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Post by hifigator on Oct 19, 2009 10:28:20 GMT -5
Agreed. Arkansas is getting hosed the PI penalty with 8 min left leading to the game tying td was ridiculous. like UF needs any help. We got our fair share, and then some, for sure. But the one you are talking about was against Deonte Thompson, and was a good call. The exact same thing was called numersous times in many different games all weekend. If the ball is underthrown and the receiver is coming back to the ball, the defender can't just keep running -- at least, not without looking back for the ball.
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Post by RDF on Oct 19, 2009 10:40:14 GMT -5
What do you expect from the $EC? It's in control of the BCS and they ensure their teams will be in the title game--while other leagues officiate in poor manner simply due to inept officiating. Best officials in country are Big 10--they are fair to both teams even if doing OOC games.
Big XII officals are good--minus Bible crew--that is a horrible group that makes wrong call 3 out of every 4.
Thoughts from my nickel brain:
1. Texas showed some fight/grit--and only reason that game was close--their offense isn't explosive yet--although Goodwin showed some of what is needed with his added speed and the lack of competition killed them enterting OU game.
2. Bob Stoops should be fired if Sam Bradford is talked into returning to Norman next year.
3. Charlie Weis talks all week about "This is our year....." and everyone buys in--only to lose close in a game USC tries to hand them with stupid penalties and then it's all about "moral victory" afterwards--from him down to players. What a hypocrite. I'm opinionated and enjoy those who take a stand--but the #1 rule if you are that type of person--ALWAYS ADMIT when you are WRONG--and instead he cops out.
4. Does anyone understand how good Matt Barkley is playing? A true Frosh at QB in a Pro Style offense and making some of the throws he does--with pressure around him? Guy is unreal. Jimmy Clausen is good--but like Brady Quinn-those jump ball passes are a credit to WR and he shows little touch--everything is one speed--but this Barkely kid is unreal.
5. I like Colt McCoy--think he's a great college QB--but if you are honestly telling me anyone will take him in top 10--let alone First Round--just be prepared to need a QB within 2 years. He doesn't have NFL arm and he's horrific when in pocket under pressure. He was throwing off back foot and shying from contact--which is red flag for next level.
6. Sam Bradford reminds me of Bernie Kosar---so think he'll be fine if he's alive and doesn't listen to Stoops--but like Lou Holtz said at halftime of one of the games Saturday--he needs to learn how to fall down when taking a hit. People laugh--but it is coached and Bradford created his own problem when Aaron Williams (whose INT was sick in 4th quarter) brought him down for rest of year.
7. Is the OU-Texas game still going on? How long was that 1st Half? How many guys went down only to sprint out a play later?
8. Arkansas-Florida officiating was disgusting.
9. Iowa is Ohio State from '02 season. They find ways to win, they turn you over and play great TEAM defense. Their offense is boring--but they have 1 great player--Moeaki the TE and their QB just wins games--think Stanzi is 15-3 as a starter now. One thing that interesting in how everyone is "surprised" by their success--they lost 4 games last year by a total of 12 pts. Their team this year only has 3 starters who are SR's--so Ferentz has a chance to elevate his program this/next year to be a consistent contender. They lose their TE, and 2 Starting LB's but those seem to be positions Hawkeyes do a great job of developing---and their DL is outstanding. Adrian Clayborn is best DL not named Suh---because he's effective as both a run stopper/pass rusher.
10. Terrelle Pryor is a CANCER. Seeing him yell at Tressel on sideline, hearing that he's lazy and tells coaches off, his teammates don't like him, and he is NOT A QB. Guy is a top 5 talent as a WR who plays QB because he thinks he's Vince Young---he's not. Vince is worthless as an NFL QB--but guy was a great college QB due to his ability to make plays. Pryor isn't that good of a runner--Young was physical/tough to tackle and fast--where Pryor makes line for sideline and at least Young could hit his TE and open men--while Pryor throws like Uncle Rico from Napolean Dynamite. Careful what you wish for Sweater Vest!
11. The ACC is so mediocre it's sad. How VT doesn't score 40 on Georgia Tech is unreal. Ramblin Wreck is a horrific defensive team--but like most Beamer teams-they cannot throw the football--and I thought Tyrod Taylor was good enough--he proved Saturday he's not.
12. If you want exciting games to watch---tune into Notre Dame and Washington games--every game isn't pretty--but they usually go down to last play.
13. The best offensive player in CFB is Jake Locker and he should win the Heisman. Problem is---it's not about being the best player--because if it was--defensive players would be consistently included and record wouldn't matter--your talent would. Sadly--Locker won't get invite to NY and it's just another reason to NOT CARE about this joke of an award. Of course the Gino Torretta's winning started to ruin things too--as Torretta was about the 30th best player on his own team-and took home the trophy--so nevermind.
14. USC will lose 2 more Pac 10 games--and think it'll be Oregon and Arizona. I'd say Arizona State--but their QB scares me due to how immobile he is---and their Dennis Erickson "discipline" which resulted in Vontaze Burfict having 3 personal fouls in 1st Half. Arizona is getting closer to being a contender--and they are not there yet--but winning from behind is something Mike Stoops haven't done and beating Stanford when down big was a nice thing to see prior to their annual November upset game they always get. Their speed in Secondary will give SC's average WR corps trouble and they have type of running game that gives Trojans problems too.
15. Boise State should never be allowed in BCS Title Discussion. The fact is--you can get up for 1 opponent but can you do it week in/week out like the Major conferences have to? Are teams at bottom that good in major leagues? Of course not--but the middle is good enough to beat you if you have an off game--and Boise NEVER faces that. Let them go do their "cute crap" in Fiesta Bowl or something but NEVER let them in Title game under current system-it would be an embarrassment/disrespectful to teams who have to play more then 2 games per year.
Why is Steve Spurrier still talked about as an offensive "Genius"?
Why do I want to punch the ND Leperchaun everytime he's shown?
Why is Dan Fouts WASTED on NFL football and not doing CFB?
Do Danielson/Lundquist sleep with Tebow? (oh wait--that's Urban Meyer)
Be prepared for Matt Barkley as next Tebow--NBC offered a hint at it with some talk of his off the field doings.
Dan Hawkins should be fired ASAP. Benched kid--and they win against Kansas. What took him so long. Don't reward someone for being more concerned of playing his son then winning--it's blatant nepotism and he should be punished for holding back the program.
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Post by Boz on Oct 19, 2009 10:44:00 GMT -5
That may have been the best, most amazing INT I've seen in college football since Charles Woodson was playing. I think I fell out of my chair.
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Post by FLHoya on Oct 19, 2009 17:22:43 GMT -5
When they look back on this past weekend in college football, appreciative fans of quality BCS bowl games will remember it fondly as the week when the final nail was driven into Oklahoma and Ohio State's BCS chances. There must be a Big 10-Big 12 crossover bowl these teams can be slotted into together--after the nonsense of the past 4-5 years of underwhelming crap football in the BCS, they deserve each other. Officiating was sketchy in the UF-Arkansas game, but it's Petrino and Co's own darn fault for leaving so many points on the board. Forget the missed field goals--if you're gonna beat #1 on the road, that drive before halftime has to be a TD every time. Florida played a freakishly bad game with all their turnovers...they gave the SEC their one shot during the regular season IMO. It's Alabama or nobody standing in their way to the Nat'l Title game. Oh, for that matter, I guess ND's BCS coffin is six feet under now as well. NBC will make a nice payday off showing another ND game in the Gator Bowl. If Iowa pulls the Ohio State 2002 routine and makes the Rose Bowl or BCS Title Game, how much more interesting in retrospect will the ending to this game be: rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=200909050028The ACC is straight up bad. At least last year, it was a matter of parity--everyone was equally mediocre except Va Tech, so on a given day no matter who was playing, it was a legit question who would win, like flipping a coin. Now you have Miami, Va Tech, and Ga Tech (all in the same division btw) who are all some kind of good-but-not-great, and every other team is out and out terrible. So instead of a bunch of 24-21 hard fought games, you get the ugly blowout of the week like Wake-Clemson and NC State-Boston College, where one team doesn't bother to show up. The ACC Title Game will once again draw 20,000 in Tampa...unless Miami is in it, then I'll give it 25,000.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 19, 2009 17:30:34 GMT -5
Officiating was sketchy in the UF-Arkansas game, but it's Petrino and Co's own darn fault for leaving so many points on the board. Forget the missed field goals--if you're gonna beat #1 on the road, that drive before halftime has to be a TD every time. Florida played a freakishly bad game with all their turnovers...they gave the SEC their one shot during the regular season IMO. It's Alabama or nobody standing in their way to the Nat'l Title game. Agree completely. Officiating was bad, but that 99% of that loss was on Arkansas failing to convert opportunities / execute.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 19, 2009 22:59:56 GMT -5
Officiating was sketchy in the UF-Arkansas game, but it's Petrino and Co's own darn fault for leaving so many points on the board. Forget the missed field goals--if you're gonna beat #1 on the road, that drive before halftime has to be a TD every time. Florida played a freakishly bad game with all their turnovers...they gave the SEC their one shot during the regular season IMO. It's Alabama or nobody standing in their way to the Nat'l Title game. Agree completely. Officiating was bad, but that 99% of that loss was on Arkansas failing to convert opportunities / execute. I agree that we got more than our share of calls. Stop the presses ... cuz, trust me, that is quite a rarity. But in all honesty, I can't deny that the scale wasn't exactly balanced. (Hell, I can tell you how to do that. A dollar bill weighs exactly a gram. A nickel weighs exactly five grams. Those "fold and seal" sandwich bags weigh exactly a gram. How hard is it to balance the scale in advance??? Note: as a pseudo-serious aside: has anyone else ever wondered why "prominent" things such as a dollar bill, a nickel and a sandwich bag just "happen" to weigh such precise masses?) In any case, as for our game, the personal foul on the last drive was really the only "blatant" call that we got. Two guys run into each other right near the end of a play and one of them falls down -- is that really a personal foul? We got that one, for sure. As for "leaving points on the table" ... I guess it depends on how you look at it. We should have lost the game, because of what we did -- 4 turnovers -- 3 in the red zone -- and a dropped sure TD pass from Cooper. That alone is 16 points, minimum, if you count just the TD and 3 FGs -- and most likely more. In fairness though, we did have a TD on busted coverage from Ark., but they matched it on a flukish, confusing long range play as well. Those are part of the game, but I sure don't expect us to give up the one we did. But that has to be a wash. They missed an easy FG, but so did we. Again, that is a wash. They missed a marginal FG and we hit a slightly less likely marginal one. That was really "the difference," but I know that oversimplifies it. The point is that the game was really well matched stat wise -- both those you "expect" as well as those you don't. But as far as "points left on the table," we actually did much more of that than Arkansas. The missed FGs are a wash. We both should have probably stuck one more in the endzone, instead of kicking FGs. But we turned the ball over 4 times to none for them. The penalties were the only real offset there. In any case, all's well that ends well. On Edit: I didn't get to finish the thought. Yes, the "stats" were pretty evenly matched -- our long TD and theirs ... our missed chip shot and theirs, etc ... -- and if you want to oversimplify, then sure, we won because we hit our long FG of 51 and they missed their 40plus yarder. But looking deeper into it, all of that was essentially a wash. But aside from those things, we had turnovers working against us and penalties working for us. In that regard, I am certainly somewhat thankful that it worked out like it did. But as satisfied as I am with the win and to be undefeated -- unlike the Penn States, Ohio States and USCs of the world -- I can tell you that I don't want to put my ticker through too many games like that for no reason.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 20, 2009 14:04:37 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that there seems to be a concerted effort to not call the "excessive celebration" penalty? I don't know if it's my imagination, but if not, then that is certainly a good thing in my mind. I wonder if it's basically an aftershock from that crucial call at the end of the Georgia-LSU game.
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Post by Boz on Oct 20, 2009 14:23:51 GMT -5
Excessive celebration ["Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves)"] is the worst penalty ever and cannot go away -- or go "unenforced" -- soon enough. (as long as it is unenforced equally)
Taunting is one thing. I can get behind that. But if you score a go ahead touchdown with a couple minutes left and all of your teammates come down to mob you in a celebration that lasts 30 seconds, or you and a teammate jump up in the air to chest bump each other in the end zone, or you dive into the band (your own band, Golden Tate)...how is that a bad thing for football again??
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Post by rosslynhoya on Oct 21, 2009 7:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by hifigator on Oct 21, 2009 10:35:29 GMT -5
That's quite a bit of literary freedom there rossly, don't 'ya think?
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Post by kchoya on Oct 21, 2009 13:19:23 GMT -5
That's quite a bit of literary freedom there rossly, don't 'ya think? My guess is that's he's being sarcastic. Also, I think two teams with camo unis might not be the best idea.
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Post by Buckets on Oct 21, 2009 17:48:06 GMT -5
Crew that worked LSU-Georgia and Florida/Arkansas receives one-week suspension. sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4583642Hopefully this will lead to a reduction in the calls against defenders hitting guys who are running to block them and players celebrating with teammates.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 21, 2009 22:51:54 GMT -5
I missed two Big Ten trophy games last week: Iowa retained the Heartland Trophy, and Penn State retained the Governor's Victory Bell. In my defense, both trophies are lame and forgettable (The Governor's Victory Bell, for example, came into being because Minnesota was Penn State's first in-conference opponent??? These things do not merit a trophy, particularly when Minnesota already had awesome trophies with schools in contiguous states.)
Week 8 Picks for Games That Matter:
Pitt over S. Florida Purdue over Illinois for the Cannon Arkansas over Ole Miss (some folks are calling this the Nutt Bowl) Oregon over U-Dub (Huskies haven't lost in Seattle since dropping their opener to LSU) Michigan upsets Penn State (PSU going for first consecutive wins in series since '95-'96) Oklahoma over Kansas Miami over Clemson Notre Dame over BC for the Ireland Trophy Alabama over Tennessee on the Third Fourth Saturday in October (Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer) Air Force upsets Utah Texas Tech over TAMU TCU over BYU Florida over Miss. State Texas over Mizzou SC over Oregon State in a revenge game
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Post by hifigator on Oct 22, 2009 16:18:16 GMT -5
Crew that worked LSU-Georgia and Florida/Arkansas receives one-week suspension. sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4583642Hopefully this will lead to a reduction in the calls against defenders hitting guys who are running to block them and players celebrating with teammates. I was glad to hear that! In a sense, I am slightly divided on the issue. Obviously, no one wants to be victimized by bad/questionable calls. You don't really want to win because of them, but it beats the crap out of losing for any reason. I know that fans of every team at some point think they were jobbed by the refs. And I am no exception. But looking back, this was the first time that multiple, noticebly questionable calls went in our favor. And there have been many, many games that hinged on crucial calls that went against us. I wouldn't deny a bit of selective memory on this issue, but that is my gut feeling. There is almost a sense of "finally!" On the more important issue, I am tremendously happy to see the conference actually do something. I have hated the way that refs get a free pass. If a coach complains about the calls, the coach gets fined. Even media aren't free to point out some questionable issues, and end up having mysterious legistical issues after doing so. The only vocal complaints tend to come from the fans and of course, then you are simply labeled as disgruntled fans. I want the refs to fear repurcussions for their actions. In that regard, I was ecstatic to see this.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 26, 2009 15:44:28 GMT -5
Boise State fans have to be rooting for Wyoming, Utah, etc. now.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 27, 2009 10:55:00 GMT -5
kc, just how good is BYU? FSU handled them very, very easily in PROVO! Granted, that was the best game the Nolies played all season, but still. I don't think that a TCU win over BYU should offset Boise's win at Fresno and most importantly, over Oregon. But the more time that passes, the less that win over the Ducks stays in people's minds. What Boise really wants is for Oregon to knock off the Trojans this week.
On another note, anyone notice that both Mullen from Mississippi State and Kiffen from Tennessee were reprimanded by the SEC for complaining about officiating? In all honesty, that was my point earlier. Coaches can't do that, because they get fined. Personally, my view is that the more criticism refs get, the better. It will only help in the long run.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 27, 2009 11:23:25 GMT -5
kc, just how good is BYU? FSU handled them very, very easily in PROVO! Granted, that was the best game the Nolies played all season, but still. I don't think that a TCU win over BYU should offset Boise's win at Fresno and most importantly, over Oregon. But the more time that passes, the less that win over the Ducks stays in people's minds. What Boise really wants is for Oregon to knock off the Trojans this week. On another note, anyone notice that both Mullen from Mississippi State and Kiffen from Tennessee were reprimanded by the SEC for complaining about officiating? In all honesty, that was my point earlier. Coaches can't do that, because they get fined. Personally, my view is that the more criticism refs get, the better. It will only help in the long run. I think BYU just doesn't have the talen to compete with better programs. When they run up against a program with better players, they usually get beat pretty badly. FSU, TCU year. Utah and TCU last year. Oklahoma was an exception, but they're not having the greatest year. When the pool from which you recruit is so limited, your just not going to be able to compete.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 27, 2009 16:18:55 GMT -5
kc, just how good is BYU? FSU handled them very, very easily in PROVO! Granted, that was the best game the Nolies played all season, but still. I don't think that a TCU win over BYU should offset Boise's win at Fresno and most importantly, over Oregon. But the more time that passes, the less that win over the Ducks stays in people's minds. What Boise really wants is for Oregon to knock off the Trojans this week. On another note, anyone notice that both Mullen from Mississippi State and Kiffen from Tennessee were reprimanded by the SEC for complaining about officiating? In all honesty, that was my point earlier. Coaches can't do that, because they get fined. Personally, my view is that the more criticism refs get, the better. It will only help in the long run. I think BYU just doesn't have the talen to compete with better programs. When they run up against a program with better players, they usually get beat pretty badly. FSU, TCU year. Utah and TCU last year. Oklahoma was an exception, but they're not having the greatest year. When the pool from which you recruit is so limited, your just not going to be able to compete. I totally agree. My question about how good BYU is, was basically rhetorical. That's what I was saying. Sure, that's a nice win for TCU, but overall, I think Iowa winning at Penn St. and at Wisconsin is more impressive. Also, Boise St.'s wins over Oregon and at Fresno St. is more impressive.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 28, 2009 23:31:32 GMT -5
Week 9 Picks for Games That Matter:
Florida over Georgia at the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party Air Force over Colorado State for the Ram-Falcon Trophy Oregon over SC Texas squeaks by Oklahoma State to "clinch" the Big 12 South Title LSU over Tulane for The Rag
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A couple of very belated comments on last week's games:
The Alabama - Tennessee result reminded me of S. Carolina @ Florida from 2006. The Gators clearly had the more talented team, but the Gamecocks had a chance to win the game on the final play with a FG. Florida blocked the attempt and won the remainder of its games, including a little contest in Glendale, AZ over tOSU. I will not be at all shocked if Alabama's 2009 season mirrors Florida's 2006 season.
Speaking of Alabama and Florida, what happens if 'Bama beats LSU, loses to Auburn (yeah right), and beats Florida in the SEC Championship game? (Same question for Florida losing at S. Carolina and beating Alabama in the SEC Championship.) Does the all-powerful SEC Champ go to Pasadena? It probably depends on what the other conference champs look like, but rest assured the SEC folks will be annoying as ever if their champ has a loss and SC/Oregon also finishes with one loss, or if Cincinnati goes undefeated (don't look at me like I'm crazy).
Nice to see Stanford coming back. I watched a bit of the Cardinal's win over Arizona State on Fox Sports, and they appear to be a legit team. They're in a position to become the Michigan State of the Pac-10 -- so-so athletes, but good coaching/execution on the field (usually). I had forgotten what a blast the Stanford crowd is, and the new(ish) stadium looks cool on television -- I think Palo Alto just made my list of CFB campuses/stadiums to visit. Arizona State, on the other hand, looked like a shell of the program Texas trounced in the Holiday Bowl two years ago. Is Erickson just getting too old to be successful in the Pac-10?
The Big 12 North is the new ACC. K-State and Iowa State are your conference #1 and #2. I still like KU or Nebraska to come from behind and win the division -- the 'Huskers are not going to fumble the ball EIGHT FREAKING TIMES again this season. Pelini has got to be killing the RBs in practice this week.
I watched Texas A&M roll Texas Tech live last weekend. The rest of you should be thankful this game was not on television: your cable boxes would have exploded. Texas Tech, even after its success last season, still inexplicably has no defense. And by that I mean that it lacks both athletes and competent coordination. Ruffin McNeill is the Randy Shannon of the Big 12 -- he's brought a better attitude to the Raider D, but it hasn't translated to on-field success. Regardless of defensive woes, Tech is fine when they have a QB that runs the offense well -- Potts has a lot of talent, but holds the ball too long in a quick-read system and isn't mobile enough to make up for mistakes with his feet. Sorry for the hifi moment -- I'm sure none of you want to hear about TAMU-TTU, but I have to validate this waste of four hours of my life somehow.
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Post by kghoya on Oct 29, 2009 18:45:37 GMT -5
I watched Texas A&M roll Texas Tech live last weekend. The rest of you should be thankful this game was not on television: your cable boxes would have exploded. Texas Tech, even after its success last season, still inexplicably has no defense. And by that I mean that it lacks both athletes and competent coordination. Ruffin McNeill is the Randy Shannon of the Big 12 -- he's brought a better attitude to the Raider D, but it hasn't translated to on-field success. Regardless of defensive woes, Tech is fine when they have a QB that runs the offense well -- Potts has a lot of talent, but holds the ball too long in a quick-read system and isn't mobile enough to make up for mistakes with his feet. Sorry for the hifi moment -- I'm sure none of you want to hear about TAMU-TTU, but I have to validate this waste of four hours of my life somehow. i kept seeing that score and wondering what was going on. and please dont compare yourself to hifi
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