hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on May 15, 2008 11:42:01 GMT -5
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on May 15, 2008 11:54:24 GMT -5
Whatever happened to the "East" concept of the "Big East"... I guess we might as well call it the "Whatever Big Name School in the Entire Eastern Half of the US That Wants to Join East." I think we're doing good at sixteen teams, there's a vague threshold between being a Conference and a League, and if we add too many more teams we're headed for the gray area.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 15, 2008 11:55:16 GMT -5
It takes 75% of the voting membership, or 12 of 16 schools, to approve any change in membership.
With than in mind, at least four votes must come from a group including DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Villanova.
As Tim Russert might say, they don't have the numbers.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on May 15, 2008 11:58:38 GMT -5
DFW:
Any reason the schools you mentioned would oppose it? There would be even more money to be made by everyone.
Would another school have to leave? Having Memphis would be great, but I'm not sure I want the conference to get any bigger, because I strongly oppose any future split in the conference, and I think adding another school moves things more in that direction.
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Post by HoyaDestroya02 on May 15, 2008 11:59:05 GMT -5
this is random... but any chance they could leverage Notre Dame to join w/ football or boot them from basketball and bring on Memphis.
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Post by CO_Hoya on May 15, 2008 11:59:51 GMT -5
It takes 75% of the voting membership, or 12 of 16 schools, to approve any change in membership. With than in mind, at least four votes must come from a group including DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Villanova. As Tim Russert might say, they don't have the numbers. Why? If Memphis were to replace South Florida (as suggested by moe09), what would the non-DI BE football schools care? As far as I can tell, it would maintain the basketball/football balance. Edited to add: As per a comment in the link on the original post, BE spokesman says that there is no truth to the rumor.
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Post by kghoya on May 15, 2008 12:12:32 GMT -5
i saw something on the notre dame board the other day about ecu wanting to join the be for just football because they need the numbers
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Post by hoyalove4ever on May 15, 2008 12:17:29 GMT -5
ECU? No chance. Memphis? That's a different story.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 15, 2008 12:28:36 GMT -5
Any reason the schools you mentioned would oppose it? There would be even more money to be made by everyone. First, the Tigers would argue Memphis would not replace USF, but become a 17th team and nine for football. Next, there would not be more money--the Big East TV deal is in place through 2013 and instead of 6.2% of the pie (1/16), Georgetown would get 5.9% (1/17). The other argument is about voting power. This is one of the central arguments in those realignment message boards that constantly talk about Big East changes. The conspiracy theory goes that when and if the so-called football "football schools" get a voting majority, they would amend the bylaws to expel some or all non I-A schools to make room for such schools as Memphis, East Carolina, Central Florida, Marshall et al. to the party. One of the reasons, therefore, to bring in Marquette and DePaul with USF, Lousiville and Cincinanti is to keep the so-called "balance" at 8 BE football schools and 8 outside it, with perpetual independent ND considered outside the "football school" . Georgetown needs the Big East more than most schools so it needs to be attuned to any rumblings. However, a local blog on a Fox affiliate in Memphis doesn't reach a critical mass just yet, especially since there was a similar temblor claiming East Carolina was ready to join just a week earlier. tinyurl.com/4dkhhy.
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GPHoya
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Post by GPHoya on May 15, 2008 12:30:58 GMT -5
Having Memphis replace USF is a great idea.
We can then divide the basketball league into two divisions by geography.
The Eastern Division would be Providence, UConn, Syracuse, St. John's, Rutgers, Seton Hall, Villanova, and Georgetown.
The Western Division would be Depaul, Notre Dame, Cincy, Marquette, Louisville, Pitt, West Virginia and Memphis. I even have names.
We could call the Western Division "Conference USA" and they could play a tournament in Chicago or Milwaukee.
We could call the Eastern Division the "Big East" and they could have a conference tournament at Madison Square Garden.
The winners of each tournament would go to the NCAA.
Otherwise the schools would have nothing to do with each other except in the fall some of them could play each other in football.
Do you think this could work?
I hate football.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on May 15, 2008 12:45:15 GMT -5
Nice one, GP. That had me laughing.
Personally I love the idea of swapping Memphis and USF.
moe -- I think as long as Big East teams stay east of the 100th meridian, it's all good. No need for another WAC-type situation.
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Post by NCHoya on May 15, 2008 13:23:49 GMT -5
I am hoping this is just wishful thinking by Memphis since they need the BE a whole lot more than the BE needs them. Sure, they have a great basketball team with tradition but adding another geographically misplaced team (in a small media market) to get a mediocre football school probably does not make sense for the BE. If the Memphis Football team brought real money and a real fanbase, this would be a different discussion but without that, the basketball side is not compelling enough.
But as a die-hard Rutgers Football fan (forgive me grew up 2 miles from the stadium) and an even more ardent Hoya alum and fan, I actually think an addition of Memphis would be distaterous for Georgetown. Forget the basketball part of it, I read extensively about both points of view, and adding a football team would all but guarantee the demise of the basketball-only schools in the BE. The bigger schools are chomping at the bit to rid themselves of the small, private schools in the conference, and now with the majority vote, life would become difficult enough to make it easier for the Seton Halls, Providences to just quit rather than fight.
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Post by theexorcist on May 15, 2008 13:40:42 GMT -5
In entirely unrelated news, there are approximately 148 days left until Midnight Madness.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 15, 2008 14:40:10 GMT -5
I'd be fine if it was a straight trade for one of the football schools cough USF cough. But frankly things as they are, are just fine. I also wouldn't mind seeing us drop one football and one basketball school like droping south florida and depaul.
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Post by royski on May 15, 2008 14:51:44 GMT -5
DePaul is the Chicago market. If anyone, I'd imagine we drop USF, but I find that unlikely given their recent football success.
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Post by hoyalawyer on May 15, 2008 15:02:12 GMT -5
I'd like to keep the teams we have. Add Memphis. 17 teams in B-ball (play each team once switching home/road from year to year (back to 16 conference games like everyone else)
Football 9 teams- play each once and there is your 8 in conference games, rather than the ridiculous 7 that BE football teams play now.
Reduce the BE tournament (hoops) to 12 teams (or keep it there and don't use the stupid first round game which will make the BET last almost a full week).
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Post by The Stig on May 15, 2008 15:04:06 GMT -5
My views:
Straight Memphis for USF swap: Great news. Football/non-football balance is unchanged, basketball conference gets a national powerhouse in exchange for a minnow, and the conference gets another great rivalry (Louisville/Memphis).
Memphis in, nobody out: I still think this is good for the conference, as long as it doesn't set a precedent. Memphis is a logical school to add because of the Louisville rivalry and their strong basketball program. As long as they're the only football school added, I don't see a big problem.
Memphis in, non-football school out: Bad, Bad, BAD!
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Post by TBird41 on May 15, 2008 15:09:25 GMT -5
My views: Straight Memphis for USF swap: Great news. Football/non-football balance is unchanged, basketball conference gets a national powerhouse in exchange for a minnow, and the conference gets another great rivalry (Louisville/Memphis). And the football conference gets a little weaker, shifting the Big East's focus just a little bit more towards basketball Wrong. This is a bad idea. That would give the football schools a majority. It would also make the BE even larger. How exactly does a 17 team conference work? You're right about this one. That would be bad. Ain't happening though
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Post by fsohoya on May 15, 2008 15:23:00 GMT -5
In hoops the conference is already way too unwieldy--going to 17 would be ridiculous. Go with the other possibility and boot USF, though, and you'd be kicking out one of the better football schools. Not likely, and not good for GU. We need the football side to do as well as possible to tamp down rumblings for a split. The only possible good football expansion I can see is to add Notre Dame, a true peer school that is already in the BE for everything else. Of course, those guys would never give up their precious football independence...
In the end, I'm with GP. I hate college football, or at least I hate that it is totally dominated by huge state schools--and at one time ND--that try to dictate terms for everyone else.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on May 15, 2008 15:48:29 GMT -5
Here's a scenario nobody has discussed yet: Add Memphis and Xavier (or a similar school).
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