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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Dec 2, 2009 19:07:29 GMT -5
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Post by CO_Hoya on Dec 2, 2009 19:15:58 GMT -5
From the article:
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Post by vcjack on Dec 2, 2009 19:20:40 GMT -5
So to survive they are going to only focus on their "Right wing cult members" market?
That's actually not that bad of an idea. At least its a niche right?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 2, 2009 19:22:45 GMT -5
To the extent Barker is not a Moonie, this could be very bad for us. I expect that Moon et al. will make sure they take care of their own first.
The Times is one entity that this person believes does not deserve a bailout.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 2, 2009 19:26:25 GMT -5
Barker could be a great pickup for the WPost because he is also very experienced at covering college football and professional golf.
The bad news is that the Post will not allow him as much freedom to do all those extra Gtown writeups as the Times did. And the other bit of bad news is that the WPost, like all newspapers, isn't safe either.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 2, 2009 19:32:05 GMT -5
Expect the worst with the WTimes--Sunday circulation has dropped below 50,000, or only about three times the combined press run of the HOYA and Voice. The 60 day WARN notice provides a job through 1/31, although staffers can be cut at any time and paid out the balance through 1/31.
Capitol Hill coverage and editorial will likely survive. Local news, sports, business, etc. will be wire copy...another Examiner.
And the Post doesn't have the money to add any significant staff.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 2, 2009 19:33:18 GMT -5
So to survive they are going to only focus on their "Right wing cult members" market? That's actually not that bad of an idea. At least its a niche right? I realize you are posting that partly in jest, but in actuality it has proven to be a highly effective and incredibly lucrative (if utterly disingenuous and cynical) business strategy as evidenced by Rush, Glenn, Anne, and the entire Fox "news" network. We can add Sarah to the list now as well. Quitting as Governor of Alaska with 18 months left in her term to strike while the iron's hot and pursue money making ventures like books, speaking tours and TV has shown that she is indeed a "media superstar" -- with as much substance, perspective and integrity as her aforementioned role models.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 2, 2009 19:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by CO_Hoya on Dec 2, 2009 19:43:51 GMT -5
Capitol Hill coverage and editorial will likely survive. Local news, sports, business, etc. will be wire copy...another Examiner. Although the Examiner still has Craig Stouffer on staff covering the Hoyas.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 2, 2009 19:46:20 GMT -5
Capitol Hill coverage and editorial will likely survive. Local news, sports, business, etc. will be wire copy...another Examiner. Although the Examiner still has Craig Stouffer on staff covering the Hoyas. The Examiner of course was never intended to be a "real" newspaper.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Dec 2, 2009 19:51:30 GMT -5
\ Capitol Hill coverage and editorial will likely survive. Local news, sports, business, etc. will be wire copy...another Examiner. The Washington Examiner is mostly original content, probably less than 10% wire service, with several syndicated columnists that originate at the Examiner a la Politico. For the last several weeks Macy's has started running ads and pushing coupons in the Examiner. I honestly can think of no other reason for a sane person picking up a hard copy of the WaPo. The Post is on its death bed unless some insane billionaire floods it with money to support an ideological agenda.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 2, 2009 19:58:20 GMT -5
post coverage awfull one game last week ONLY MENTION PREGAME WAS THE TV TIME IN THE TV SPORTS LISTING.. barker is good hope he stays or comes to the post.. also she corrected it by liz clark said after jerelle played six minutes he MISSED HIS FOURTH GAME awfulll awfull and how can maryland not LOVE THE POST thats all they talk about all go hoyas show them all and everybodys gotta cover us yup everybody
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 2, 2009 20:16:48 GMT -5
\ Capitol Hill coverage and editorial will likely survive. Local news, sports, business, etc. will be wire copy...another Examiner. The Washington Examiner is mostly original content, probably less than 10% wire service, with several syndicated columnists that originate at the Examiner a la Politico. For the last several weeks Macy's has started running ads and pushing coupons in the Examiner. I honestly can think of no other reason for a sane person picking up a hard copy of the WaPo. The Post is on its death bed unless some insane billionaire floods it with money to support an ideological agenda. 1. Great writers in the Metro section who provide news and investigative reporting about the DC area that NO ONE else provides. 2. Great writers who travel across the country to provide some of the best investigative reporting of our nation. 3. A strong corp of writers who actually pay attention to the international scene (one of the very last American newspapers to provide such a service) and are accordingly spread out across the globe. 4. Still easily the best overall sports reporting done for the DC area. 5. An editorial page that allows the views of both liberals and conservatives to express their opinions (the WTimes only allowed conservative viewpoints to be printed). 6. The comic strips...if you're in to that sort of thing. Now if you're arguing that with the ability to get almost all of this content on-line for free its stupid to but the WPost well the that's a different argument altogether. I still but a hard copy of the newspapers (I have a subscription) and I have always felt that the newspapers should charge for their on-line content. But even if you disagree with that if one still reads Post articles on-line that is at least suggesting that the content is actually good in the first place. I had a subscription to the WTimes as well until last year when the newspaper decided to cut back on money spent on deliveries. This meant firing all of its veteran paper delivery folks and hiring a bunch of low pay scab replacements. And this meant instead of the paper being thrown onto my porch each morning (the distance from my gate to my porch is about 25 to 30 feet), the paper was tossed onto the sidewalk OUTSIDE my gate two or three times a week. Sometimes it would be toss into the street directly in front of my home (which means it could be 12 feet from my freakin' gate). I called the WTimes and spoke with The Man In Charge about three times concerning this problem. Each time I was promised the issue would be addressed and taken care of. Each time nothing changed. So I canceled my subscription as did another neighbor. I would have thought a newspaper would have been doing all it could to keep subscribers but those jokers obviously didn't care.
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Post by Boz on Dec 2, 2009 20:47:16 GMT -5
I can sharpen up my snarky claws if you like, but for the time being, I will respectfully request (since I am not an admin) comments be focused on Barker and Hoyas coverage.
Otherwise, let's move this to B&G and I'll be happy to snikety-snikt my way through the relative merits of the Post vs. the Times.
Having made this humble request, I would agree with those who say that the Post would be wise to pick up Barker should he be affected by this (and it sure looks like his area will be in the crosshairs).
I am not entirely sure if the Post itself is in a position to pick up staff though, so if someone wants to volunteer to knock up Liz Clarke so she has to go on maternity leave and Barker can Wally Pipp her, well I would completely support that approach.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 2, 2009 20:48:53 GMT -5
Might be old school, but I'd be lost w/o my Sunday WaPost. I love it, man. Bummer about newspapers in general, but specifically if we lose Barker's reporting on the Hoyas. At least we'll always have HoyaTalk SO where are all the bloggers gonna go when there's no more newspaper reporters and stories to mooch/comment from?
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 2, 2009 22:08:57 GMT -5
SO where are all the bloggers gonna go when there's no more newspaper reporters and stories to mooch/comment from? Exactly. And the next investigative report by a blogger will be the first investigative report by a blogger. Sorry for going off topic, Boz. Anyway I feel Barker will land on his feet. I'm just afraid it won't be in the DC area.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 2, 2009 22:34:58 GMT -5
Might be old school, but I'd be lost w/o my Sunday WaPost. I love it, man. Yes, it is old school. I've posted a link on the front page to audited newspaper numbers ending 9/30/09 and the numbers are grim everywhere. The Times now has fewer Sunday readers than the Fredericksburg News-Star. SO where are all the bloggers gonna go when there's no more newspaper reporters and stories to mooch/comment from? The Politico.com model shows that original reporting can be done outside the print medium. Other sites such as MinnPost and the Texas Tribune are well on their way, too. Good for political news, not good for sports.
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Post by McBricks on Dec 2, 2009 23:48:10 GMT -5
Expect the worst with the WTimes--Sunday circulation has dropped below 50,000, or only about three times the combined press run of the HOYA and Voice. Maybe the Hoya or Voice could put out an offer to Barker...
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 2, 2009 23:52:56 GMT -5
Expect the worst with the WTimes--Sunday circulation has dropped below 50,000, or only about three times the combined press run of the HOYA and Voice. Maybe the Hoya or Voice could put out an offer to Barker... An offer to what? A trip to the welfare line? (btw I know you were joking). Even if those two newspapers could magically come up with enough money to cover Barker's beat of Gtown hoops what would he do the other eight months of the year to earn a paycheck from them? He covered multiple major sports for the WTimes year round.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 3, 2009 0:28:59 GMT -5
SO where are all the bloggers gonna go when there's no more newspaper reporters and stories to mooch/comment from? DFW HOYA wrote: The Politico.com model shows that original reporting can be done outside the print medium. Other sites such as MinnPost and the Texas Tribune are well on their way, too. Good for political news, not good for sports.No doubt; slate.com proves this every day. Point being that it's less normal in the blogosphere than the printo/newsosphere.
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