Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Nov 10, 2008 11:02:22 GMT -5
on what has been a graceful and very mature approach to this transition period.
He has hit all of the right notes and if reports are to be believed is looking to include some Republican talent in his Cabinet.
A very good start from the perspective of one who did not support him as a candidate, but will support him as our President.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 10, 2008 11:09:26 GMT -5
on what has been a graceful and very mature approach to this transition period. He has hit all of the right notes and if reports are to be believed is looking to include some Republican talent in his Cabinet. A very good start from the perspective of one who did not support him as a candidate, but will support him as our President. tinyurl.com/4g4cnm
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Post by Elvado on Nov 10, 2008 11:21:48 GMT -5
Wrong. Completely wrong.
The election is over. Come January 20, 2009, Mr. Obama is our President. All of us. I want him to do well and will support him all the way.
No sarcasm whatsoever here.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 10, 2008 11:23:31 GMT -5
The first test of Obama's claim to operate in a bipartisan way will be the things he chooses at the outset in his executive orders. If he supports the so-called fairness doctrine and if he overturns Bush's ban on Federal funding for embryonic stem cell research he will immediately establish himself as partisan.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 10, 2008 11:29:21 GMT -5
Don't bother with St. Pete. He is still basking in his glory.
In fairness though Elvado, for the first 2 lines of your post, I thought you were talking about Bush transitioning to Obama, not the other way around. But I agree with your conclusion wholeheartedly -- maybe something that separates those of us on the right from them on the left. I want US to do well, even if it means that the "credit" might go to the other side of the aisle -- unlike the last 8 years, or at least 4 years, where the left was just waiting for anything and everything to go wrong so they could blame it on the right.
Not wanting to hijack the thread, so suffice it to say that once again, I can honestly say that I want to be able to say that I was wrong and that Obama is, in fact, the open-minded, bipartisan, unusual democrat that he ran as, unlike the ultra-left, redistributing politician that I feared he was. I do hope that a year, 2 years and 4 years from now that I can openly admit that I was wrong. If so, then I'll tell you now that I will have no problem supporting Obama for a 2nd term.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 10, 2008 12:23:40 GMT -5
The first test of Obama's claim to operate in a bipartisan way will be the things he chooses at the outset in his executive orders. If he supports the so-called fairness doctrine and if he overturns Bush's ban on Federal funding for embryonic stem cell research he will immediately establish himself as partisan. I agree with the first of your two issues, but not stem cell research...this, i don't believe, qualifies as a partisan issue. A number of republicans supported federal funding for stem cell research You beat me to it brasky, and I agree with you. (ducking under the table -- waiting for lightning ....) Ed and I disagree on this issue, and I think it is a great example of a social issue that isn't partisan. Like I have said all along, Nancy Reagan had it right while W. had it wrong.
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Post by hoyatables on Nov 10, 2008 12:40:29 GMT -5
What the heck is going on? Must have been milkshakes 'n sandwiches weekend. That, or the imminent start of the season has us all feeling warm and squishy inside.
In all seriousness, well said. Plenty of people, myself included, were guilty of failing to respect the office even if we disagreed with the direction for the past 8 years. Makes it all the more impressive that GOP-ers are not responding in kind.
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Post by Boz on Nov 10, 2008 13:15:18 GMT -5
Yes, yes. It's all lovely. Let's just not go here, OK? www.zefrank.com/from52to48withlove/Because this is so cloyingly disgusting, it makes me want to retch. And yes, Georgetown is represented. Blech, blech, BLECH!!!!! (but yeah, the transition seems to be going well; heck he even apologized to Nancy Reagan after a pretty poor joke at her expense)
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Post by Filo on Nov 10, 2008 13:50:12 GMT -5
Ahhh, Nancy Reagan. The act of relying on seances or whatever supernatural guidance in decision-making absolutely deserves to be ridiculed. I guess Obama's apology to Nancy Reagan was warranted only for the fact that he made a mistake about which ridiculous practice she used while in the White House. He mistakenly referred to seances, when Nancy Reagan apparently consulted astrologists.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2008 13:50:14 GMT -5
Yes, yes. It's all lovely. Let's just not go here, OK? www.zefrank.com/from52to48withlove/Because this is so cloyingly disgusting, it makes me want to retch. And yes, Georgetown is represented. Blech, blech, BLECH!!!!! (but yeah, the transition seems to be going well; heck he even apologized to Nancy Reagan after a pretty poor joke at her expense) BAH! Humbug! Partisan sniping is more fun! ;D
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Post by Boz on Nov 10, 2008 14:02:37 GMT -5
Ahhh, Nancy Reagan. The act of relying on seances or whatever supernatural guidance in decision-making absolutely deserves to be ridiculed. I guess Obama's apology to Nancy Reagan was warranted only for the fact that he made a mistake about which ridiculous practice she used while in the White House. He mistakenly referred to seances, when Nancy Reagan apparently consulted astrologists. Well, actually, I think he apologized because she's nearly 90 years old and you really never look very good mocking a nonagenarian. Granted, she wasn't 90 when she was consulting astrologists, but then again, Hillary Clinton used to talk to Eleanor Roosevelt, so who's the weirder, eh?
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Post by Filo on Nov 10, 2008 14:06:06 GMT -5
Yep, Hillary, and apparently a bunch of former first ladies did the seance thing (incl. Mary Todd Lincoln). Wacky.
If Hilary won the election, I wonder if she would have continued channeling dead first ladies or moved on to dead presidents...
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 10, 2008 14:12:23 GMT -5
The first test of Obama's claim to operate in a bipartisan way will be the things he chooses at the outset in his executive orders. If he supports the so-called fairness doctrine and if he overturns Bush's ban on Federal funding for embryonic stem cell research he will immediately establish himself as partisan. I agree with the first of your two issues, but not stem cell research...this, i don't believe, qualifies as a partisan issue. A number of republicans supported federal funding for stem cell research Virutally all Republicans support stem cell research but a very large percent of Republicans strongly object to embryonic stem cell research. Leading off his administration by supporting Federal funds for embryonic stem cell research is shoving it down the throats of a very large percent of Republicans. And if you do not understand this is a partisan issue you are completely misunderstanding the importance of this issue to so many Republicans.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 10, 2008 16:25:58 GMT -5
I agree with the first of your two issues, but not stem cell research...this, i don't believe, qualifies as a partisan issue. A number of republicans supported federal funding for stem cell research Virutally all Republicans support stem cell research but a very large percent of Republicans strongly object to embryonic stem cell research. Leading off his administration by supporting Federal funds for embryonic stem cell research is shoving it down the throats of a very large percent of Republicans. And if you do not understand this is a partisan issue you are completely misunderstanding the importance of this issue to so many Republicans. ed, it isn't that I don't understand that the issue is so deeply important to so many, I just don't agree. I think it would be in the best interests to soften the stance on such issues, both from a bipartisan point of view as well as for actually making progress in the directions that us conservatives WOULD agree. Excessive focusing on things like this are couterproductive in my opinion. Notice, that I didn't say "wrong," just counterproductive. In other words, the fact that I might disagree isn't the same opinion that I think it would be better left to have that issue take a back seat for now.
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Post by Bando on Nov 10, 2008 16:59:23 GMT -5
Ahhh, Nancy Reagan. The act of relying on seances or whatever supernatural guidance in decision-making absolutely deserves to be ridiculed. I guess Obama's apology to Nancy Reagan was warranted only for the fact that he made a mistake about which ridiculous practice she used while in the White House. He mistakenly referred to seances, when Nancy Reagan apparently consulted astrologists. Well, actually, I think he apologized because she's nearly 90 years old and you really never look very good mocking a nonagenarian. Granted, she wasn't 90 when she was consulting astrologists, but then again, Hillary Clinton used to talk to Eleanor Roosevelt, so who's the weirder, eh? I generally think that mocking people who believe in astrology is generally the right course in most situations. Here, though, she's 90, so it would be best to let it go. For future reference board conservatives: my atheism extends to hippie new age stuff. Feel free to bring me on board the next time anyone mentions chi
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Post by Boz on Nov 10, 2008 17:34:11 GMT -5
Just as long as you believe in the Greek, Roman and Norse pantheons, we won't have a problem, Bando. I think what I liked about what Obama did was this: It was pretty much a nothing story. Sure maybe it was in bad taste, but it wasn't anything earth-shattering. But instead of having Robert Gibbs go out there and give a statement saying he "apologizes if he offended anyone, including Mrs. Reagan," he called her up himself and said I'm sorry. Gotta' hand it to him. That's pretty smooth. That's Lando smooth. He handles the Russkies that well, he might be onto something. And sorry, I know I hijacked this a bit. I'm sure elvado's original point had nothing to do with this trifle. Please feel free to resume overall transition activity discussion.
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Post by hoyatables on Nov 10, 2008 18:12:59 GMT -5
Just as long as you believe in the Greek, Roman and Norse pantheons, we won't have a problem, Bando. I think what I liked about what Obama did was this: It was pretty much a nothing story. Sure maybe it was in bad taste, but it wasn't anything earth-shattering. But instead of having Robert Gibbs go out there and give a statement saying he "apologizes if he offended anyone, including Mrs. Reagan," he called her up himself and said I'm sorry. Gotta' hand it to him. That's pretty smooth. That's Lando smooth. He handles the Russkies that well, he might be onto something. And sorry, I know I hijacked this a bit. I'm sure elvado's original point had nothing to do with this trifle. Please feel free to resume overall transition activity discussion. That's it. Air Force One is now officially renamed The Millenium Falcon.And does this make Joe Biden Nien Numb? Because really, Lieberman looks more the part . . . .
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Post by TC on Nov 10, 2008 18:30:47 GMT -5
I think David Plouffe is more Nien Nunb (they talk about the same amount and there's a facial resemblance). Axelrod would be Lobot.
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Post by The Stig on Nov 10, 2008 18:54:00 GMT -5
The BBC listed 4 things that Obama might repeal with executive orders, among 200 Bush executive orders that are being considered: - Limited federal funding for medical research using human embryo stem cells - Aid groups receiving US aid barred from counselling women about abortion availability - California barred from imposing minimum standards of vehicle fuel efficiency - Utah land being opened up for oil and gas drilling news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7720137.stmI will tip my hat to Bush for being proactive on smoothing the transition. The initiative on this clearly came from his side, and it's good for the country.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2008 19:57:51 GMT -5
I am not sure why Bush's gentlemanly posture on the transition is any great surprise. He and his family have a long tradition of this kind of behavior.
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