thebin
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Post by thebin on Feb 19, 2009 20:25:21 GMT -5
Boz- This is a perfect example of people willfully misunderstanding something and calling it racist based upon an understanding that there are just a whole load of things that we know are not racist that white people aren't allowed to say if it even involves race tangentially. If a white person ackknowledges that there are such a thing as black people and white people and they are not identical...he better be godamn sure he is more favorable to the blacks in whatever he is about to say. Black people are not held under the same constraint of course. This is one of the unsayable things in our "free country." See....right now about a hundred of you just got a gut feeling that I am a racist for just saying this. It's easier that way and it might even make you feel better about yourself for so thinking. Bonus!
Of course nobody is in business to put themselves out of business and hustlers like Sharpton are in the business of fake racism-based extortion. If they don't see racism everywhere, their income goes done. So surprise surprise, they see as much racism now at the NY Post in 2008 as in 1950s Selma Alabama.
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 19, 2009 20:34:06 GMT -5
If you go to CNN, their clip of this issue is much better with Roland Martin and David "Everything is Racist" Gergen claiming that there just couldn't have been any other meaning to this political cartoon. Something, say, that was just in the news recently, perhaps? Who drew that cartoon, Billy Packer circa 1996? Come on. I don't know if there was intended racism there or not, but you're an absolute idiot with no common sense or media savvy if you to try to make that comparison. I have no sympathies.
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Bando
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Post by Bando on Feb 19, 2009 21:10:03 GMT -5
Boz- This is a perfect example of people willfully misunderstanding something and calling it racist based upon an understanding that there are just a whole load of things that we know are not racist that white people aren't allowed to say if it even involves race tangentially. If a white person ackknowledges that there are such a thing as black people and white people and they are not identical...he better be godamn sure he is more favorable to the blacks in whatever he is about to say. Black people are not held under the same constraint of course. This is one of the unsayable things in our "free country." See....right now about a hundred of you just got a gut feeling that I am a racist for just saying this. It's easier that way and it might even make you feel better about yourself for so thinking. Bonus! Of course nobody is in business to put themselves out of business and hustlers like Sharpton are in the business of fake racism-based extortion. If they don't see racism everywhere, their income goes done. So surprise surprise, they see as much racism now at the NY Post in 2008 as in 1950s Selma Alabama. Are you seriously crying to us about the storied oppression of the white male? Really? Even at it's most charitable interpretation, this cartoon makes little sense and certainly isn't funny. And again hewing to the most charitable interpretation of the cartoonist's intent, he's being willfully ignorant about the historical use of monkeys in racist stereotypes, not to mention the NYPD's track record on shooting unarmed black suspects. Given that this same cartoonist once portrayed a man and sheep wanting to get married after New Jersey legalized civil unions, I'm not inclined to go with the charitable interpretation.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 19, 2009 22:48:08 GMT -5
Since when are conservatives so freakin' sensitive about everything?
Oh yeah, since they lost their ideology...
{this applies to liberals too; we need some new definitions, people}
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Feb 20, 2009 9:21:59 GMT -5
I think you misunderstand, C2C. My point is exactly that, that people are too sensitive. Is it possible that this cartoon is racially motivated? Yes, it is possible. Is that automatically the first conclusion I would come to, given current events (passage of a stimulus bill that people like this cartoonist - and myself - think was written by idiots, combined with the shooting of a psychotic ape this week)? No, no and NO. And I do think it requires -- as bin points out -- a WILLFUL misunderstanding to go to that place first. As for whether it is funny or not, bando, obviously that is subjective. I can tell you this. The first time I saw this cartoon, it was posted on a blog under the heading of "Controversial cartoon?" (or something like that, but it didn't mention race right away). I looked at the image first before clicking and reading about what the "controversy" was. I laughed and thought it was pretty/kinda' funny, worth a small chuckle, but not uproarious (which is what most political cartoons are). The first thing I thought was that it was controversial because the woman the chimp had mauled was in really bad shape and maybe it was in a little poor taste to have some fun at her expense. I never once thought "Wow, they're comparing Obama to a monkey," not until Gergen and Martin, let alone race baiter extraordinaire Al Sharpton, reminded me that oh, of COURSE, this HAD to be a racist cartoon, that is the only reasonable interpretation. All I know is, it's a darn good thing that there wasn't an image of Mohammed somewhere in that cartoon.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 20, 2009 10:53:46 GMT -5
I got you boz: I was referring to others. You're definitely NOT on my "This Guy's A Whiner" list.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 20, 2009 11:35:40 GMT -5
This type of talk probably sounds a lot like how many Kerry backers in 2004 took visible delight in the casualty reports out of Iraq. I believe it was once expressed to the effect of every Iraq death represented a net gain of 4 votes for Kerry: one less vote for Dubya and three more for Kerry (mother, father, and spouse). Somehow, crossing my fingers and hoping for a GM bankruptcy this week just doesn't seem quite as heinous to me Exactly my point. Both you and those people have messed up priorities. I'm glad you feel good about people losing their jobs because other people suck just as well. Too many people are way too concerned with their ideology or party winning instead of you know, actually doing the right or effective thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2009 11:43:12 GMT -5
I think it's REALLY hard to say that people are just too sensitive. I have no idea what forms other people's opinions, judgments, and...well...sensitivities. If I were an African-American whose father or uncle or grandfather had ever been called a monkey by a cop, you're damn right I'd think this cartoon was racist. And I'd be mad as hell if you told me that I was too sensitive about it. Sharpton and company take it to a preposterous level, but you don't get facetime on CNN by being rational, you get it by being outrageous.
In the end, perception = reality. More specifically, MY perception = MY reality and YOUR perception = YOUR reality. And I'm not going to presume that I can ever apply my reality to anyone else's life or worldview.
Setting the serious stuff aside, I'll turn this over to Jack Handy: Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. Because then you'll be a mile away...and you'll have their shoes.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 20, 2009 12:57:21 GMT -5
Well put Cam. The caveat to "people are too sensitive" should be "take care not to violate that which you know people are sensitive about without good reason." Basically don't knowingly or recklessly offend people; you wouldn't want them to knowingly or recklessly offend you. Or more simply, exercize tactful caution.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 20, 2009 13:43:03 GMT -5
My first reaction to the cartoon was not that it was racist. Still isn't. I actually thought it had to do with the crazy chimp and a vague reference to the infinite monkey theorem. I don't think it had anything to do with race. I think it was a knee jerk reaction and judging by the source of the initial offended reaction, I'm guessing it was a self-promoting "I'm still relevant" knee jerk reaction.
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