HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 11, 2009 11:43:51 GMT -5
i pray the giants and steelers win so i don't have to watch champsionship games next week taking place in arizona and san diego.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 11, 2009 16:29:41 GMT -5
As hard as it is for me to say it, the Eagles were the better team today. No question. Made the plays when they had to, and as weird as it may be, I think the poor conditions actually forced Reid to rely more on the run than usual, which was to their benefit.
Unbelievably poor showing by the Giants coaching staff through and through. Kevin "Killdrive" basically calling the entire game ass-backwards (run in passing situations, pass in running situations), and not featuring Jacobs early to wear down the defense was again another example of how this team has achieved great things over the past few seasons DESPITE his awful play calling. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take him off our hands, Al Davis.
I was shocked that Spags did not blitz more often on 3rd and long, allowing Mcnabb time to wait for receivers to get open. Very uncharacteristic, and while the Eagles pass-protected well, it was partly due to poor scheme.
Coughlin asking Carney to kick 2 long FGs: asinine. There was no way he was making either FG from 45+. And you don't challenge Ward's 3rd down stretch on the first drive, but you do in the 4th quarter on an obviously good spot? Stupid.
Eli played like garbage. Samuels' INT return set the tone for the rest of the game. Nothing else need be said.
Time to focus exclusively on CBB, at least for me. Let's hope the Hoyas don't prolong the misery these next 7 days.
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Post by vcjack on Jan 11, 2009 17:06:39 GMT -5
One group Rhino's patrons randomly pandered fanbases are going to be happy this week, lets hope that its balanced out by the sadness of another of its groups
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Post by Filo on Jan 11, 2009 17:12:58 GMT -5
I'll second everything you said, Rockaway. Giants did everything they could to lose that game, from stupid penalties to bad play calling to just a horrible performance from Manning. The loss of Burress hurt them a lot more than they were willing to admit, also.
While I am usually pretty depressed after a big Giants loss like that, expecially when they basically did not show up to play, I actually don't feel that bad. Guess winning it all last year helps, but I did not think the Giants were going to the Super Bowl this year. They were a decent team in a very mediocre league. No more, no less.
The Eagles are not a very good team, either. But they deserved the win today way more than the Giants, for sure.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 11, 2009 19:55:26 GMT -5
Redskins fans take note the Skins beat Eagles twice and Cardinals once. 3-0 record against the NFC title teams. Of course, that and a cup of coffee will get you ........ And, did they lose to both Pitt and Baltimore?
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Post by hoya95 on Jan 11, 2009 20:44:02 GMT -5
The only upside for me of a Steelers-Eagles matchup is that it should shatter the record for Most Fights in the Stands at a Super Bowl. The corporate types will be running for their lives by the 3rd Quarter.
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 12, 2009 9:07:14 GMT -5
The only upside for me of a Steelers-Eagles matchup is that it should shatter the record for Most Fights in the Stands at a Super Bowl. The corporate types will be running for their lives by the 3rd Quarter. I still remember Super Bowl XL against the Seahawks, where it essentially turned into a Steelers home game. That was awesome. Incidentally, if the NFL werre to pull an NBA and rig the outcome, the game to do it is Cardinals-Eagles. While the Eagles are by no means the most popular team, NO ONE cares about the Cardinals. Pre-game blather would focus on reminding people that they have a team.
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Post by Filo on Jan 12, 2009 9:09:08 GMT -5
I was surprised by the penalty on McNabb and by Aikman's reaction. I don't even like McNabb and I didn't see what the big deal was. The refs were flag-happy during that game, anyway.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Jan 12, 2009 9:37:49 GMT -5
I think the rule says that players are prohibited from using foreign objects while celebrating, so technically, yes, it was the right call by the officials.
Everyone always assumes "celebrating" means scoring a TD, but I think it applies anywhere, anytime on the field.
When we say it shouldn't have gotten a flag -- and I agree -- I think we're saying that the rules should be changed, and I also agree with that.
Having said that, it was pretty funny. It reminded me of Shannon Sharpe's "Help Is On The Way" call to the President/National Guard when playing the Patriots.
On the other hand, it was pretty dumb to do it on the opponent's sideline & he's lucky he walked away from it. I would've completely defended any Giant who thought that would have been a perfect opportunity to coldcock Donovan F. McNabb. You can be damn sure they'll be gunning for him next season though. The word "bounty" comes to mind.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 12, 2009 12:47:12 GMT -5
Having said that, it was pretty funny. It reminded me of Shannon Sharpe's "Help Is On The Way" call to the President/National Guard when playing the Patriots. Best "on" field celebration/trash talk I've seen. "Mr. President, Mr. President. You've got to send the National Guard. The Patriots are getting killed!"
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Post by RDF on Jan 12, 2009 13:23:32 GMT -5
I thought McNabb was hilarious doing that--and as a guy who can't stand McNabb--I've got to admit--he won me over for this postseason by simply beating the Vikings--and making my life up here much better. Now I'm partial to Kurt Warner for homer reasons--but love watching Jim Johnson defensive football--so whomever wins--have no problem.
On other hand--I want Ravens to win the AFC--(REED and RAY!!!).
As for Aikman-he's a joke. He's the most two-faced SOB in the business and for those who dont' keep track of non-sense--thankfully you have losers like myself. Here are some of the Aikman-isms in past year to show you what a liar on the air he truly is;
1. When talking about Dallas job opening 2 offseasons ago--he publicly campaigned for his good friend Norv Turner--and then said Wade Phillips was a huge mistake as Cowboys coach. Sounds okay to say that now right? BUT WAIT--Aikman then says during a game last year when Cowboys were 12-2, "I always said Wade was best guy for the job-he's shown that and is what Cowboys needed".
2. During preseason he trashed Skins hiring of Jim Zorn and said "it's going to screw up Jason Campbell......having 3 coaches, 4 OC's....." and then when Skins get out of gate quick this year "I knew Zorn was going to be a good coach, and Campbell is playing best of all the NFC QB's....." only to flip again in December with "As I said in Preseason--this is just not working...".
3. He always loves the Eagles--every year which is smart--due to fact they used to kill him every game and caused many of his concussions. Yet they lose to Washington in 2nd to last game of year--and he says "this team is done". A week later in blowout over Dallas "I really like how they've been playing the past Month....".
There are plenty of others just like it--and he's never held to it. He's a "golden boy" and his announcing is no different then what an average fan can observe. He adds no insight-he adds nothing that gives you an idea of what players are thinking in various situations and he's just plain awful. His best years in booth were with 3 man team that included Daryl Johnston.
As for the point that he doesn't "understand McNabb and what he's thinking"--well what about when Romo is trying to high five referees or is mocking their calls behind them? Isn't that similar? It's all in fun--yet Aikman chooses when to put someone on blast. Hell I still thought Randy Moss's fake moon was hilarious--whether I knew about Green Bay fans mooning Queens bus or not--still was funny-but we all know how Buck/Aikman took to that.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 12, 2009 13:30:49 GMT -5
I think your anti-Cowboys bias is showing. Aikman is among the two or three best NFL color analysts in the game right now, which no one would have predicted from his monotone days as a QB.
His criticism of McNabb was appropriate--this was the playoffs, and a team leader should know better. McNabb said as much after the game.
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Post by RDF on Jan 12, 2009 15:35:15 GMT -5
I came with FACTS about Aikman and what he's stated. Those comments were made by him and if he's that wishy-washy what else is to be trusted that he says--which is very little? He protects his "buddies" on each team or in the league and he bashes the guys he doesn't like--which is funny because he played with disruptive and disgusting people in Dallas too but acts like they were "above the fray". I actually supported Aikman in his day too DFW--Jimmy Johnson and Ex-Canes were why--and I recognize Irvin was head of the problems off the field-so it's not "anti-Cowboy"--it's hating FAKE/LYING people.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 12, 2009 15:50:32 GMT -5
I have no rooting interest in any of the remaining teams. Since the pros are nothing like college, I always hope NFC South teams lose(Saints fan), so death to Carolina! Guess I'll root for McNabb to finally get a ring, though I do like Jeff Fisher. Hoyainspirit... Perhaps I should remind you of the rules of etiquette on the HOYA Talk board. Rule #1 is NEVER say anything positive about anyone who is or ever was in any way whatsoever associated with the 'Cuse! You know, I actually forgot he played for Syracuse. Let me rephrase: I hope Andy Reid gets his ring.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 12, 2009 17:41:18 GMT -5
I think the rule says that players are prohibited from using foreign objects while celebrating, so technically, yes, it was the right call by the officials. Everyone always assumes "celebrating" means scoring a TD, but I think it applies anywhere, anytime on the field. When we say it shouldn't have gotten a flag -- and I agree -- I think we're saying that the rules should be changed, and I also agree with that. Having said that, it was pretty funny. It reminded me of Shannon Sharpe's "Help Is On The Way" call to the President/National Guard when playing the Patriots. On the other hand, it was pretty dumb to do it on the opponent's sideline & he's lucky he walked away from it. I would've completely defended any Giant who thought that would have been a perfect opportunity to coldcock Donovan F. McNabb. You can be damn sure they'll be gunning for him next season though. The word "bounty" comes to mind. Now, now, I don't think it is "foreign objects;" those are used by heels to gauge babyfaces when the unsuspecting referee is busy telling the valet to get off the apron of the ring. I think "props" is the word you were looking for. On a somewhat related note, does anyone know which particular act (doubtlessly by a wide receiver) caused the addition to the celebration rule? Was it the sharpie incident? Was it one of the baby incidents from T.O.? Was it the mouth to mouth? Or actually would the football not be considered such a foreign object ... err... prop?
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Post by hifigator on Jan 12, 2009 17:43:53 GMT -5
Hoyainspirit... Perhaps I should remind you of the rules of etiquette on the HOYA Talk board. Rule #1 is NEVER say anything positive about anyone who is or ever was in any way whatsoever associated with the 'Cuse! You know, I actually forgot he played for Syracuse. Let me rephrase: I hope Andy Reid gets his ring. Nothing against Andy Reid, but I'm hoping that Brian Westbrook gets his ring. He has been an underappreciated stud for quite a while and through all the issues, I don't remember him being on the wrong side. Maybe I'm forgetting something obvious, but from what I remember, he's a class act.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 12, 2009 19:37:22 GMT -5
I'll be attending the opera next Sunday afternoon (we originally had tickets for January 25, as I intentionally avoided the 18th in ordering our series, but then our daughter was invited to a birthday party on the 25th, so we had to switch dates). I am not in the least upset that I will miss a battle between the Eagles and the Cardinals. This is an NFC championship matchup? Bleah.
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Post by Boz on Jan 12, 2009 20:00:54 GMT -5
Now, now, I don't think it is "foreign objects;" those are used by heels to gauge babyfaces when the unsuspecting referee is busy telling the valet to get off the apron of the ring. I think "props" is the word you were looking for. On a somewhat related note, does anyone know which particular act (doubtlessly by a wide receiver) caused the addition to the celebration rule? Was it the sharpie incident? Was it one of the baby incidents from T.O.? Was it the mouth to mouth? Or actually would the football not be considered such a foreign object ... err... prop? Actually, I'm pretty sure the rule does in fact specify "foreign objects," not "props," even though props is what they say on TV. I could be wrong. I also could be wrong on this, but I think the incident that most immediately preceded the rule was the Joe Horn hidden cell phone in the goalpost stanchion padding.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 13, 2009 1:07:16 GMT -5
Boz, I think you are dead on with the cell phone incident. I knew there was something I couldn't remember amongst the assorted litany of nonsense, and I knew that the Sharpie and the assorted T.O. incidents were earlier. I think you are correct. As for the appropriate terminology, I hope that my sarcasm didn't elude you. It was intended as half-joke and half-"in"-joke. Let Velvet Elvis explain it to you ... if he's (I hope it's "he's" ...) is still around.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 13, 2009 1:32:42 GMT -5
McNabb? Orange.
Westbrook? Nova.
Why don't we just root for Dan Orlovsky, too?
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