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Post by screamingcorn on Nov 25, 2008 10:34:27 GMT -5
[/quote] Last I checked...the MLB standings weren't impacted by an RPI or SOS rating. And yes, a Yankee fan would root for the BoSox if Boston needed to beat up on a team for the Yankees benefit. To all you Hoya fans who really know the game... you'll all be rooting on the Cuse as soon as the Hoyas are vying for the BE title and the Cuse is playing Ucon, Louisville or Pitt. Enough said.[/quote] Fair point. However, as a Florida Gator football fan...I have been cheering against Georgia all season long. Does it help the Gators' SOS rankings when Georgia loses..no, it hurts them. But there is satisifaction in seeing a rival lose. And lose badly. Frequently. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying that because I cheer against 'Cuse, I am more of a fan than you or anybody else. Also, obviously I would cheer for the Orange if it were early March and there was some crazy situation where the Hoyas needed 'Cuse to win a game so that they could get into the tournament. But in the meantime, I'm going to cheer against the rivals and assume that Georgetown's season relies upon JTIII, his staff, and the players that take the court and not Syracuse winning a game which may or may not benefit us later. We're all Hoya fans here...can't we all just get along?
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 25, 2008 11:22:44 GMT -5
Last I checked...the MLB standings weren't impacted by an RPI or SOS rating. And yes, a Yankee fan would root for the BoSox if Boston needed to beat up on a team for the Yankees benefit. To all you Hoya fans who really know the game... you'll all be rooting on the Cuse as soon as the Hoyas are vying for the BE title and the Cuse is playing Ucon, Louisville or Pitt. Enough said. Fair point. However, as a Florida Gator football fan...I have been cheering against Georgia all season long. Does it help the Gators' SOS rankings when Georgia loses..no, it hurts them. But there is satisifaction in seeing a rival lose. And lose badly. Frequently. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying that because I cheer against 'Cuse, I am more of a fan than you or anybody else. Also, obviously I would cheer for the Orange if it were early March and there was some crazy situation where the Hoyas needed 'Cuse to win a game so that they could get into the tournament. But in the meantime, I'm going to cheer against the rivals and assume that Georgetown's season relies upon JTIII, his staff, and the players that take the court and not Syracuse winning a game which may or may not benefit us later. We're all Hoya fans here...can't we all just get along? Not if people continue to insist that Hoya fans should be rooting for Cuse.
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Post by Filo on Nov 25, 2008 11:58:46 GMT -5
C'mon TBird, no one is saying that a Hoya fans should root for 'Cuse. It is only true Hoya Fans or Hoya fans who really know the game who should root for 'Cuse.
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Post by DoubleOhHoya on Nov 25, 2008 12:28:12 GMT -5
The ONLY time any true Hoya fan can EVER want Syracuse to win(notice I did not say "root for" Syracuse) is if it will clinch the Big East title... This is a critical distinction. And let me add that if we are pulling for the victory, we should above all else be pulling for a pyrrhic victory. You know, one where they win, but their best player tears an ACL. And you can always pull for the scoreless tie in which everyone gets hurt.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 25, 2008 12:44:39 GMT -5
Never. Ever. Against Satan's minions. Against Pol Pot's death squads. Against Voldemort. Not even against a team of 5 Doug Gottlieb's. Please, please get this straight. The ONLY time any true Hoya fan can EVER want Syracuse to win(notice I did not say "root for" Syracuse) is if it will clinch the Big East title for us - and even that can only be done while watching a black and white 7-inch TV in a basement closet. We shall have no more discussion of this, lest it curse this board and Hoya Talk forever. HOYA SAXA. That pretty much sums it up. In any case, it's all behind us now. to screamingcorn, be careful what you root for. There are still a few of the sportstalk pundits that suggest that a Bama loss to Auburn coupled with a Georgia loss to Tech this weekend could be just enough to box us out of the Title game, even if we do run out. Personally, I don't think it will, but just in case, I don't see any reason to have Georgia lose to the Ramblin' Wreck. But in fairness, a really good friend of mine who happens to live in Atlanta sees things your way. He views them as I do FSU. He wants them to lose every game everytime.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Nov 25, 2008 13:18:37 GMT -5
The ONLY time any true Hoya fan can EVER want Syracuse to win(notice I did not say "root for" Syracuse) is if it will clinch the Big East title... This is a critical distinction. And let me add that if we are pulling for the victory, we should above all else be pulling for a pyrrhic victory. You know, one where they win, but their best player tears an ACL. And you can always pull for the scoreless tie in which everyone gets hurt. No way, that's not cool. That's messing with Karma. Here's my deal: I'll watch the game and see what happens. If the paper the next day says we won the BE title, than so be it. But I will never root for cuse or support them in any way. I might root AGAINST the OTHER team, as in, "Lordy, I hope that putz in white misses that 3 ball...nice." But I would never be thrilled about anything cuse did. And what is this we win a title contingent on cuse winning shenanigans anyway? We didn't win the title because of cuse, they just happenned to contribute towards knocking out a clearly inferior pretender team (i mean they lost to cuse, after all) and preserving our rightful position at the top. We got there cos of Sapp et all! So thanks to THEM! So GO HOYAS, HOYA SAXA, MONROE FOR PRESIDENT, etc.!!!! You all give those schmucks too much credit. If you can't beat cuse, you don't belong in the title or any "winners" conversation. They don't deserve any thanks, support, whatever. NEVER.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 25, 2008 13:27:01 GMT -5
This is a critical distinction. And let me add that if we are pulling for the victory, we should above all else be pulling for a pyrrhic victory. You know, one where they win, but their best player tears an ACL. And you can always pull for the scoreless tie in which everyone gets hurt. No way, that's not cool. That's messing with Karma. Here's my deal: I'll watch the game and see what happens. If the paper the next day says we won the BE title, than so be it. But I will never root for cuse or support them in any way. I might root AGAINST the OTHER team, as in, "Lordy, I hope that putz in white misses that 3 ball...nice." But I would never be thrilled about anything cuse did. And what is this we win a title contingent on cuse winning shenanigans anyway? We didn't win the title because of cuse, they just happenned to contribute towards knocking out a clearly inferior pretender team (i mean they lost to cuse, after all) and preserving our rightful position at the top. We got there cos of Sapp et all! So thanks to THEM! So GO HOYAS, HOYA SAXA, MONROE FOR PRESIDENT, etc.!!!! You all give those schmucks too much credit. If you can't beat cuse, you don't belong in the title or any "winners" conversation. They don't deserve any thanks, support, whatever. NEVER. AMEN.
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Post by The Stig on Nov 25, 2008 14:29:35 GMT -5
I remember at the BET a few years ago, ND was playing Cuse after our game. In my head I wanted Cuse to win, so we could play them and avenge our loss to them. But once the game started, I couldn't bring myself to root for them. It just wasn't possible.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 25, 2008 15:29:29 GMT -5
I remember at the BET a few years ago, ND was playing Cuse after our game. In my head I wanted Cuse to win, so we could play them and avenge our loss to them. But once the game started, I couldn't bring myself to root for them. It just wasn't possible. That reminds me of when Tennessee played FSU for the National Title. Heading into the game, I honestly didn't know who I "wanted" to win. In similar fashion as some of you have already said, I didn't wish injury on either team, but was kind of hoping they would have a massive power failure or some kind of unsafe structural damage or SOMETHING ... anything that would keep the game from being played. But just as you felt watching Cuse, there was zero doubt that I despise FSU and my feelings were very much that I wanted them to lose -- not that I wanted Tennessee to win.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Nov 26, 2008 10:44:16 GMT -5
I remember being at the BET in 2006. Syracuse was playing UConn in the first game of a doubleheader; we were playing in the second (against either ND or Marquette, strange that I don't remember that).
I really wanted to play and beat 'Cuse, but I couldn't root for them to beat the Huskies (whom I also despise) because I didn't know if we would get through, and couldn't stand the thought of them getting further than us after we destroyed them at MCI on Senior Day. They won, and we won, and I was excited for the next day's game.
Syracuse beat us in that game due to a third straight "heroic" end-game play by Gerry McNamara.
Never root for Syracuse.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 26, 2008 12:37:38 GMT -5
As if there was any doubt, I found my answer last night. Nope, I wasn't rooting for Syracuse even though it might be better for both Florida and Georgetown's RPIs. I don't really like Kansas much either, but there was no doubt I was pulling for the Jayhawks last night.
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