jester
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Post by jester on Jan 6, 2010 22:23:29 GMT -5
I know Chris landed on the wrist, but made free throws and a shot after...but don't remember him taking a shot or even being in the game much second half...I'll take the minutes for Hollis but this was something to do with it?
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 6, 2010 22:23:49 GMT -5
Marquette was favored. Why is this thread entitled Marquette Upsets Georgetown?
Marquette is shooting better than 42% on threes for the season. They were a little better than that tonight, but I think chances are this will be a good three point shooting team all year. Now Cubillan...that's not likely to happen again.
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Post by guru on Jan 6, 2010 22:24:26 GMT -5
Guru, name calling .. come on brother you better than that... It was a tough loss but its going to be ok. We will take it to Uconn I promise. name calling? I simply used a common nickname for rich. I agree on uconn
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Post by bhoyas on Jan 6, 2010 22:25:06 GMT -5
Greg Monroe needs to take over this type of game and play much stronger. Losing by 1pt with less than 50 seconds remaining he got the ball inside via pass from Wright and decided to put the ball on the floor instead of going straight up to the basket and lost it. Then, on the Freeman last play he was push around and flop to the outside. We need him to play stronger on those late stretches and carry us to victory.
Kudos to the rest of the team played well, although same issue defending the 3 pointers hasn't been corrected. Good things from Jerelle and Hollis give them more PT.
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Post by chep3 on Jan 6, 2010 22:25:25 GMT -5
People can make all the excuses they want, but the bottom line is this team can't use inexperience as an excuse for careless play. They keep playing so loose with the ball, they gonna be back in the three letter tournament, not the one with four. I didn't even we turned the ball over that much. I think we had 13 for the game, and at least 3 were off the ball offensive fouls (JV, JB, and Hollis). Hollis's shot needs to start dropping. It looks perfect every single time but it doesn't go down. Makes no sense to me. This is probably horribly wrong, but I can't help shake the feeling that if we had played D in the 1st half like we did in the 2nd, we'd have been fine. Not that we played great in the 2nd, but we overcommitted so much on shot fakes in the first that I feel like we let them get absurdly comfortable shooting the ball. They essentially had a 20 minute extended warmup, and so down the stretch they weren't going to miss anything. Marquette's a good team. Color me impressed. I'd like our chances against them in the BET, but they play hard. What I thought was interesting was Cubillan was so hot, yet he didn't seem to take a complete heatcheck shot. I feel like that's due to coaching. I like Crean-less MQ more than Crean-full MQ.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 6, 2010 22:27:15 GMT -5
marquette is a very good three point shooting team if you get has many wide open looks that we gave them your going to shoot a high %. we made almost no adjustments to it until about the last 4mins.. the problem is as a tem we have zero faith in our ability to defend on the perimeter hence the hedging switching resulting in penetration and opposite looks for wide open threes. this is not new to anyone those shots have been open all year they just happened to keep taking and making. we never really forced them to take it inside where they shot at about 30% for the game. Honestly id put a lot of the blame here on the coaching. a very winnable road game. im much more upset about this than loding to odu in december. We will see what kind of team this really is i guess on saturday with uconn.
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Post by Boz on Jan 6, 2010 22:28:14 GMT -5
I don't think it's being too negative to point out that Greg had a pretty poor game tonight.
Some great passes, yes, and good defensive rebounding (minus a few oh-so-critical exceptions), but I don't think it was his best effort by any means.
But I'm also confident that he'll come back HUGE against the U-Connvicts.
We're going to see a great game from Monroe on Saturday. Book it!
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 6, 2010 22:30:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree, Boz. I would also add that he took himself out of the game a couple of times by looking for calls/complaining to the ref. I bet Coach will talk to him about that.
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Post by Filo on Jan 6, 2010 22:30:37 GMT -5
Marquette's a good team. Color me impressed. I'd like our chances against them in the BET, but they play hard. What I thought was interesting was Cubillan was so hot, yet he didn't seem to take a complete heatcheck shot. I feel like that's due to coaching. I like Crean-less MQ more than Crean-full MQ. See, this is where I disagree - I still don't think MU is that great. A good, solid BE team? Sure. But imagine if the Hoyas were winning games and losing games based pretty much solely on how they shot the 3-pointer? Actually, you don't have to imagine it - just go back and look at the tormented "why do we live and die by the 3-pointer" posts on here during some of the previous seasons.
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Post by richfame on Jan 6, 2010 22:30:42 GMT -5
Chep- Hollis shot will come, he has great form and seems confident out there.
Guru- Your just being disrespectable were all on the same side here. And yeah Uconn will go down, they dont have an lethal 3 point shooters.
Key will be to get Greg involved early and often
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 6, 2010 22:37:14 GMT -5
Some solid things tonight, good games generally by the starting 5 - but if we can't get something, anything from our bench, we are a 9-9 team with maybe a win in the BET and the NCAA. And our defense against the 3 was almost non-existent.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 6, 2010 22:37:48 GMT -5
Well Robinson is shooting 58% from three and I haven't seen him miss a shot in any of the games I watched. I'd say that is pretty lethal.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jan 6, 2010 22:38:16 GMT -5
I think there are a lot of reasons why we lost, but the most glaring is our star player getting pushed around by a team of basketball midgets. This may be his easiest match-up in BE play and he scored 9 points and committed critical turnovers.
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Post by Boz on Jan 6, 2010 22:38:58 GMT -5
We got good minutes from Jerelle tonight. I think he needs to get into the rotation a bit more.
(if he does, I doubt he misses any bunnies like he had tonight - that looked like pure nerves, surprised at how easily he got to the hoop).
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 6, 2010 22:39:51 GMT -5
Please do not call this an upset. Pomeroy had MU, and as was pointed out above, Marquette was favored by the oddsmakers by 2.
Just got back from the game. Can I say I'm really, really tired of going to the Bradley Center for these? This was the fourth time the Hoyas have been here in MU's 5 years in the conference to only 2 MU visits to DC, and I'd argue that in every year except last season Georgetown was the better team. Tired of watching my guys lose while surrounded by the world's most annoying crowd.
Monroe sucked, but maybe we need to stop looking at him to be the realistic leader of this team. The last two games, for my money, have been Austin Freeman's best games as a Hoya. This was Austin's team tonight--he willed them back into the game, hit some big shots (though not the biggest one) and was as active as he's ever been. If it isn't Austin's team, its Chris Wright's team. Those appear to be your team leaders, people. And they're capable of much. Greg has been looking like a role player. He was soft with the ball and had it taken from him on several occasions, always looking to be bailed out by the officials. His defensive presence is essential, and he is absolutely critical to running the offense, but I don't think we should ask or expect that he's going to be some kind of dominant scoring presence against everybody just because the NBA scouts like him. Let the 1, 2, and 3 spots be the playmakers, and Greg can fill up the boxscore in other ways.
I thought the team defended very well late, but Marquette just hit too many big shots. They shoot well from 3 generally, but Cubillan will never go 6 for 6 again. We handled Hayward well, and I'd have assumed that if we did, we'd win, but Cubillan and Buycks stepped up. MU has just as much depth as we do, and size, as is often the case, is overrated. If they keep shooting like this, they'll be in every game this year. I see no reason they can't win at least 10 in conference play.
Overall, hard to get too worked up about this (other than on a personal level given all of the MU losers I have to face now). If we win the next 2, this is just a bump in the road. Road games against top 8 Big East teams are always challenge, and while I'd have loved to steal this one, I don't think it is worth wringing hands over the loss.
Off to look at the numbers. Haven't done that yet.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 6, 2010 22:40:02 GMT -5
Some solid things tonight, good games generally by the starting 5 - but if we can't get something, anything from our bench, we are a 9-9 team with maybe a win in the BET and the NCAA. And our defense against the 3 was almost non-existent. Our starting 5 did NOT play good. Austin did and Julian did when he was out there. Clark had a pretty iffy game if you ask me, even JTIII Monroe didn't play well, and Chris didn't shot in the second half and was almost invisible out there. Thompson played as well as over half our starting 5.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 6, 2010 22:40:52 GMT -5
I don't think it's being too negative to point out that Greg had a pretty poor game tonight. Some great passes, yes, and good defensive rebounding (minus a few oh-so-critical exceptions), but I don't think it was his best effort by any means. But I'm also confident that he'll come back HUGE against the U-Connvicts. We're going to see a great game from Monroe on Saturday. Book it! I agree. In fact, I am shocked that over 11 pages (I started reading on page 6 though), while there are tons of posts talking about Greg not getting the ball in the low post, I think this is only the 2nd post to point out that Greg had a sub-par game (very sub-par in my mind). He played very soft and was just off tonight. It is a shame because if he plays even an average game I think we get the W even with MU's 3 point shooting. I am also confident he will come back strong and I also agree generally with the positive sentiments being expressed about the prospects for this team going forward.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 6, 2010 22:47:56 GMT -5
Good points, Big Dog. I think the reason I am not as upset is because what I saw tonight and recently, is that Freeman and Wright have stepped up to that level were they want the ball all the time, want to lead this team, want to run III's offense. If Monroe can be the compliment to those two, with his talent, we are a very good team.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 6, 2010 22:49:11 GMT -5
its an upset b/c the guys that run this site, mainly dfw, are super negative. esp b/c everybody piled on his boy esherick
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 6, 2010 22:52:16 GMT -5
It's an upset because we're ranked and they're not - every national outlet will term it an upset. Let's not get chippy about something that silly.
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