010 17:15:04 GMT -5
Sounds like a tough game. They seem to cause turnovers and that is our achilles heal. Also, like so many have said they are desperate and you have to put a value on that along with the home court advantage. This will be a very tough game to win on the road. MU will eventually hit a soft spot in their schedule a roll off some wins so if we can win this one, it will be seen at the end of the year as a quality victory.
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Post by pfhoya86 on Jan 4, 2010 17:36:57 GMT -5
They have a good young guard in Darius Johnson-Odom. We played well last week in their loss at WV. He's shoting close to 58% from the 3 point line for the season.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 4, 2010 19:40:40 GMT -5
I wish I was going to this game. I just want to send another shout out to the midwestern crew, particularly Big Dog, who showed SFHoya and myself such a good time last year. Milwaukee was a blast and I highly recommend it for a road trip game.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 4, 2010 19:46:28 GMT -5
THIS WILL BE A WAR NUF SAID must come out and hustle for forty minutes and PROTECT THE BALL and freaking rebound.. go hoyas let the games begin ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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MassHoya
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Post by MassHoya on Jan 4, 2010 20:13:44 GMT -5
Lic is right. Rebound, protect the ball, play defense. No easy 3's.
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Post by tlphoya on Jan 4, 2010 20:41:57 GMT -5
This will be the first game on the season Georgetown is not favored to win. Should be a very good game. As others have stated this team is desperate for a win. Does anyone know if the team went straight to Marquette after the DePaul game? This is second hand, but apparently the team is staying in Chicago and practicing at Northwestern's facilities (JT3 was Bill Carmody's assistant at Princeton) Per Austin's latest tweet, the team is on the way to the United Center, which I'm assuming means they are checking out Jeff and OKC play the Bulls tonight. Pretty good timing for the team! Go OKC!!
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jan 4, 2010 21:44:16 GMT -5
Everyone's already said it but I'll summarize. This will be a tough game because: MQ always plays us tough (and they match up to their advantage against us), it's at their house, and they're already 0-2 in the BE. They also have an irrational dislike of us and think we're one of their rivals (accrdg to my fmr housemate, an '04 grad). Lazar Haywood is good (and he takes an enormous % of MQ's shots), but the guy I'm worried about is Jimmy Butler. 5th nationally in offensive rating, 65.5 eFG%, commits few turnovers, rebounds well, shoots over 90% FT . . . and he draws fouls at a high clip. Darious Johnson-Odom is also good. This game'll be a battle, make no mistake. I don't care that they haven't looked so hot for over a month. That team is going to come to play. That, or they'll blame the flu On Edit, one thing that should play to our advantage is height. They go 6-0, 6-2, 6-3, 6-6, 6-6, and their first guy off the bench 5-8.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 5, 2010 9:24:08 GMT -5
Who else thought that going into the year, Marquette & Pitt would be guaranteed W's? I know I did. With St. John's playing tough, Cincy playing well, Cuse putting it together with a lot of new faces, the league is much better then anticipated.
My tiers of squads in the BE:
Top Tier: WVU, Cuse, GTown, Nova, UConn,
Mid tier: Pitt, Cincy, LVille, ND, Marquette, St. John's, Seton Hall
Bottom Tier: USF, Providence, Depaul, Rutgers
I will admit, I haven't seen any of the other three in my bottom tier but I am just not buying these programs right now. It will be a tough year but you've got to sweep the bottom tier (5-0), win a majority of the mid-tier (5-2) and split with the top tier (3-3) to have a shot at the regular season title (13-5).
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 5, 2010 10:13:07 GMT -5
Who else thought that going into the year, Marquette & Pitt would be guaranteed W's? I know I did. Really? These are road games. The next guaranteed W at the Bradley Center or Peterson Events Center for anybody will be the first. Not to mention that both of these teams generally exceed preseason Big East expectations--besides us, the two winningest programs in Big East play since the conference expanded.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 5, 2010 10:14:43 GMT -5
I wish I was going to this game. I just want to send another shout out to the midwestern crew, particularly Big Dog, who showed SFHoya and myself such a good time last year. Milwaukee was a blast and I highly recommend it for a road trip game. I wish it were on a weekend like the past couple of years. Its not as much fun to (hopefully) celebrate a W if instead of spending hours at a bar you have to plan to get up for work the next morning.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 5, 2010 10:22:19 GMT -5
I'll admit that I naively thought with these teams loss of talent these games would be a lot easier than they appear now to be. Especially marquette since their coach has proven less then dixon has. Marquette was picked 12th in the league, if that is/ were accurate then it should be close to an automatic win.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2010 10:53:46 GMT -5
How is Pitt not top tier now? I didn't think they'd be this good, but I had no illusions that they'd be bad.
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