HoyaNyr320
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Jan 19, 2012 15:48:04 GMT -5
I'm excited for the reinauguration too! ;D
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 19, 2012 15:49:10 GMT -5
Agreed, I would guess most folks wouldnt have even bothered to read the articles about the decision. Notably, the part where TransCanada is pretty much matter of factly going to reapply with information they expected they were going to have to provide. It will then be reviewed in the time it should be reviewed, and probably approved. But, who cares about facts when Obama kills jobs ;D Reviewed in the time it should be approved? What about the last three years? I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how this decision was in the "national interest" of the U.S., which is what I understand the applicable standard to be. If you are looking for an explanation why dont you go to the Justice/State Department and ask for it, or read the law. You dont think it is there? Its on the State Dept website. Again, you prove my point. People dont care about the facts. You think the Justice/State Department is just inventing the concept and fooling all 300 million Americans?
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 19, 2012 15:51:32 GMT -5
2012 Republican Primary Rules : Romney gets more votes than Candidate Z, ROMNEY WINS! Candidate Z gets more votes than Romney, ROMNEY WINS! No wait.... IT'S A TIE! TC--I thought you were smarter than the main stream media. Iowa is a caucus, not a primary. ;D
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Post by kchoya on Jan 19, 2012 15:53:03 GMT -5
Reviewed in the time it should be approved? What about the last three years? I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how this decision was in the "national interest" of the U.S., which is what I understand the applicable standard to be. If you are looking for an explanation why dont you go to the Justice/State Department and ask for it, or read the law. You dont think it is there? Its on the website. Again, you prove my point. People dont care about the facts. You think the Justice/State Department is just inventing the concept and fooling all 300 million Americans? So, you're saying you don't know why they rejected it. Thanks.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 19, 2012 15:55:29 GMT -5
I didnt say i was waiting for an explanation, you did. I trust that the State Department properly evaluated the application and rejected it based applicable standards as promulgated under law. I dont think they just denied the application because Obama hates jobs and loves environmentalists.
1700 mile oil pipelines that travel through like 6-10 of our States from Canada are a pretty big Federal projects. Power plant companies, and anti-regulatory wonks, argue that regulations kill jobs because companies cant retrofit plants for emissions purposes in the required 2-3 years. So, if that is believed to be true, i presume that a lot goes into building 1,700 mile oil pipelines.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 19, 2012 16:21:46 GMT -5
I didnt say i was waiting for an explanation, you did. I trust that the State Department properly evaluated the application and rejected it based applicable standards as promulgated under law. I dont think they just denied the application because Obama hates jobs and loves environmentalists. 1700 mile oil pipelines that travel through like 6-10 of our States from Canada are a pretty big Federal projects. Power plant companies, and anti-regulatory wonks, argue that regulations kill jobs because companies cant retrofit plants for emissions purposes in the required 2-3 years. So, if that is believed to be true, i presume that a lot goes into building 1,700 mile oil pipelines. I'm unclear what this last paragraph means. If anything, this pipeline is an example of regulations killing jobs. Whether that's a good idea (pipeline = enviro disaster) or a bad thing (pipeline not that being a deal) actually hasn't been decided yet. Obama only rejected the pipeline b/c he wanted more time. abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/president-obama-rejects-keystone-xl-pipeline/story?id=15387980#.TxiI8m_OxZEHe said so himself in his rationale. Same reason he pushed his original timeline back. Whether that's b/c of political reasons or needing more info, I'll let you decide. But there's something wrong with our regulatory process if we can't decide in 3+ years whether building a pipeline is a good idea. I don't see how anyone can disagree with that.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Jan 19, 2012 16:36:21 GMT -5
I'm excited for the reinauguration too! ;D After the last Obama inauguration, we saw some of the worst Hoya performances in recorded history. I think we need a change.
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kchoya
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Post by kchoya on Jan 19, 2012 17:27:58 GMT -5
I didnt say i was waiting for an explanation, you did. I trust that the State Department properly evaluated the application and rejected it based applicable standards as promulgated under law. I dont think they just denied the application because Obama hates jobs and loves environmentalists. 1700 mile oil pipelines that travel through like 6-10 of our States from Canada are a pretty big Federal projects. Power plant companies, and anti-regulatory wonks, argue that regulations kill jobs because companies cant retrofit plants for emissions purposes in the required 2-3 years. So, if that is believed to be true, i presume that a lot goes into building 1,700 mile oil pipelines. Aside from the fact that power plant companies/electric transmission line companies and oil pipelines are subject to different regulations and federal agencies...
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 19, 2012 17:33:56 GMT -5
If anything, this pipeline is an example of regulations killing jobs. I'm pretty sure the folks doing the environmental assessment aren't working for free. Generally speaking, industry (obviously) creates more jobs than regulation, but effective regulations have a beneficial effect on society and have the potential to create jobs. The Keystone XL pipeline absolutely needs to be built. I am not sure I agree with Ed that the denial of the permit was a purely political move, but I do agree that the eventual approval of the permit will occur during the heavy campaign season.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Jan 19, 2012 18:15:20 GMT -5
The pipeline does not matter in the election. Most people do not care, but most of those that do care and support the pipeline were going to oppose Obama anyway, now they just have a politically acceptable excuse, and those who opposed the pipeline were going to support Obama anyway, but now they will find something else to criticize him about so that they can still consider themselves outsiders. Most of the states involved are not in play.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 19, 2012 18:51:16 GMT -5
January 20, 2013 will be a wnderful day for America. Best case, the empty suit is out of office. Worst case, he's only got 4 years left to try and ruin the nation. Either way I look forward with HOPE to the day we get rid of the DOPE.
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Post by Boz on Jan 19, 2012 18:52:49 GMT -5
Politically acceptable excuse?
You're saying those didn't exist before today?
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 19, 2012 19:15:02 GMT -5
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TC
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Post by TC on Jan 19, 2012 21:47:36 GMT -5
This is like the third time you've offered some article that offers no proof that people voted at the polls through impersonation as some sort of evidence of the need for voter ID.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Jan 19, 2012 23:57:36 GMT -5
Yes, they can cite the pipeline as a politically acceptable example of what they don't like about Obama instead of making up lies about racial demographics about welfare and food stamps.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 20, 2012 6:08:29 GMT -5
This is like the third time you've offered some article that offers no proof that people voted at the polls through impersonation as some sort of evidence of the need for voter ID. And is this the third time you have failed to recognize that, without voter ID, dead people can vote? Or illegal aliens?
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Post by ksf42001 on Jan 20, 2012 6:12:31 GMT -5
This is like the third time you've offered some article that offers no proof that people voted at the polls through impersonation as some sort of evidence of the need for voter ID. And is this the third time you have failed to recognize that, without voter ID, dead people can vote? Or illegal aliens? Dead people can vote with a voter ID law too, so I don't see your point...
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Post by kchoya on Jan 20, 2012 9:23:32 GMT -5
The pipeline does not matter in the election. Most people do not care, but most of those that do care and support the pipeline were going to oppose Obama anyway, now they just have a politically acceptable excuse, and those who opposed the pipeline were going to support Obama anyway, but now they will find something else to criticize him about so that they can still consider themselves outsiders. Most of the states involved are not in play. Most of the states involved? So, the oil that comes down the pipeline, and the resulting products, will only have an effect on the states through which the new pipeline travels? Got it. I knew I should have taken an econ course at Georgetown. And I found how Obama's decision serves the national interest. Apparently rejecting the pipeline is in the national interests of China, not the US. Silly me. President Barack Obama’s decision yesterday to reject a permit for TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone XL oil pipeline may prompt Canada to turn to China for oil exports.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper, in a telephone call yesterday, told Obama “Canada will continue to work to diversify its energy exports,” according to details provided by Harper’s office. Canadian Natural Resource Minister Joe Oliver said relying less on the U.S. would help strengthen the country’s “financial security.”
The “decision by the Obama administration underlines the importance of diversifying and expanding our markets, including the growing Asian market,” Oliver told reporters in Ottawa. www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-19/canada-pledges-to-sell-oil-to-asia-after-obama-rejects-keystone-pipeline.html
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 20, 2012 10:19:10 GMT -5
The pipeline does not matter in the election. That kind of talk will get you shot in Houston.
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Post by Buckets on Jan 20, 2012 10:20:12 GMT -5
This is like the third time you've offered some article that offers no proof that people voted at the polls through impersonation as some sort of evidence of the need for voter ID. And is this the third time you have failed to recognize that, without voter ID, dead people can vote? Or illegal aliens? Dead people can receive social security checks as well. Would you advocate the elderly needing to show up at a government office every week with identification to receive their check, or would you say that would be placing an undue burden on vulnerable populations relative to the problem that you would be cutting down on?
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