DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 17, 2012 15:00:56 GMT -5
That aside, what's up with people "suspending" their campaigns (Cain, Bachmann, Huntsman)? I don't think that anyone is harboring any illusions that they will be back in the race at any point. Why not just withdraw, or officially end your campaign? A "suspended" campaign can still raise money, if for no other reason to pay down debts, but if a candidate is looking ahead, it keeps the apparatus in place for the next run. The Romney "campaign" has been around for five years. It also can legally remain on the ballots of states they have already registered for, e.g., Cain is still on the SC ballot.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 17, 2012 15:48:14 GMT -5
And Dole. And Dole and McCain had what in common? Both lost. So? DFW was talking about who was going to be the favorite for a possible 2016 primary. Your argument that Dole won the primary in 1996 after losing in 1988 furthers his point. In 3 out of the 4 last primaries, the winner finished 2nd in the previous primary cycle. Unless we think Ron Paul is going to win a possible 2016 primary, I think he's got a point about Huntsman. If the key to winning the Republican nomination is finishing second, then how will that make Huntsman the favorite in 2016? Santorum is the most likely to finish second at this point, which would make him the favorite, though I doubt that will be true--there are too many candidates that didnt run this year who would be favored in 2016 over Santorum
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 16:02:50 GMT -5
Thanks, bmartin and DFW.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 18, 2012 8:34:43 GMT -5
Barry O off to Disney World to tout his new jobs plan. What better place for Obama and job creation than Fantasyland...
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Post by sead43 on Jan 18, 2012 12:13:43 GMT -5
It also can legally remain on the ballots of states they have already registered for, e.g., Cain is still on the SC ballot. you mean that guy who hosts a show at 11:30 on comedy central? ;D
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Post by Boz on Jan 18, 2012 13:30:34 GMT -5
Barry O off to Disney World to tout his new jobs plan. What better place for Obama and job creation than Fantasyland... T minus 368... Shut up, you! There is nothing funny about that at all. No one make any jokes any aspect of this. Particularly not when he starts talking in front of the Disney iconic logo about corporations and rich people not paying their fair share. Just like there is nothing ironic at all about him using Bank of America Stadium for his convention acceptance speech. NOTHING, I tell you!!!!! ;D
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 19, 2012 10:53:01 GMT -5
Lots of news on the Republican front. Perry drops out and (apparently) endorses Newt. Sarah says she would vote for Newt if she lived in SC so the race could go on longer. And Newt's ex-wife is prepared to lower her bombshell. Hard to tell how all this will land.
Meanwhile, Obama postponed the oil pipeline. However, I'm suspicious enough to say that, come September or so, he will announce that significant environmental changes have been made and he is now prepared to go ahead. This way he can play both sides of it. Purely in the national interest, of course.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 19, 2012 11:19:51 GMT -5
Lots of news on the Republican front. Perry drops out and (apparently) endorses Newt. Sarah says she would vote for Newt if she lived in SC so the race could go on longer. And Newt's ex-wife is prepared to lower her bombshell. Hard to tell how all this will land. Meanwhile, Obama postponed the oil pipeline. However, I'm suspicious enough to say that, come September or so, he will announce that significant environmental changes have been made and he is now prepared to go ahead. This way he can play both sides of it. Purely in the national interest, of course. Jeez Ed, why bother with all the fluff when you can focus on the important stuff: www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/from-the-yearbook-to-the-white-house-the-2012-republicans-in-high-school/239485/
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Post by Buckets on Jan 19, 2012 12:20:46 GMT -5
I assume the irony that you posted an eight-month-old story you found on a website that's current top stories are a dozen links discussing Newt Gingrich's ex-wife, followed by Ron Paul's hot air balloon and the story you just linked is lost on you.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 19, 2012 12:24:42 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Obama postponed the oil pipeline. However, I'm suspicious enough to say that, come September or so, he will announce that significant environmental changes have been made and he is now prepared to go ahead. This way he can play both sides of it. Purely in the national interest, of course. Since the main environmental opposition to the pipeline has been the route and the general concept of a pipeline (though I'm sure some environmentalists object in principle), this is exactly what anyone expect to happen. The timing may end up good politics, but even if politics weren't being played (and of course they are), this would be the outcome a moderate democrat would be looking for.
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Post by badgerhoya on Jan 19, 2012 12:43:17 GMT -5
Lots of news on the Republican front. Perry drops out and (apparently) endorses Newt. Sarah says she would vote for Newt if she lived in SC so the race could go on longer. And Newt's ex-wife is prepared to lower her bombshell. Hard to tell how all this will land. Meanwhile, Obama postponed the oil pipeline. However, I'm suspicious enough to say that, come September or so, he will announce that significant environmental changes have been made and he is now prepared to go ahead. This way he can play both sides of it. Purely in the national interest, of course. Jeez Ed, why bother with all the fluff when you can focus on the important stuff: www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/from-the-yearbook-to-the-white-house-the-2012-republicans-in-high-school/239485/The better question is, who the hell is Fred Karger?
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Post by TC on Jan 19, 2012 12:49:52 GMT -5
C'mon no one is interested in South Carolina's one night stand with Newtmentum? He's ahead! He's ten points behind! No wait, he's ahead! He rejects the tenets of capitalism! He wanted an open marriage! He's got Yosemite Sam in his corner now! Pretty much whatever plotline the media wants, he's there to give it to them.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 19, 2012 13:23:52 GMT -5
Look, I don't like Newt and have already said I would never vote for him. But...Bill Clinton had the closest thing to an open marriage as you might imagine but the Dems still adore him.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 19, 2012 13:28:31 GMT -5
I assume the irony that you posted an eight-month-old story you found on a website that's current top stories are a dozen links discussing Newt Gingrich's ex-wife, followed by Ron Paul's hot air balloon and the story you just linked is lost on you. Not sure where the irony is or where I claimed this was current news. Apparently sarcasm is lost on you. Of should I point out the irony of you bitching about how old a "story" is when the content of the "story" is a bunch of 40-year-old photographs.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 19, 2012 13:35:16 GMT -5
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 19, 2012 14:13:24 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Obama postponed the oil pipeline. However, I'm suspicious enough to say that, come September or so, he will announce that significant environmental changes have been made and he is now prepared to go ahead. This way he can play both sides of it. Purely in the national interest, of course. Since the main environmental opposition to the pipeline has been the route and the general concept of a pipeline (though I'm sure some environmentalists object in principle), this is exactly what anyone expect to happen. The timing may end up good politics, but even if politics weren't being played (and of course they are), this would be the outcome a moderate democrat would be looking for. Agreed, I would guess most folks wouldnt have even bothered to read the articles about the decision. Notably, the part where TransCanada is pretty much matter of factly going to reapply with information they expected they were going to have to provide. It will then be reviewed in the time it should be reviewed, and probably approved. But, who cares about facts when Obama kills jobs ;D
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 19, 2012 15:18:47 GMT -5
Look, I don't like Newt and have already said I would never vote for him. But...Bill Clinton had the closest thing to an open marriage as you might imagine but the Dems still adore him. My feelings about Clinton aside (though they don't fall into adore territory), most dems I know did not fall into the "cheating on your wife is okay" group but rather the "marital fidelity is not a prerequisite for being a good president" group. We can debate the validity of the latter assertion elsewhere, but I would call those dems hypocritical if they didn't support Newt because of his personal life. Meanwhile, plenty of conservatives claimed he was unfit for office simply for that fact -- not all -- but many. Them supporting Newt would be hypocrisy. There's a real difference, there. And none of those dems who said it didn't matter aren't not supporting Newt because of this -- they have plenty of policy reasons as well. There's also this: Clinton never campaigned on family values or attacked single moms as the cause of the problems of the US or accused others of immorality. Gingrich's entire run of being Speaker was based around this family values theme -- one which he never lived.
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Post by TC on Jan 19, 2012 15:35:49 GMT -5
2012 Republican Primary Rules :
Romney gets more votes than Candidate Z, ROMNEY WINS! Candidate Z gets more votes than Romney, ROMNEY WINS! No wait.... IT'S A TIE!
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Post by kchoya on Jan 19, 2012 15:36:09 GMT -5
Since the main environmental opposition to the pipeline has been the route and the general concept of a pipeline (though I'm sure some environmentalists object in principle), this is exactly what anyone expect to happen. The timing may end up good politics, but even if politics weren't being played (and of course they are), this would be the outcome a moderate democrat would be looking for. Agreed, I would guess most folks wouldnt have even bothered to read the articles about the decision. Notably, the part where TransCanada is pretty much matter of factly going to reapply with information they expected they were going to have to provide. It will then be reviewed in the time it should be reviewed, and probably approved. But, who cares about facts when Obama kills jobs ;D Reviewed in the time it should be approved? What about the last three years? I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how this decision was in the "national interest" of the U.S., which is what I understand the applicable standard to be.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 19, 2012 15:37:16 GMT -5
2012 Republican Primary Rules : Romney gets more votes than Candidate Z, ROMNEY WINS! Candidate Z gets more votes than Romney, ROMNEY WINS! No wait.... IT'S A TIE! You're talking about Iowa? That's so two weeks ago. I hate that commerical, BTW.
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