PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Jul 20, 2008 10:45:31 GMT -5
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 20, 2008 10:55:08 GMT -5
Hope the Thunder rights people don't object.
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kchoya
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Post by kchoya on Jul 20, 2008 17:27:04 GMT -5
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 20, 2008 17:30:32 GMT -5
or a Clap? maybe they should be the Tornado!
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jul 20, 2008 21:55:34 GMT -5
maybe they should be the Tornado! I'm guessing this is exactly what Bennett and Co. want to avoid -- they've sold bringing the team in as a cure for all the negative stereotypes of Oklahoma and Oklahomans. Which is why I think the team should be called the Dust Bowls, the Okies, the Tom Coburns, the Tornados, the Massacres, the place where the US government sent all the Native Americans they didn't kill, the Red Dirts, the Land Thieves, the Barry Switzers, or the Okies from Muskogee. *ducks* But seriously, can we make it a law that team nicknames have to end in the letter 's'?
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 20, 2008 23:01:52 GMT -5
I still don't understand why a team would move to OK City in the first place, regardless of the name.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 20, 2008 23:24:52 GMT -5
I still don't understand why a team would move to OK City in the first place, regardless of the name. That answer is easy enough. Money talks. Only two owners voted against the move - one was Mark Cuban because he's afraid that he's kissing good buy to revenue streams from people coming down to Dallas to watch the games from OKC and other points in Oklahoma. The only principles vote against the move was Portland's ownership group. The rest of the owners know that having a rich investor buy a team and up the value of their teams is a good thing - they'll bend over backwards to suit that management group. The NBA wants to up the value of its franchises. Don't expect to many principled stands from a business.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 21, 2008 2:54:18 GMT -5
I still don't understand why a team would move to OK City in the first place, regardless of the name. That answer is easy enough. Money talks. Only two owners voted against the move - one was Mark Cuban because he's afraid that he's kissing good buy to revenue streams from people coming down to Dallas to watch the games from OKC and other points in Oklahoma. The only principles vote against the move was Portland's ownership group. The rest of the owners know that having a rich investor buy a team and up the value of their teams is a good thing - they'll bend over backwards to suit that management group. The NBA wants to up the value of its franchises. Don't expect to many principled stands from a business. I wasn't talking about principled stands, I was and still am wondering who actually thinks OKCity is a major league town, and who thinks it makes good biz sense for the League to put a team there. It ranks behind such megalopolises as: Harrisburg PA Greenville NC W. Palm Beach Norfolk VA Grand Rapids,MI
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Post by drhibbert on Jul 21, 2008 4:44:49 GMT -5
Say what?
Oklahoma City: pop. 547,274 Harrisburg: pop. 48,950 Greenville: pop. 75,482 W. Palm Beach: pop. 107,617 Norfolk: pop. 234,403 Grand Rapids: pop. 197,800
Granted, I still think the Sonics leaving Seattle is a sin against all the laws of God and man, but OKC is bigger than all the places you've listed, and almost certainly can support a pro sports team of its own. Whether Jeff, Kevin, Russell, or any other pro athlete rational human being would want to live there is another matter entirely.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 21, 2008 6:19:40 GMT -5
Call him a Hoya till his contract is up and he signs with some other team (and you can almost certainly say the same for Durant...well, not the Hoya part)
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Jul 21, 2008 8:05:55 GMT -5
We've fought the "Oklahoma City is a podunk burg" fight before. They just had 16,000 ticket requests, so meh.
With that said, naming the team "Thunder" is what you name a triple-A team. No soul, no real connection to the city.
I personally prefer the Oklahoma City Backstabbers, but that's just me.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 21, 2008 9:36:28 GMT -5
After reading a lot of opinions on it, it was clear that NOTHING they picked was going to be liked by everyone, and there'd be a large contingent of people unhappy regardless. After having gone through a similar experience with the back of the We Are Georgetown t-shirt the last couple years, I am sympathetic to that type of scenario. I think you just have to pick something that you like and that you believe will work, and then just ignore the negativity. A name really isn't as important as it seems anyway--the players and the coaches will give the team it's character in time, not the name.
Unlike others, it seems, I am pulling for this organization to succeed. I don't hate on the owners, they bought the team with a goal and they executed. Seattle wasn't united enough to stop it, and they lost. That's business, that's life. And I don't see why OKC can't work, they did a good job supporting the Hornets and they've now got the "only game in town" advantage, kinda like the Jazz have. Most importantly though I want to see Jeff succeed. This team is poised to be successful, and he's in a good position where he can play well but not have to take too much of the heat when he has those quiet nights we all know he has. I think the team is still one big time player and about 2 years away from being serious, but with one more high draft pick next year and the growth of all these young guys, this team should be excellent in the future.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Jul 21, 2008 11:08:31 GMT -5
Everyone on this board are a bunch of small-minded "coast-ists!"
There I said it.
Here's to Oklahoma City. Screw Seattle.
There, I said that too.
Also, kc --- frickin' hilarious....except that you know it's not really a joke; you will see that in the arena. Maybe not the official mascot, but some yutz is going to wear that costume, no question.
As for the name, yeah it kinda' sucks, but at least it doesn't have a "Z" in it.
Besides, all of the locals will be unofficially calling the team the "Bricks" anyway -- in an affectionate and endearing fashion, not an insulting one.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 21, 2008 11:17:18 GMT -5
This name is only cool if the Ford Center can be renamed "The Thunder Dome"
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Jul 21, 2008 11:30:41 GMT -5
Mark my words - some 25-year old marketing intern will have the team come out one night to "The Thunder Rolls", which is about infidelity, scorned spouses, and shotguns.
It won't end well.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 21, 2008 11:36:12 GMT -5
Say what? Oklahoma City: pop. 547,274 Harrisburg: pop. 48,950 Greenville: pop. 75,482 W. Palm Beach: pop. 107,617 Norfolk: pop. 234,403 Grand Rapids: pop. 197,800 Granted, I still think the Sonics leaving Seattle is a sin against all the laws of God and man, but OKC is bigger than all the places you've listed, and almost certainly can support a pro sports team of its own. Whether Jeff, Kevin, Russell, or any other pro athlete rational human being would want to live there is another matter entirely. Dr Hibbert, I thought most board members would be more knowledgeable than to think the relevant market was simply the number of people living within the city limits. The number of interest to marketers, advertisers and Team owners would be what is known as the DMA -- Designated Market Area -- which measures the number of households within the Local TV viewing area -- or the area in which the vast majority of potential ticket buyers and TV viewers (The ones team sponsors want to reach) live, and OKC ranks #45. It is not in any way bigger than the places I listed. And, sentimentality aside, why would a major league sport bury a franchise in the 45th ranked market? www.tvb.org/rcentral/markettrack/us_hh_by_dma.asp
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Jul 21, 2008 12:13:43 GMT -5
How about the Oklahoma City "Team Stealers"? Not that I care--but that would be kind of cool.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Jul 21, 2008 12:27:41 GMT -5
How about the Oklahoma City "Team Stealers"? Not that I care--but that would be kind of cool. OKC Rustlers- same idea, local tie-in. And the reason these team names sound like AAA or Arena Football is as much because of the OKC part as it is because of the nickname- plain and simple, it is a minor league town.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 21, 2008 12:32:16 GMT -5
How about the Oklahoma City "Team Stealers"? Not that I care--but that would be kind of cool. Many NBA teams today are the results of owners taking their teams and moving for a better deal. Among the teams which have moved over the years are the 76ers, Nets, Wizards, Pistons, Hawks, Jazz, Warriors, Clippers, Lakers, Kings, Rockets, Grizzlies, Hornets, and Spurs (the former teams of Syracuse, New York, Baltimore, Ft. Wayne, St. Louis, New Orleans, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Minneapolis, Cincinnati, Denver, Vancouver, Charlotte, and Dallas, respectively.) Among pre-1966 NBA teams, the only teams still in their original home are the Celtics and the Knicks. That doesn't make it right or wrong, but it's a fact of business. OKC Rustlers- same idea, local tie-in. And the reason these team names sound like AAA or Arena Football is as much because of the OKC part as it is because of the nickname- plain and simple, it is a minor league town. Anotehr reason: trademarks. There was once a day where a pro team could get away with a name used in another sport but there are too many lawyers out there and too much merchandising money at risk. In the 1970's, the NBA didn't sue MLB over a baseball team called the Rangers, and the NHL didn't get a cease and desist from the NFL for the Winnipeg Jets. Today, they wouldn't stand a chance. Put another way, does anyone think OKC could call itself the Cardinals or the Giants (or even the Hoyas) and get away with it?
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 21, 2008 13:05:05 GMT -5
Say what? Oklahoma City: pop. 547,274 Harrisburg: pop. 48,950 Greenville: pop. 75,482 W. Palm Beach: pop. 107,617 Norfolk: pop. 234,403 Grand Rapids: pop. 197,800 Granted, I still think the Sonics leaving Seattle is a sin against all the laws of God and man, but OKC is bigger than all the places you've listed, and almost certainly can support a pro sports team of its own. Whether Jeff, Kevin, Russell, or any other pro athlete rational human being would want to live there is another matter entirely. Dr Hibbert, I thought most board members would be more knowledgeable than to think the relevant market was simply the number of people living within the city limits. The number of interest to marketers, advertisers and Team owners would be what is known as the DMA -- Designated Market Area -- which measures the number of households within the Local TV viewing area -- or the area in which the vast majority of potential ticket buyers and TV viewers (The ones team sponsors want to reach) live, and OKC ranks #45. It is not in any way bigger than the places I listed. And, sentimentality aside, why would a major league sport bury a franchise in the 45th ranked market? www.tvb.org/rcentral/markettrack/us_hh_by_dma.aspSame reason that the Mavericks voted against the move - placing a team in Oklahoma City realistically gets you the Oklahoma City and Tulsa markets, as well as a little in Wichita, Arkansas, and Missouri - because there are no teams near those TV markets now.
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