sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Jul 22, 2008 0:47:45 GMT -5
Thank so much dense for the recaps The only problem I have with putting Sapp at point is that, even though Wright will make dumb decisions, atleast it sounds like his are aggressive mistakes. Sapp makes tons of dumb decisions as well, the only difference is Sapps aren't usually in the form of a shot. If you re-watch the Marquette game you will see that JTIII had Rivers in on offense at the end of the game instead of Sapp. Yes, the game at Marquette this year, where Rivers threw those incredibly dangerous passes, JTIII trusted Rivers with the ball more than Sapp. By the time overtime came around, I don't think JTIII knew what to do with them. That wasn't the only game where this happened. I am not trying to knock Sapp, but there is a reason he played better once Wright returned, he didn't have to handle the ball as much.
On the bright-side, compared the last year, we will still likely have more possessions and less turnovers because of who we lost. I would say Macklin, Rivers, Ewing, and Hibbert all contributed in major ways to the turnover issue. Macklin probably had the most turnover perpossesion on the team. Rivers committed some of the worst turnovers that would lead to easy buckets. Ewing was always good for a crazy turnover or two, and about half our turnovers were caused by trying to feed the ball into Hibbert. Now Sapp and Summers are the only ones left who also contributed to the problem in a major way , but if Summers can improve his handle, I think he will turn the ball over a lot less. So what I am trying to say is that while we will miss all the guys we lost tremendously, one thing we will hopefully improve is our turnover numbers.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 22, 2008 0:57:08 GMT -5
IMO another improvement will be FT%. Take Macklin and Rivers out, and put in Greg, Sims and Vaughn, who from these Kenner reports seems like an above average FT shooter, and you have the makings of a better FT team.
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Post by CO_Hoya on Jul 22, 2008 1:13:51 GMT -5
I would say Macklin, Rivers, Ewing, and Hibbert all contributed in major ways to the turnover issue. Macklin probably had the most turnover perpossesion on the team. No need to guess, you can get that info here or here. I'll reprint the stats, ranking the players from best to worst TO %. I've also added assist rate, since TO/A is often considered: Player Name G % Min TO% A Rate Hibbert, Roy 32 66.0 15.6 16.7 Wallace, Jonathan 32 70.5 18.5 18.3 Freeman, Austin 32 63.9 18.6 13.4 Summers, DaJuan 31 67.5 19.3 11.5 Crawford, Tyler 32 12.2 22.0 10.3 Macklin, Vernon 32 31.9 23.3 10.2 Ewing, Patrick 32 54.0 25.0 15.9 Sapp, Jessie 32 66.4 25.0 24.3 Wright, Chris 14 42.4 27.2 9.9 Rivers, Jeremiah 32 46.6 28.6 9.5 Macklin wasn't the worst (although anything >20% is not good) and Hibbert was actually best on the team. A dirty secret revealed here is that Wright and Rivers had very similar TO % and assist rates, although Rivers was worse in both by a small margin.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 22, 2008 1:14:21 GMT -5
Rebound too should improve. Ewing was a good rebounder, but was inconsitent in this area. Hibbert wasn't a great rebounds, Rivers was good for his size, Macklin was a bad rebounder, and Wallace wasn't a very good one either. We bring in Vaughn and Monroe who sound like good rebounders, and Sims can only be an improvement over Macklin add in the fact Wright is a good rebounder for his size and we should be better. Also moving guys back to their natural positions more should help rebounding as well.
Rebounding, Foul Shooting, and turnovers, our three biggest problems from last year. As well as breaking the press, but Wright and Clark will hopefully fix that. So all thats left it to figure out are our new weaknesses.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 22, 2008 1:21:19 GMT -5
I would say Macklin, Rivers, Ewing, and Hibbert all contributed in major ways to the turnover issue. Macklin probably had the most turnover perpossesion on the team. No need to guess, you can get that info here or here. I'll reprint the stats, ranking the players from best to worst TO %. I've also added assist rate, since TO/A is often considered: Player Name G % Min TO% A Rate Hibbert, Roy 32 66.0 15.6 16.7 Wallace, Jonathan 32 70.5 18.5 18.3 Freeman, Austin 32 63.9 18.6 13.4 Summers, DaJuan 31 67.5 19.3 11.5 Crawford, Tyler 32 12.2 22.0 10.3 Macklin, Vernon 32 31.9 23.3 10.2 Ewing, Patrick 32 54.0 25.0 15.9 Sapp, Jessie 32 66.4 25.0 24.3 Wright, Chris 14 42.4 27.2 9.9 Rivers, Jeremiah 32 46.6 28.6 9.5 Macklin wasn't the worst (although anything >20% is not good) and Hibbert was actually best on the team. A dirty secret revealed here is that Wright and Rivers had very similar TO % and assist rates, although Rivers was worse in both by a small margin. I am actually surprised that Summers was relativly low, and that Freemans was so close to Wallaces. I think I knew Hibbert was the best, but just think about how many turnovers were passes into him. Not saying they were his fault, just that when you get double and triple teamed, thats going to happen. I am actually surprised Rivers was the worst on the team. Question does this mean every possesion they were on the floor, or every possesion they touched the ball. When I said that about Macklin I meant more about touches than possesions. Hibberts numbers aren't surprising if its possesions on the floor, because he probably got the least amount of touches.
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Post by dense on Jul 22, 2008 2:07:19 GMT -5
I agree Sleepy that Sapp had problems with turnovers...but i like the fact that he has been thru it and was the primary ballhandler last year, I agree that Chris will likely be the primary ballhandler, i just can say with certainty that Wright will drive into 3 guys alot and not get a call and you and I will be screaming at the television Chris slow down it was 1 on 3!!!
Yeah FT shooting will be better, If i had to put a rough estimate on Vaughn's Ft's it would be at 80-85% for the summer, i know last 2 games he hasn't missed one. Austin as well...I was really impressed with his overall game last Saturday, he scored effortlessly, and i'd just wish he'd get more greedy with the ball. His shot looks like its going in everytime. he killed Adrian Bowie and Falorin Campbell.
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Post by Hordac on Jul 22, 2008 6:52:31 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about the free throw shooting being better this season. At the end of games last season, we could simply get the ball to Wallace or Jesse when teams were forced to foul & count on them making their shots. Wallace was one of the best, if not the best, free throw shooters in GU basketball history. Who will be the primary ballhandlers at the end of ballgames that step up at the line this year ? Chris Wright struggled from the line last season. Jason Clark is a freshman. Jesse should be fine. As far as post players being fouled, will Greg's percentage equal Roy's. Remember, you're comparing a freshman to a senior. We know that Vaughn & Sims' percentages will surpass the combined totals of Ewing & Macklin. My only question is who will be taking the majority of free throws, especially the ones down the stretch. That will determine how much better we are at the line.
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Post by CO_Hoya on Jul 22, 2008 8:53:52 GMT -5
Question does this mean every possesion they were on the floor, or every possesion they touched the ball. When I said that about Macklin I meant more about touches than possesions. Hibberts numbers aren't surprising if its possesions on the floor, because he probably got the least amount of touches. Turnover % is just turnovers committed divided by total possessions ended by each player - you can also end a possession with a made FG, a missed FG that your team doesn't rebound, with a foul, etc. That stat is Poss % (percent of possessions used), which is also at the linked pages above.
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 22, 2008 8:55:17 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about the free throw shooting being better this season. At the end of games last season, we could simply get the ball to Wallace or Jesse when teams were forced to foul & count on them making their shots. Wallace was one of the best, if not the best, free throw shooters in GU basketball history. Who will be the primary ballhandlers at the end of ballgames that step up at the line this year ? Chris Wright struggled from the line last season. Jason Clark is a freshman. Jesse should be fine. As far as post players being fouled, will Greg's percentage equal Roy's. Remember, you're comparing a freshman to a senior. We know that Vaughn & Sims' percentages will surpass the combined totals of Ewing & Macklin. My only question is who will be taking the majority of free throws, especially the ones down the stretch. That will determine how much better we are at the line. Austin Freeman lead the team in FT% last year.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 22, 2008 10:27:13 GMT -5
lic predicts we will WIN THE FREE THROW PERCENTAGE CONTEST IN THE BIG EASY THIS YEAR YUP FIRST PLACE IN THAT go hoyas good luck to former hoyas mr. rivers and mr. macklin yup go hoyas
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Post by prhoya on Jul 22, 2008 10:39:47 GMT -5
Dense, from what you've seen, is Wright making his FTs?
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 22, 2008 14:23:30 GMT -5
Having a Senior guard who started on the Final Four team, two BE Conf. champ teams, etc.... and who played a lot (most?) point the past year or two? That is a HUGE advantage.
How does that impact Chris and Jason? It takes a LOT of pressure off those guys. Sapp's been through it all, has hit big shots, made big steals, etc. It is true that he had a slump toward the end of last season and JT3 sat him some times, but he bounced back.
This isn't to suggest that Chris and Jason won't be great players. They will. The transition to starter (which Chris will probably make this year) will be easier, and Jason's transition to the college game will be easier, because more of the burden will be carried by Sapp.
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Post by jkhoya12 on Jul 22, 2008 14:43:21 GMT -5
Anyone who has seen Clark play, how is his handle? Is he going to be able to help break the press effecitively? From the games shown live through Internet feeds I believe he will be excellent in breaking the press. Along with Chris, we will have two of the fastes players in the BE. As for his frame, Charles Smith was wiry thin as a senior and he is still one of the best penetrators and finishers we've ever had. We'll see about Clark's heart and desire. Where are games being shown live? I'd love to watch some.
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Post by dense on Jul 22, 2008 14:43:40 GMT -5
ehhh, its been hit or miss with chris with his Ft's...last game he was 6-7 or 7-8 from the line,most were techinical free-throws beacuse of the Bearcats guy talking trash to Roy(I was surprised no one wrote about that, maybe its cause i was near Jeff and Tyler while they were watching the game, and they were taunting Roy durning the game about the guy, plus seeing Roy doing his flexing muscles pose after blocking the Bearcats guy's shot and telling him about it) but back to Chris...... one of his Ft's was funny because he did the whole scream like man i missed it and it hit the front rim, back rim and fell thru....the other games he has missed some. Hasnt been consistent with it.
As for Jason, I was thinking about it after i wrote my recaps, and I was thinking like how is this kid going to see a boat load of time, if Summers moves back to the 3 mostly. I mean he will play but I really cant see unless we press alot that he will play more than 10-12 mins a game, and I'd really like to see him get the 18-20 mins a game range, he can be a difference maker come big-east time cause he just has a knack of getting to the bucket thru little spaces and finishing when he does. for someone so frail he can bend himself over and around bigger guys and make shots.
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Post by jgalt on Jul 22, 2008 15:37:11 GMT -5
From the games shown live through Internet feeds I believe he will be excellent in breaking the press. Along with Chris, we will have two of the fastes players in the BE. As for his frame, Charles Smith was wiry thin as a senior and he is still one of the best penetrators and finishers we've ever had. We'll see about Clark's heart and desire. Where are games being shown live? I'd love to watch some. i think pr meant past games from high school, including highlight tapes online and full games put online, but i could be wrong.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 22, 2008 16:42:43 GMT -5
You're right... Several of his hs games were shown live.
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Post by gujake on Jul 22, 2008 18:58:33 GMT -5
Great first post dense.
Agreed, especially about Austin and Chris. I think the fact that Austin is running point is no coincidence, and I'm not sure why exactly that is, but I definitely think it is by design. The most likely explanation is probably what you said: he may get more time at the 2.
Chris is, frankly, frustrating me. He was immediately my favorite player last summer because of his energy and 100% effort on defense. The only major flaw I saw with him was his tendency to wildly drive the lane with no plan. Well, after seeing it for so long, now, it's starting to get annoying. It doesn't look as if his decision-making in that area has improved yet. I still think he starts and gets a whole bunch of minutes, but we'll see.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 23, 2008 0:21:10 GMT -5
What do you mean by "seeing it for so long"? He has only played in 16 games as a Hoya. It's too soon to label him.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 23, 2008 0:33:43 GMT -5
What do you mean by "seeing it for so long"? He has only played in 16 games as a Hoya. It's too soon to label him. And of those games shown on TV, I think I can only remember 2 "wild" shots that he has taken. I really don't think it will be as big of a problem as people are making it out to be. Even if it is, JTIII will take him out if all he does is drive into Big East post players, and I think eventually he will get the idea.
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Post by dense on Jul 23, 2008 2:31:10 GMT -5
No one is saying that is all he does is drive wildly, I think the concern Hoyajake is offering is because of Chris's play in high school and Kenner. I dont think especially at the end of the year Chirs was being Chris...he was trying to blend in. Chris is a forceful presence on the court in terms of vocal leadership and in energy. Sometimes the flow of a game(when either he feels his team needs a bucket or its fast-paced) gets to him and he will try to go 1 on 3 into a crevice and throw up a wild shot trying to get some contact and make the lay-up, kinda like what Iverson does.... I do see it as a problem potentially which hopefully goes away once they are actually running the offense. But what I do think it will help is in situations like the Davidson game and a laundry list of games in the Jt3 era when he applies that methodically pull away from teams...Chris and Jason are attacking players and they will play their way, and maybe thats what Jt3 was talking about taking from mckillop and learning from that game, you cant let up when a team is ready to fold.
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