HoyaNyr320
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Oct 14, 2008 16:35:21 GMT -5
Tsk..Tsk... you forgot to include the words "liberal" and "elite" in your post. These words are necessary qualifiers when criticizing the liberal media elite. Follow the talking points- after all it's the liberal media elite that are to blame for this current economy too.
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Post by CWS on Oct 14, 2008 18:26:14 GMT -5
Speaking of Abraham Lincoln...... "I know that the Lord is always on the side of the right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the Lord's side." And Sarah Palin in her church: "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." Scandalous! ;D I personally think you have to give Lincoln a pass on the religious stuff. Origin of Species and all that were just coming out when he took office. "God is Dead" hadn't sunk in yet among the intellectual community, the phrase itself would not be written for a few decades, and intelligent people were still playing the God card in the 1860's. I know those who still believe in the God of the Bible today will think that's a wack thing to say, but personally I think stuff like what Palin said and some of the stuff that GWB says about "God" are just silly and totally out of place in the 21st century. They do it because they're trying to appeal to a whole segment of people who are clutching still to "the good book", but it still seems really out of place to me, or out of time more accurately. I'm sure a lot of great leaders through time have said some real nice things about God, but that doesn't mean they fit in 21st century discussion. Just my 2 cents. I'm biased, but I think it's fair to say that religion is more intellectually credible today than just 10 years ago, at least judging from how it is perceived and received in academic circles. On a related note: one of the world's foremost scholars of religion and secularism in the contemporary world will be at G'town for a couple of weeks and will give several public lectures: berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/events/1361
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Post by RBHoya on Oct 17, 2008 16:40:53 GMT -5
I can't remember which thread it was in where we were talking about Palin and whether or not she was legit as a candidate for 2012, but I saw this quote today and had to LOL at people thinking she's actually a serious politician (it's just one of the many reasons): "Palin also made a point of mentioning that she loved to visit the "pro-America" areas of the country, of which North Carolina is one. No word on which states she views as unpatriotic."voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/17/to_avoid_being_depressed_palin.htmlRepublicans might as well just run Limbaugh or Hannity, they'd be equally divisive/terrible for the populace, and I'm sure they're much more well-read.
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Post by Boz on Oct 17, 2008 16:51:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the update, Bill Burton.
It's encouraging to see that Juliet Eilperin is using lines right out of Obama campaign e-mails in her stories.
I missed the WP story that criticized Joe Biden for not knowing how many letters are in the word "jobs."
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 17, 2008 17:14:12 GMT -5
I can't remember which thread it was in where we were talking about Palin and whether or not she was legit as a candidate for 2012, but I saw this quote today and had to LOL at people thinking she's actually a serious politician (it's just one of the many reasons): "Palin also made a point of mentioning that she loved to visit the "pro-America" areas of the country, of which North Carolina is one. No word on which states she views as unpatriotic."voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/17/to_avoid_being_depressed_palin.htmlRepublicans might as well just run Limbaugh or Hannity, they'd be equally divisive/terrible for the populace, and I'm sure they're much more well-read. I'm from NJ living in DC, and I hate America. Really, I do.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Oct 17, 2008 17:18:07 GMT -5
I have no idea who Bill Burton is and he apparently does not have a wikipedia page, ergo I know not what you mean Boz.
Interesting reply with Biden though but totally unrelated. I am all for all media outlets carrying all things, though some are naturally going to garner more attention than others.
I THINK that point that you're making is that Palin made an error in speaking by saying "pro-American parts of America", and she just should have stopped, thought about it and used a different adjective than pro-America. That would be roughly equivalent to Biden, who should have stopped and counted the number of letters.
BUT, I think it's a totally different sort of thing. Biden not counting the number of letters makes him look like a dope, but everybody can be pretty sure if he stopped and thought about it he'd get it right. But what Palin said, I don't think was a tiny logic error. I think it was indicative of the way a lot of far right folks think. We love our troops, we love our freedom, we hate terrorists who hate our freedom, you're with us or youre against us/french/a Edited who hates america, leaving iraq now means you want to see us lose and you want the troops to have died for nothing, etc etc etc.
Like I said I can't remember what thread it was in where we talked a little bit about the Republican candidates for 2012. As an independent, I'd be very interested in Jindal v. Obama or Romney v. Obama. But Palin represents a lot of what I hate about the Republican party, namely narrow-mindedness and over simplification and idiotic false dichotomies rooted in anti-intellectualism.
Do a lot of liberals cross the line sometimes when they voice displeasure with the state of things in America? Yup. But I really can't stand the idiots who think that saying the Iraq War was a bad idea makes you any less American, or supporting government intervention in markets at times makes you one step away from Karl Marx ie a bad American. There are other examples, but I'm pressed for time at the moment... But I don't think what Palin said was noteworthy because it was a verbal gaffe, I think it was noteworthy because she said something honest and it reflects how she and a lot of the other dopes in our country really feel.
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 17, 2008 18:39:05 GMT -5
I hope the future of the Republican party supports hunting wolves from airplanes.
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 17, 2008 19:03:08 GMT -5
RB, when the Dems stop calling conservatives or evangelical Christians right wing extremists, as they do every day, maybe the conservatives will stop calling some Dems names like anti-American or unpatriotic.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 17, 2008 19:20:25 GMT -5
RB, when the Dems stop calling conservatives or evangelical Christians right wing extremists, as they do every day, maybe the conservatives will stop calling some Dems names like anti-American or unpatriotic. That's disgusting, ed. One attack fundamentally and affirmatively excludes a group from the polity, while another attack, unfortunate though it may be, merely states that a group of people is at the extreme of that polity. I don't agree with either attack, but one thing is clear, it is not Christian to voice either. I happen to think it is slightly ironic that some tinhorn politician from Alaska chose to deliver this message in North Carolina. Politicians in NC seem to have been on the wrong side of a few battles to preserve our union. While that is not "nice" to say, it also reflects a hope that they will not get it wrong again. History, though, does not yet inspire much confidence.
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Post by RBHoya on Oct 18, 2008 0:10:52 GMT -5
RB, when the Dems stop calling conservatives or evangelical Christians right wing extremists, as they do every day, maybe the conservatives will stop calling some Dems names like anti-American or unpatriotic. Ed, I agree that both accusations are off base but do 2 wrongs really make a right? I'm not a fan of "they call us a bad name so we're gonna do it to them" logic. Plus as Ambassador says, I think calling someone unpatriotic is MUCH worse and much more serious than calling somebody an extremist. A lot of conservatives say that some liberals are left wing extremists or socialists or "commies" when they really aren't. That kind of stuff goes both ways. But when you start to suggest that people are unpatriotic just because they disagree with some of the things that the national government does, I think that's silly and unnecessarily divisive. There are a lot of very intelligent conservatives whose politics I like a lot. But there's another faction of the party who just spew the talking points and try to suggest that democrats are communists or terrorists or unamerican. That's garbage and the country doesn't need that kind of stuff in the political arena, imho. And it seems that Palin has become a champion of those folks.
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Post by afirth on Oct 18, 2008 12:17:11 GMT -5
But there's another faction of the party who just spew the talking points and try to suggest that democrats are communists or terrorists or unamerican. That's garbage and the country doesn't need that kind of stuff in the political arena, imho. And it seems that Palin has become a champion of those folks. Amen.
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 18, 2008 12:27:35 GMT -5
A true story: one person in my family has a Sarah sticker on her car. Yesterday, in the lot of a super market, a 40ish white man saw her sticker and called her a racist bitch. In your relative value system where unpatriotic is worse than right wing extremist, where does racist bitch fit?
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 18, 2008 12:38:06 GMT -5
It fits in right next to "unpatriotic" or "anti-American" as inappropriate and baseless. It's one thing to accuse someone of being more extreme along the political spectrum than they are. I doubt anyone here is a communist or a fascist, but we all know that calling someone such a thing is just a way of saying he is extreme politically. Extrapolating "anti-American" or "racist" from these positions doesn't make any sense. And any adult man calling women in parking lots "bitches" is probably a pretty huge bitch himself.
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Post by Boz on Oct 18, 2008 12:57:27 GMT -5
I have no idea who Bill Burton is and he apparently does not have a wikipedia page, ergo I know not what you mean Boz. Sorry, I wasn't calling you Bill Burton, that came out wrong. Burton is Obama's national press secretary. The point I was making is that he sent an e-mail out to reporters earlier in the day. This reporter from the Post, Juliet Whatsername, literally quoted that e-mail -- almost verbatim -- in her coverage of this event. If nothing else, that's just plain lazy and unprofessional.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 18, 2008 16:28:46 GMT -5
I hope the future of the Republican party supports hunting wolves from airplanes. That's the only way to effectively hunt them. And. In Alaska, the wolf population is nowhere near endangered. In fact, there's too many of them for the caribou population to support. And that's not even factoring in rural Alaskans that hunt caribou to survive. If wolves aren't kept in check, the caribou are overhunted, and the wolves start starving. At which point they start going into cities and towns and attacking dogs, and probably people (quite a few dogs were eaten by wolves in Fairbanks this year). So, without aerial hunting, the caribou die out, people starve and dogs get eaten. In Jersey, aerial hunting might not be necessary, but it is in Alaska. Of course the Defenders of Wildlife don't give a crap if Alaskans starve
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Post by TC on Oct 18, 2008 19:12:43 GMT -5
I blame Sarah Palin for not being able to see Game 6 of the ALCS - she must have told TBS that Massachusetts is not a real part of America.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 18, 2008 19:15:34 GMT -5
We don't have coverage right now in Fake Virginia either.
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 19, 2008 0:22:04 GMT -5
SNL appearances:
Obama: B- Hillary: B McCain: A/A- Huckabee: A
Palin: D...maybe a C IF you give her points for the boots (and just so no one accuses me of anything, I refrain from calling them "hooker boots," but...I guess I just did).
Somehow, she got upstaged by Mark Wahlberg talking to a donkey. Really.
Concerning that relatively logical explanation for wolf-hunting from a plane, I don't like Sarah Palin, so I'm going to pretend I didn't read it. But for future reference, I'm happy to know the logic behind it. As for aerial hunting in NJ, I'd like to take a quick flight over the shore every few days in June and July.
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Post by TC on Oct 19, 2008 8:25:55 GMT -5
I'd give Palin an incomplete or an F. She really didn't do anything other than be the straight man, and she didn't actually make fun of herself at all and show she has a sense of humor - which is generally the point of an SNL appearance. Barack wasn't much better - neither of them were in the league of Hillary or McCain. Huckabee was kinda wooden.
I'd go :
McCain A Hillary B+ Rudy Giuliani B+ Huckabee B- Obama D Palin INC/F
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 19, 2008 9:07:05 GMT -5
I'd score her a C, if for no other reason that her appearance was largely forced on her by the McCain strategists. It's a lot easier to do humor if you're in on the gag (e.g. Huckabee) than doing it because you're told to. To be fair, Obama didn't do much better in his appearance, and I'd be curious as to how much of a sense of humor Biden would have in that environment. Meanwhile, in the "be careful what you wish for" department, McCain seems to have vetted the Joe the Plumber persona even less than Sarah Palin: www.freep.com/article/20081019/COL01/810190417/?imw=Y
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