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Post by SSHoya on Nov 20, 2008 11:57:15 GMT -5
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 20, 2008 12:43:27 GMT -5
five ouch innocnet till proven guilty but ouch
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Post by hifigator on Nov 20, 2008 15:12:55 GMT -5
The fact that the DA is waiting to see what the UNIVERSITY does(!?) tells you all you need to know about how things work in Syracuse - the DA as an elected official never prosecutes Orangeboys (See e.g. Billy Edelin, Scoop Jardine/Jonny Flynn/Donte Green/ Rick Jackson, now this). Short of murder, the DA will smooch Boeheim's butt 'til the cows come home - which is around 5 p.m. in downtown Syracuse. Or he'll "smooch Boeheim's butt" until their season ends, which is sometime around the last week of February. Pretty damn funny strummer
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Post by atlasfrysmith on Nov 20, 2008 15:16:56 GMT -5
How the heck is punching someone in the face on the same level as a traffic ticket?
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Post by hifigator on Nov 20, 2008 15:17:31 GMT -5
this doesn't make much sense. Maybe newly NY Bar-Certified Cambridge can explain it to me:
Under New York state penal law, harassment in the second degree is defined as striking, shoving or kicking another person, or threatening to do the same. It's classified as a violation, which is a step below misdemeanor. Connellan placed it on the level of a traffic ticket.
Why wouldn't that be assault and battery? And how exactly is it a "step below" a misdemeanor? No wonder crime is so bad in New York.
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Post by hoyatables on Nov 20, 2008 15:48:08 GMT -5
this doesn't make much sense. Maybe newly NY Bar-Certified Cambridge can explain it to me: Under New York state penal law, harassment in the second degree is defined as striking, shoving or kicking another person, or threatening to do the same. It's classified as a violation, which is a step below misdemeanor. Connellan placed it on the level of a traffic ticket.
Why wouldn't that be assault and battery? And how exactly is it a "step below" a misdemeanor? No wonder crime is so bad in New York. Out of the many, many nonsensical logical fallacies you've made on this board, this one really might just take the cake.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 20, 2008 15:59:56 GMT -5
The fact that the DA is waiting to see what the UNIVERSITY does(!?) tells you all you need to know about how things work in Syracuse - the DA as an elected official never prosecutes Orangeboys (See e.g. Billy Edelin, Scoop Jardine/Jonny Flynn/Donte Green/ Rick Jackson, now this). Short of murder, the DA will smooch Boeheim's butt 'til the cows come home - which is around 5 p.m. in downtown Syracuse. Or he'll "smooch Boeheim's butt" until their season ends, which is sometime around the last week of February. Now now strummer - you know that the NIT is in March.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 20, 2008 17:55:17 GMT -5
this doesn't make much sense. Maybe newly NY Bar-Certified Cambridge can explain it to me: Under New York state penal law, harassment in the second degree is defined as striking, shoving or kicking another person, or threatening to do the same. It's classified as a violation, which is a step below misdemeanor. Connellan placed it on the level of a traffic ticket.
Why wouldn't that be assault and battery? And how exactly is it a "step below" a misdemeanor? No wonder crime is so bad in New York. Out of the many, many nonsensical logical fallacies you've made on this board, this one really might just take the cake. The link to high crime rates may be out of line, but I agree that punching someone in the face should be an assault (and at least a misdemeanor) in every jurisdiction.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 20, 2008 19:02:20 GMT -5
Shouldn't Magoo at least be worried about the hours his kids are keeping in-season?
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Post by hoyatables on Nov 20, 2008 22:34:43 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300][/shadow] Out of the many, many nonsensical logical fallacies you've made on this board, this one really might just take the cake. The link to high crime rates may be out of line, but I agree that punching someone in the face should be an assault (and at least a misdemeanor) in every jurisdiction. The distinction seems to be intent. There are CLEARLY provisions of the NY penal code that consider punching someone in the face to be assault, and the specific intent is "with intent to cause physical injury". THen there's harrassment which notes that the specific intent is "intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person" For whatever reason, the charge assummed the lesser intent. I don't know nearly enough about crim to know why that was.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 20, 2008 22:57:49 GMT -5
The Police Report follows at this link: tinyurl.com/Police-ReportApart from the troubling situation here, if the allegations are true, it raises questions about Boeheim's program. It seems like they have legal issues and side-shows every season.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 20, 2008 23:15:42 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300][/shadow] The link to high crime rates may be out of line, but I agree that punching someone in the face should be an assault (and at least a misdemeanor) in every jurisdiction. The distinction seems to be intent. There are CLEARLY provisions of the NY penal code that consider punching someone in the face to be assault, and the specific intent is "with intent to cause physical injury". THen there's harrassment which notes that the specific intent is "intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person" For whatever reason, the charge assummed the lesser intent. I don't know nearly enough about crim to know why that was. Physical injury is defined in NY to be impairment of physical condition or substantial pain. If the victim had a cut or bruise, however insubstantial, this case probably should have been filed as a misdemeanor assault. One of two things is likely happening here. 1) Devendorf is getting the hometown treatment; or 2) the victim has been uncooperative with law enforcement since filing the report, and there were no visible injuries at the time the report was made (bruises sometimes take a day or two to show up). As long as we're discussing legal mumbo-jumbo, it should be pointed out there is not a warrant out for Devendorf's arrest. The police asking for an arrest warrant is not the same as a warrant being issued. If there were an open warrant for Cheddar Bob's arrest, the state troopers who keep the mouth-breathers under control at the Carrier Dome would be required by law to cuff him. BTW, if it wasn't clear by my comment above, I find the district attorney's decision to defer to the University in this case loathsome. Jim Boeheim and/or SU administrators should not be allowed, under any circumstances, to affect the enforcement of the laws of the state of New York. ON EDIT: Didn't see the police report link before posting, which states the victim "did not appear to have any physical injuries and denied [refused?] any medical treatment." Also appears charging SU students through the "Student Code of Conduct" is possible in Syracuse, NY, so I retract my statement regarding the DA office until hearing more about how that system works.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 21, 2008 10:05:20 GMT -5
I have heard from a friend of a friend that this definitely happened and the girl had quite a shinner from getting hit.( not sure how long after the incident it appeared but she definetly is showing signs of an attack.)
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Post by kchoya on Nov 21, 2008 11:23:43 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300][/shadow] The link to high crime rates may be out of line, but I agree that punching someone in the face should be an assault (and at least a misdemeanor) in every jurisdiction. The distinction seems to be intent. There are CLEARLY provisions of the NY penal code that consider punching someone in the face to be assault, and the specific intent is "with intent to cause physical injury". THen there's harrassment which notes that the specific intent is "intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person" For whatever reason, the charge assummed the lesser intent. I don't know nearly enough about crim to know why that was. As a practical matter, when would someone ever punch someone in the face WITHOUT the intent to cause physical injury. Second, anyone ever known a prosecutor to undercharge in the absence of any hometown favors going on?
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Post by hifigator on Nov 21, 2008 12:18:51 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300][/shadow] The distinction seems to be intent. There are CLEARLY provisions of the NY penal code that consider punching someone in the face to be assault, and the specific intent is "with intent to cause physical injury". THen there's harrassment which notes that the specific intent is "intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person" For whatever reason, the charge assummed the lesser intent. I don't know nearly enough about crim to know why that was. As a practical matter, when would someone ever punch someone in the face WITHOUT the intent to cause physical injury. Second, anyone ever known a prosecutor to undercharge in the absence of any hometown favors going on? Actually yes -- not that I'm suggesting that's the case here. But sometimes they will opt for the easy plea rather than take the riskier more serious charge which may very well get dropped.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 21, 2008 12:31:39 GMT -5
this doesn't make much sense. Maybe newly NY Bar-Certified Cambridge can explain it to me: Under New York state penal law, harassment in the second degree is defined as striking, shoving or kicking another person, or threatening to do the same. It's classified as a violation, which is a step below misdemeanor. Connellan placed it on the level of a traffic ticket.
Why wouldn't that be assault and battery? And how exactly is it a "step below" a misdemeanor? No wonder crime is so bad in New York. Out of the many, many nonsensical logical fallacies you've made on this board, this one really might just take the cake. I missed that one the first time. Are you nuts? What in the world is so "nonsensical" in what I said? The only conceivable comment would be the "crime rate in New York" part, and if you can't tell that's sarcasm, then you are dumber than a rock.
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 21, 2008 12:39:46 GMT -5
Perhaps the young lady actually walked into a door.*
*When I was a junior at GU, my girl friend and I were playing around one night and she inadvertently whacked her eye against my shoulder. She got quite a shiner, and told everyone she had walked into a swinging door.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 21, 2008 12:58:27 GMT -5
Perhaps the young lady actually walked into a door.* *When I was a junior at GU, my girl friend and I were playing around one night and she inadvertently whacked her eye against my shoulder. She got quite a shiner, and told everyone she had walked into a swinging door. There was a rather famous episode of "I Love Lucy" which involved a similar happening, except it wasn't a door but rather a book. I forget who "got it" first, but Ricky and Lucy were loudly arguing and then the next day one of them had a shiner. It really was from the throwing of a book. In any case, by the end of the show, all four of them -- Ricky, Lucy, Fred and Ethel -- had black eyes and there hadn't been a punch thrown by any of them.
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Post by ichirohoya on Nov 21, 2008 13:12:47 GMT -5
only on talkboard can a discussion of Eric Devendorf turn into talking about I Love Lucy. Boeheim=Fred Mertz?
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Post by hoyatables on Nov 21, 2008 13:36:25 GMT -5
Out of the many, many nonsensical logical fallacies you've made on this board, this one really might just take the cake. I missed that one the first time. Are you nuts? What in the world is so "nonsensical" in what I said? The only conceivable comment would be the "crime rate in New York" part, and if you can't tell that's sarcasm, then you are dumber than a rock. "No wonder crime is so bad in New York." You draw an inference that the alleged reason that crime in New York City is so bad (which in itself presumes quite a bit) based on the law enforcement practices of a small city 250 miles away.
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