HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 15, 2009 6:57:52 GMT -5
great performance by everyone. i give coach credit for giving clark the minutes he deserves, even at the expense of a senior. also, credit to jesse for contributing in other ways than scoring. he got into the fray down low several times.
it was nice to see the bigger lineup. austin was very good at the 2. henry contributing gives this team an entirely different look. it creates so many more matchup problems for our opponents.
henry and jason have finally flipped the switch. they aren't bench players anymore, they are 6th and 7th starters. nikita completely changed the game with those two 3's and his hustle on the loose ball. su was shell shocked after that. omar made a huge 3 and a beautiful pass to dajuan on the baseline off penetration in the 2nd half to put us up 10+. julian played his best game of the season. he battled down low and made some very good decisions with the ball.
i know someone mentioned earlier about not taping the game. the replay is on espnu midnight tonight (12am friday).
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Post by tpk3 on Jan 15, 2009 7:22:29 GMT -5
Great game. enjoyed reading all the comments. enjoyed listening to doris burke-- heard her now maybe a half dozen times and she is an easy/good listen.
a few thought s from my vantage point:
1. Cuse zone is not as strong as is traditonally has been. vintage cuse teams will play 90-95% zone. this year's version is more 60-40. and anytime flynn is out cuse goes zone-- mainly b/c flynn and devo in the zone together are awful. also onyaku does not have the lateral movement or length of a dajuan blair. their wings/post players are big but not long so they are not as effective in the zone. if cuse misses donte green then it is at the defensive end in their zone sets. his long arms/length are something cuse does not have this season. we successfully attacked their zone-- greg monroe= zone buster. making shots= zone buster. "new guard" guards- wright/clark= zone busters.
2. Most people who saw Henry in high school know the tremendous skill set he brings. although he is still not strong enough to grab rebounds, he fights and gets his hands on the ball. at the very least he disrupts and somehow we end up with the ball. he is gaining more confidence in the offensive sets. he likes flying/crashing to the rim-- very good on cuts. played nice high/low with greg. the big frontline of sims/monroe/summers is a great lineup-- come tournament time and against bigger teams this lineup will see more burn. i like how henry plays with emotion and feeds off the atmosphere. although the shot has not fallen he is a good shooter-- most of his outside shots have been in and out. he will be a great 3-4 year post player for us who will make it in the league.
3. I have always loved Jason Clark. the kid plays to win in any setting i have seen him in. he is a combo guard who can handle it. he was rated so low b/c people considered him a shooting guard in their evaluations. the kid can just flat out play. smart player who hits big shots. knows his spots on the floor and hits them when he gets open looks. I love players that know their capabilities and what they do well. clark is exactly this kind of player. he does not try to do too much but he knows when/how to hurt you. defensively i thought he did a great job on the perimeter. it is pretty apparent right now that he is taking minutes away from jessie.
4. Greg=BEAST. hurts you in so many ways. i love hearing people now say that "greg went to the perfect school for him."-- as if only JT3 could find his special talent. yes, he went to the perfect school but the kid is special and any coach would love to have him. period. anytime greg gets doubled he will hurt you. one of these days greg will get that triple-double-- we just need to make our layups.
5. scoring wise dajuan is putting it together. just needs to tighten the handle and score off his dribble better. his passing, however, is lazy at times. he needs to clean it up and put all his aspects of his game together. i have no problem with his emotion but he needs to direct his emotions to his own teammates or the crowd. great to see dajuan trying to inspire his teammates.
6. austin is a scorer and glad to see his stroke look more fluid. hopefully this is the game that sets him off. i was worried about the harris-freeman matchup and free came thru with flying colors. he is also a 2 guard. IMO i think he should start in the backcourt with wright and we should move sapp to the bench.
7. chris wright had a solid game. the best thing he did was just shred cuse's full court pressure D that they tried to implement in 2nd half. chris is really good at getting out of traps with that step through move he does. turnovers have dramatically decreased from last year and we have looked alot smoother breaking the defense. and this is mainly b/c of chris wright and jason clark. the "new" hoya guards are quicker and have better handles.
8. nikita!!!! very happy for the kid. good kid with a good family. language barrier has been hard for him but he has stuck with it. great to see him shoot with confidence. like JT3 said-- "Nikita comes in, and he's been a little bit of a deer in headlights," Georgetown coach John Thompson III said. "I said, 'Let's just throw him in there,' and he bangs two shots in a row." Just a great job by the bench all together. JT3 said it best: "Everyone played, and everyone made a significant contribution," said Thompson, who saw all 10 of his scholarship players score. "That discussion about the gap between our first and second teams was for last month. That's over. You saw that today. We have confidence in everyone on the team."
9. Let's not read too much into this win. it's important not to get too high after games like uconn/syrcuse or too low with games like pitt/nd. this team is still young and growing. i thought we did a great job of withstanding the expected Syracuse run out of the gate in the 2nd half. we always had an answer which was good to see from a young group. the most important things to take away are the growing contributions from our bench (specifically henry sims and jason clark) and our improving offensive execution. although we were making our shots all night, some of that was b/c of execution and our offensive designs coming to fruition. as JT3 says, "We put the ball in the basket," Thompson said. "We did a very good job of throwing it in and throwing it back out, getting penetration and throwing it opposite. So they were the kind of 3s that tend to go in more often than when you just whip it around the horn [and jack it up]. When you get it into the paint and then work back out, the ball seems to go in a little more often." so yes we may have gotten "lucky" by making alot of shots but it's easier to make shots when they are of the higher percentage variety. i like to view it as us creating our own luck or putting ourselves in the best possible position to receive the most luck.
10. what is exciting is that this team will get better. JT3 teams find themselves in January and play their best basketball come feb/march. i believe we are 26-6 in feb/march under JT3- heard lavin say that. and someone on the board too i think.
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tjm62
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Post by tjm62 on Jan 15, 2009 8:58:46 GMT -5
Excellent game. The crowd was into it (hard not to be), and the team proved it could post big numbers even with Monroe playing a secondary role.
(Though, now looking at the box score, Monroe did indeed contribute heavily anyway).
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jan 15, 2009 9:24:39 GMT -5
Immensely impressed with the passing ability of Monroe, although I think you all still need work on the rebounding. More than a few were knocked out of the hands of SU players by other SU players. Wouldn't that indicate that SU needs to needs to work on rebounding?
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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 15, 2009 9:34:38 GMT -5
Immensely impressed with the passing ability of Monroe, although I think you all still need work on the rebounding. More than a few were knocked out of the hands of SU players by other SU players. Wouldn't that indicate that SU needs to needs to work on rebounding? No, we just need to put away the stone hands. I can't remember how many times one of the SU players lost the ball on an offensive rebound not because of a Gtown player, but because one of our was also trying to get the ball. But there were usually more orange jerseyed offensive guys in the paint then there were Gtown guys. Just couldn't convert. And even when they were able to grab one, you all were smart enough to foul and put our guys on the line. Oddly enough that's very effective against our two bigs.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 15, 2009 9:36:09 GMT -5
Brilliant move by III in making sure Monroe had an off night on shooting, unable to finish more than once. This was enough to convince the 1,000 NBA scouts in the stands to advise Greg to stay several more years to improve his shot. Another one of those fantastic strategic moves by our coach.
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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 15, 2009 9:40:03 GMT -5
Great game. enjoyed reading all the comments. enjoyed listening to doris burke-- heard her now maybe a half dozen times and she is an easy/good listen. 1. Cuse zone is not as strong as is traditonally has been. vintage cuse teams will play 90-95% zone. this year's version is more 60-40. and anytime flynn is out cuse goes zone-- mainly b/c flynn and devo in the zone together are awful. also onyaku does not have the lateral movement or length of a dajuan blair. their wings/post players are big but not long so they are not as effective in the zone. if cuse misses donte green then it is at the defensive end in their zone sets. his long arms/length are something cuse does not have this season. we successfully attacked their zone-- greg monroe= zone buster. making shots= zone buster. "new guard" guards- wright/clark= zone busters. Couple responses for you. I agree about Burke. She really knows the game and her comments are very timely. The best thing about her is that she actually focuses on the game that is being played in front of her and doesn't spend too much time talking about other teams - especially ACC teams. I disagree about the zone. I think you all had better luck shooting against the SU man play yesterday although there were more than a few times when Gtown players were wide open versus the zone. ESPECIALLY after Rautins went out. I hate when Andy has to play the front line against a big team like Gtown for the rebounding aspect, but he is much quicker getting out on shooters on the wing and in the corner than Jackson or Kristoff. But Monroe did an amazing job ripping up the zone with passes. Which will happen when you have smaller front line players like Rautins and Harris playing back there. Actually after rereading your post, I guess I kind of agree with your assessment of the zone.
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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 15, 2009 9:41:21 GMT -5
Brilliant move by III in making sure Monroe had an off night on shooting, unable to finish more than once. This was enough to convince the 1,000 NBA scouts in the stands to advise Greg to stay several more years to improve his shot. Another one of those fantastic strategic moves by our coach. Obviously tongue in cheek here from you, but what are the chances he stays next year? I don't know his family situation, but I see that they have him projected #3 overall right now. Just curious what you all think.
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Hoya50
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Post by Hoya50 on Jan 15, 2009 9:46:57 GMT -5
Let me confirm that, yet again, Jack's favorite referee Karl Hess remains completely clueless. ... DaJuan's dunk was number 3 of ESPN's top 10 plays tonight (and Hess predictably called the ridiculous T on him). i have no problem with the t. summers did get up and step to the belgian dude and directly yelled at him. hess also called the intentional correctly as the belgian dude made no play on the ball. now, the next time summers dunks on someone while getting smashed in the face, hopefully he'll have the presence to channel his emotion in a manner which won't award two free throws to the opposition. this is what i would say if i were his coach - .
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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 15, 2009 9:50:39 GMT -5
Let me confirm that, yet again, Jack's favorite referee Karl Hess remains completely clueless. ... DaJuan's dunk was number 3 of ESPN's top 10 plays tonight (and Hess predictably called the ridiculous T on him). i have no problem with the t. summers did get up and step to the belgian dude and directly yelled at him. hess also called the intentional correctly as the belgian dude made no play on the ball. now, the next time summers dunks on someone while getting smashed in the face, hopefully he'll have the presence to channel his emotion in a manner which won't award two free throws to the opposition. this is what i would say if i were his coach - . It was a bang bang play - literally, but Kristoff did make a play on the ball. Or at least the arm with the ball. Just because he missed the ball doesn't mean he wasn't trying. I actually didn't like the T. I thought they were separated quickly enough and Summers was calming down.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 15, 2009 9:59:43 GMT -5
How bad was Rautins hurt? I thought that was a bit of a turning point because he can really shoot it and his game is much more disciplined then Devendorf.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jan 15, 2009 10:00:35 GMT -5
Any reason you haven't gone back to your 'cuse board, with its way better format and all? Props for showing up after the loss like you said you would, but now you're done.
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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 15, 2009 10:32:20 GMT -5
How bad was Rautins hurt? I thought that was a bit of a turning point because he can really shoot it and his game is much more disciplined then Devendorf. Not sure yet. I hope not badly because as you said, that will not only be the turning point for that game but for the season. I agree that his game is more disciplined than Devo's but the reality is that Devo brings so much more on the offensive end. Defense is better from Rautins though.
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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 15, 2009 10:33:04 GMT -5
Any reason you haven't gone back to your 'cuse board, with its way better format and all? Props for showing up after the loss like you said you would, but now you're done. I never said way better format. I'll be done here shortly and then show up in a month or so.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jan 15, 2009 10:45:37 GMT -5
very nice write-up by DFW on the front page.
Plain and simple Nikita's back-to-back 3s were the turning point. We punched Cuse in the mouth and they never recovered after that. We aren't going to shoot 12-21 from 3 every game but it is sure nice when we do. This dominant win just makes me want a win at Cameron this weekend even more.
Bottom line, back above .500 in the BE...we've won all the games we are "supposed to win" and stolen 1 at UConn...we keep this trend up and we will be nicely positioned at the end of the conference season...
oh, and yeah, our froshes are only getting BETTER...so i'd um, reiterate that BUY rating on Georgetown -- Seth Davis you toolbag.
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HoyaChris
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Post by HoyaChris on Jan 15, 2009 10:46:14 GMT -5
the Hoyas won that night, too. Get used to it baby. www.hoyabasketball.com/rosters/alltime-b.htm#jeffbullisCan't remember if that game happened (HoyaChris will know), but I do remember Jeff telling me how much fun it was leaning out the window of the team bus as it pulled away from Manley Field House and asking the fans who won the game. Great energy by the crowd tonight. Let me confirm that, yet again, Jack's favorite referee Karl Hess remains completely clueless. Hoyas outrebounded SU in the first half when it really counted. SU gains some of its rebounding advantage by parking their frontcourt in the lane - three seconds could have been called on nearly every play. Jonny Flynn is going to get knocked on his keister one of these days since he mugs for the camera and shows up the opponent almost as much as some of the UCon players. Great offensive attacking game by the Hoyas tonight. Very very nice to see Austin's stroke return. Difficult to single out any one player when all contributed a lot to the win. DaJuan's dunk was number 3 of ESPN's top 10 plays tonight (and Hess predictably called the ridiculous T on him). The 'Cuse fan's memory is somewhat flawed - at least as to specifics - but Bullis did have a big game that afternoon out nowhere. It is possible that he and Ed Spriggs combined to go 13 of 15 from the line and I do remember being fairly stunned by that event. I wish I had something more cogent to say at this time, but the reality is there is nothing better than beating Syracuse. At times last night I was speechless - except for screaming at Karl Hess through my TV.
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Post by pws on Jan 15, 2009 11:14:18 GMT -5
I have a hard time criticizing DaJuan's reaction to that foul. I'm pretty sure I would've swung. That was a dangerous, reckless play which temporarily put DaJuan's future at risk. I kinda commend DS for doing something i don't think I'm capable of (but he does this a lot).
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 15, 2009 11:32:29 GMT -5
Two things to add:
1) Buff, I totally agree about Flynn's attempt to replicate his Rutgers dunk. Also, how was that not a charge? Knee into a set defender (Sims? Julian?) two steps into the key, defender remains grounded, full on collision as Flynn fails to slide to either side...no call? I was expecting either a Greg Oden-Jeff Green blocking foul or the more correct charge...but nothing?
2) Does anyone else think Henry Sims runs like Kermit the Frog? After his dunk, he came running down the court with his arms flapping at the sides like a muppet. Don't get me wrong, love the guy, but it kills me everytime.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 15, 2009 11:50:54 GMT -5
Cambridge, it was Sims who drew that ridiculous non-charge on Flynn. Also, the other play in the 2nd half where Omar was virtually clotheslined... cannot for the life of me understand how there was no whistle on either play.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 15, 2009 11:58:20 GMT -5
wow just wow
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