thebin
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Post by thebin on Aug 6, 2008 13:33:09 GMT -5
Yes obviously both sisters were raised in a very strict RC household. Since the mother couldn't find it in herself to condemn her daughter's release of a sex tape, I'm not exactly sure she's Lady Marchmaine. "Paris Hilton's mother is proud of her daughter's homemade sex tape, according to a new biography. Biographer Jerry Oppenheimer claims that while researching his book 'House of Hilton' he found that 25-year-old Paris' parents, Rick and Kathy, were not fazed when 'One Night In Paris' was leaked onto the internet, and eventually released as a DVD, without her permission. He is quoted by the New York Daily News newspaper as saying: "I have family sources telling me that Rick and Kathy Hilton are proud of everything Paris has done, including the X-rated video that launched her to this international stardom, infamy and fame. "It is a bizarre family. Behind the scenes her parents were not opposed to the video because that totally launched her." Paris may not live like a nun but the rest of her family members are very Catholic. Her great grandfather Conrad was apparently an influential Opus Dei member and one of her uncles is currently developing an all Catholic gated community in Florida. However the real sad thing is that I agree 100% with the energy policy she outlines in this video www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/paris-hilton-responds-to_n_117137.htmlI don't think the point I'm about to belabor is all that important, but don't you think it's clear that even if Conrad was the pope himself, those two girls CLEARLY didn't grow up in a Catholic household in any meaningful way? And that is on the parents. So how "strictly catholic" can a mother be who seems genuinely proud by all accounts that her daughter is a famous slut who's fame is based more than anything on a porno film? It seems to me that Obama has more in common with Conrad Hilton than Paris does. |
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Post by vcjack on Aug 6, 2008 13:45:21 GMT -5
Paris may not live like a nun but the rest of her family members are very Catholic. Her great grandfather Conrad was apparently an influential Opus Dei member and one of her uncles is currently developing an all Catholic gated community in Florida. However the real sad thing is that I agree 100% with the energy policy she outlines in this video www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/paris-hilton-responds-to_n_117137.htmlI don't think the point I'm about to belabor is all that important, but don't you think it's clear that even if Conrad was the pope himself, those two girls CLEARLY didn't grow up in a Catholic household in any meaningful way? And that is on the parents. So how "strictly catholic" can a mother be who seems genuinely proud by all accounts that her daughter is a famous slut who's fame is based more than anything on a porno film? It seems to me that Obama has more in common with Conrad Hilton than Paris does. Perhaps "strict Catholics" was a poor choice on my part because that implies a private morality. Conrad himself played around with Hollywood stars, most of his children are/were alcoholics and fight legal battles against each other. But as a public entity the Hiltons are staunch promotors of Catholic and conservative agendas, my point was that the McCain people ignorantly insulted powerful allies of theirs |
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Post by hifigator on Aug 6, 2008 14:58:20 GMT -5
Getting back to the original topic, I read an article today that said that 3 of the top 20 best sellers on Amazon.com's list are Anti-Obama books. I just wonder how much of that is made up of right wingers who are tired of the incessant media adoption of Obama in almost a Knightly fashion and how much of it comes from true moderates who want to see both sides of the candidate before making up their mind. Hopefully there are a goodly number of those in the second group.
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Post by Boz on Aug 6, 2008 15:16:21 GMT -5
I don't know who's reading those books, I'm just glad no one seems to be reading Nancy Pelosi's book.
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Post by Bando on Aug 6, 2008 15:47:39 GMT -5
Getting back to the original topic, I read an article today that said that 3 of the top 20 best sellers on Amazon.com's list are Anti-Obama books. I just wonder how much of that is made up of right wingers who are tired of the incessant media adoption of Obama in almost a Knightly fashion and how much of it comes from true moderates who want to see both sides of the candidate before making up their mind. Hopefully there are a goodly number of those in the second group. I'm guessing they're all hit pieces, so it's probably just preaching to the choir. Deliberative, balanced arguments don't sell. |
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 6, 2008 15:59:38 GMT -5
Getting back to the original topic, I read an article today that said that 3 of the top 20 best sellers on Amazon.com's list are Anti-Obama books. I just wonder how much of that is made up of right wingers who are tired of the incessant media adoption of Obama in almost a Knightly fashion and how much of it comes from true moderates who want to see both sides of the candidate before making up their mind. Hopefully there are a goodly number of those in the second group. Sunday's Washington Post had two lists, hardcover and paperback. The hardcover top 10 had three anti-Bush and one anti-liberal books while the paperback top 10 had both books by Obama and no anti-Obama or anti-liberal. Using your language, do you think those reading the two Obama books and the three anti-Bush books are left-wingers tired of the media's adoption of Bush in an almost Knightly fashion or are they true moderates who want to see both sides before making up their minds? |
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Post by HealyHoya on Aug 6, 2008 16:11:12 GMT -5
Just read this thread from start to finish: hilariously naive conversation.
Dirt? This is a dirty campaign? Please, people. Talk to someone who has made a living running major campaigns and ask them to give you a few examples of underhanded tactics. You think a kitchy web ad featuring Paris Hilton and Spears is dirty? Ridiculous. These ads were produced and released to cut short the media cycle covering Obama's Euro trip. Mission Accompli...err...they succeeded. You-we-FOX-MSNBC-CNN-CNBC-mags-newspapers are all talking about it.
Look, the YouTube-ification of American politics will be televised (and in HD, and via broadband...by the way, FIOS is excellent). Remember Obama Girl? Sure, not an official campaign action but they embraced it. Appropriate? Debateable but, well, whatever. Not that big of a deal.
It's free advertising which is nearly priority number one for a cash-challenged campaign. It forces (offense) the Obama campaign to react (defense). It's Campaign 101. As an earlier poster stated, if you find this offensive then find a different subject. I think they're debating the football team's starters over on the GU Sports page.
This campaign is about the most civil, above-board campaign I've seen. It may get dirty at some point. In fact, it probably will because, well, THEY ALL DO. Presidential. Senate. Governor. Major house races. Big city mayoral races.
NB: It's no coincidence that this stuff started as soon as Rick Davis left and Steve Schmidt arrived as Campaign Manager. It will continue.
Nevada: As far as those e-mails you're receiving, there is an equal volume directed against McCain out there. Just as none of those source from the Obama Campaign, none of the anti-Barack diatribes come from the McCain folks. You may all feel these campaign folks are dirty but I can assure you they are not complete idiots. E-mails like that are not effective and, even worse, very easy to trace to their origin. There have been lawsuits (to wit, NH, NV and CA) regarding such conduct. Suits brought by state AGs that succeed and end careers.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 6, 2008 16:18:11 GMT -5
Getting back to the original topic, I read an article today that said that 3 of the top 20 best sellers on Amazon.com's list are Anti-Obama books. I just wonder how much of that is made up of right wingers who are tired of the incessant media adoption of Obama in almost a Knightly fashion and how much of it comes from true moderates who want to see both sides of the candidate before making up their mind. Hopefully there are a goodly number of those in the second group. Sunday's Washington Post had two lists, hardcover and paperback. The hardcover top 10 had three anti-Bush and one anti-liberal books while the paperback top 10 had both books by Obama and no anti-Obama or anti-liberal. Using your language, do you think those reading the two Obama books and the three anti-Bush books are left-wingers tired of the media's adoption of Bush in an almost Knightly fashion or are they true moderates who want to see both sides before making up their minds? Ha Ha! Unfortunately there isn't some massive right wing bias in the mainstream media, so no, they aren't moderates who just want to see both sides of the candidates. In Bush's case, the anti-Bush image is portrayed in BOTH the mainstream media and those books you mention. In fairness, there is much to be critical of Bush. In the case of Obama, the media has adopted him and almost annointed him as a king would do to a Knight -- thus my reference. Incidentally, I went and got the article I was reading earlier. From the article, "In the Know" from the Gainesville Sun, August 6th, 2008: Three anti-Obama releases were in the top 20 of Amazon.com's best seller list on Tuesday, despite little critical attention.
"There's a pent-up demand from people on the right sie of the aisle who feel that the mainstream media is effusively covering Barack Obama and not critically covering him," says Marji Ross, president and publisher of the conservative Regnery Publishing Inc., which just released Ddavid Fredosso's "The Case Against Barack Obama."
Until recently the most widely read narrative of Obama's life was written by Obama, in the million selling "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope."
The subtitles are the giveaway: Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality," ... and Dick Morris' "Fleeced: How Barack Obama, Media Mockery of Terrorist Threats, Liberals Who Want to Kill Talk Radio, the Do-Nothing Congress, Companies That Help Iran, and Washington Lobbyists for Foreign Governments Are Scamming Us ... and What to Do About It."
Incidentally, the subtitle to Fredosso's book is "The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate." |
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Post by Boz on Aug 6, 2008 16:24:56 GMT -5
You want a dirty campaign? Try Tennessee-9. www.wsmv.com/politics/17102358/detail.html#-Democrat on Democrat crime......When will it end? (also to be fair, Dick Morris does take a few shots at Republicans in his book, as well as Obama and the Dems; not saying it's an equal balance, just that it's not all about Obama) |
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Post by The Stig on Aug 6, 2008 17:30:22 GMT -5
All of this subtle insinuations and such are stupid. Why not a bang-it-over-your-head type ad, like this classic:
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