EasyEd
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OJ Mayo
May 11, 2008 13:55:12 GMT -5
Post by EasyEd on May 11, 2008 13:55:12 GMT -5
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OJ Mayo
May 11, 2008 13:59:17 GMT -5
Post by jerseyhoya34 on May 11, 2008 13:59:17 GMT -5
Who would've thunk it?
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kghoya
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OJ Mayo
May 11, 2008 14:09:31 GMT -5
Post by kghoya on May 11, 2008 14:09:31 GMT -5
the real question is, did he get more than reggie bush?
doubtful
fight on losers
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moe09
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OJ Mayo
May 11, 2008 15:20:50 GMT -5
Post by moe09 on May 11, 2008 15:20:50 GMT -5
Yawn.. Nothing will happen, OJ goes pro, BDA gets what it wants, and violations like this continue to happen...
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moe09
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OJ Mayo
May 11, 2008 15:27:48 GMT -5
Post by moe09 on May 11, 2008 15:27:48 GMT -5
Pat Forde's take: sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3390757&sportCat=ncbOne of the funnier parts (mentioned in other articles) is the fact that this Guillory guy was busted for providing agent kickbacks to another USC guard, Jeff Trepagnier, previously. Yet, this guy was in close contact with the USC basketball staff throughout OJ's time there. Also, here's the Tim Floyd interview with OTL, if you haven't seen it before:
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jgalt
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OJ Mayo
May 11, 2008 15:42:39 GMT -5
Post by jgalt on May 11, 2008 15:42:39 GMT -5
They have been running this story on espn news all day. The only way there are any repercussions from this is that in CA there are criminal charges for giving aide to student athletes (i think only HS, but maybe college). i did read this article only watched the program on espn news
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thornski
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OJ Mayo
May 11, 2008 16:12:56 GMT -5
Post by thornski on May 11, 2008 16:12:56 GMT -5
can't say i'm at all surprised
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DudeSlade
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OJ Mayo
May 11, 2008 18:14:17 GMT -5
Post by DudeSlade on May 11, 2008 18:14:17 GMT -5
Forde said it, though, in his article--of course way down at the bottom after all his sensational berating, but he said that this sort of stuff happens across the country and maybe it will prompt other whistle blowers to step up. Louis Johnson, the whistle blower, and even Forde admitted that USC probably didn't know about it, but as Forde says probably because they didn't want to know about it. From the limited news that does creep out about these things (like the Rhett Bomar thing at Oklahoma), it seems that there is more of this going on around the country than any of us want to admit and that schools are making sure that they are not aware of it, so they can deny it. Because of alleged violations with Reggie Bush previously and with the high profile nature of OJ Mayo and USC and its athletic program right now, I think this is getting a huge amount of attention and I think its more likely to bring whistle blowers out, especially being in La-La-Land. The NCAA, pro sports, and amateur athletics need to clean these sports up, especially basketball, or else this will completely get out of hand (which I fear it already has).
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moe09
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May 11, 2008 19:09:34 GMT -5
Post by moe09 on May 11, 2008 19:09:34 GMT -5
Thing is.. if you were him, could you honestly turn down $30,000? Hard to say.
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DudeSlade
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OJ Mayo
May 11, 2008 20:04:03 GMT -5
Post by DudeSlade on May 11, 2008 20:04:03 GMT -5
One other thing I wanted to bring up is that this seems to be a new kind of violation in college athletics. We are used to seeing the issues with boosters or programs trying to pay or give gifts to their athletes (essentially turning a school/student-athlete relationship into an employer/employee relationship). But this case, as with the Reggie Bush case, and a few others out there, is an issue with agents/middle men/sleazeballs trying to pay kids to turn pro or to get in their good graces when they do turn pro so that they can represent them or be in their posse or on the kickback when they get their big endorsements. Previously, these violations were to directly help schools out, but now it has nothing to do with the schools and is entirely for the financial benefit of skeezeballs. It's scary, imo, because this starts at an incredibly young age in AAU ball and continues on up. As moe09 points out, how many people would really be able to say no to the kind of money and gifts being thrown their way, especially if they didn't have much growing up, which supposedly Mayo didn't. Anyone remember LeBron James driving a brand new H2 his senior year in High School? It's not like this is new (and I'm sure it goes back much further than LeBron).
One thing I will say possibly in Mayo's defense, is that the NCAA, Pac-10, and USC all investigated Mayo thoroughly before he arrived and once he arrived and found nothing. After he got those tickets from his friend Carmelo Anthony, he was investigated again and yet nothing showed up. Something there just doesn't equate. If this was actually going on wouldn't the NCAA have found something when they investigated? I don't know. The whole situation in amateur athletics, especially basketball, right now is so messed up.
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The Stig
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May 11, 2008 22:04:41 GMT -5
Post by The Stig on May 11, 2008 22:04:41 GMT -5
That Tim Floyd interview sickens me. Talking about college basketball like it's nothing more than a stepping stone to the NBA. Talking about how he loves the fact that OJ is coming to USC to build the OJ Mayo brand. For crying out loud, a high school senior who's more obsessed with his brand image than anything else? It's disgusting.
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moe09
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May 12, 2008 7:35:53 GMT -5
Post by moe09 on May 12, 2008 7:35:53 GMT -5
One of the sadder things I find in this whole ordeal is OJ's mom. If you watch the video on the first link she talks about how she didn't even trust Guillory, but obviously she couldn't do anything about it. She talks about OJ as if they're not even related. Recently, apparently, in OJ's statement he says that his mom is fine with Guillory's presence, but who knows.
My dad was a sports agent when he was younger, and used to tell me stories that OJ's pales in comparison to. I had for some time considered doing the same while I'm young, but he advised me against it since what these agents will do to get players to sign with them is so dirty and sleazy.
Personally, I just don't think the NCAA cares unless it directly involves the University. This whole facade of keeping amateur players amateurs keeps the universities clean, but notice that the laws they talk about being broken in this case are only California State Laws (at least I haven't heard anything too specific about NCAA by-laws being broken). My bet is that just like Reggie Bush the NCAA sits back and does nothing, just like USC figures it probably will. Do they really want to acknowledge that all of this is going on with their amateur athletes? No, and as long as it doesn't involve the schools, who they are there to regulate, who wants to uncover the fact that there's a huge business underneath college basketball that ruins the feel good amateur athlete story they've got going on?
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OJ Mayo
May 12, 2008 7:57:51 GMT -5
Post by Hoya TMF on May 12, 2008 7:57:51 GMT -5
I guess the rules are in place in part to keep shady agents for screwing over the so called sutdent athlete, but what's the big deal with Mayo taking money? Dickie V. and Golic were bashing him this mornign as though he's committed some heinous crime. He's a great basketball player or at least people think eh is, why shouldn't be compensated? There was never any argument that he was goign tos tya ins chool longer than what was forced upon him by the NBA, so there can't be any delusions about risking his education. Lots of people have made money off of O.J. Mayp since he was in high school, BDA is the only one giving him a cut of that. You could argue that he got a free year of school, but that's certainly not of high value considering it was only one year and compared to the money USC and Tim Floyd have made based on his presence on campus. USC and the BCS made tons of money by having Reggie Bush play there and star there. Why shouldn't he be compensated. He was certainly more valuable to the team's success that the second string safety that was also getting the same free ride. I'm sure some kids some where get duped into giving up their eligibility, but in this case, I just don't see the big deal and I don't really care.
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moe09
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May 12, 2008 8:41:01 GMT -5
Post by moe09 on May 12, 2008 8:41:01 GMT -5
I dunno, I guess it's just me, but I find business relationships with kids in 7th grade to be a bit amoral. Especially when there aren't people who can help these young kids to make decisions.
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theexorcist
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OJ Mayo
May 13, 2008 7:52:06 GMT -5
Post by theexorcist on May 13, 2008 7:52:06 GMT -5
sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/luke_winn/05/12/mayo.accusations/index.htmlI've been a consistent shill for the idea that the NBA age limit is a bad idea. Luke Winn of SI.com basically argues my position with this case. If you're a top-shelf high school player, you're going to get treated very well. Boosters and others will continue to try to pay you to get influence - or even just to thank you for improving their team. In college, when many more people care that UNC wins the national championship than Independence High School in Charlotte, this pressure becomes even more intense. The NBA (regrettably) is well within its legal right to keep an age limit. But until there's an alternative solution for kids that just want to "major in basketball", we're going to keep on having these problems.
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OJ Mayo
May 13, 2008 8:59:47 GMT -5
Post by HoyaOnBothSides on May 13, 2008 8:59:47 GMT -5
agreed, hoya0206.
Let these kids go get theirs...no point in rehashing all the arguments..guys like mayo work incredibly hard and deserve part of what these corporations (television networks, shoe companies, sporting goods companies, team ownership groups, AAU sponsors) make off of him from day 1. NCAA rules and the need to alter them is secondary - if school like USC wants to mess around and bend the rules, they do so at their own peril.
If you've ever heard OJ Mayo speak you'll see he is a good kid - humble, appreciative of his opportunity - much more so than, say, Michael Beasley (not to knock Beasley, but just as a compariosn for those who equate what Mayo is accused of to some sort of character flaw). I think we should fault the system for not compensating these kids legally, as opposed to implicating them for accepting what they've earned.
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theexorcist
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May 13, 2008 9:17:37 GMT -5
Post by theexorcist on May 13, 2008 9:17:37 GMT -5
HoBS and hoya0206:
The problem that usually arises with the "pay players" argument is that it can't work in practice. I'd assume that everyone needs to get paid - from field hockey to football - to satisfy Title IX. And if not, what's the justification? "This sport makes money" won't cut it with an organization that's technically a non-profit. And even if it did, some football and men's basketball teams hemorrhage money.
If people propose to give all NCAA athletes a stipend, it will be enough to keep bleeding-heart sportswriters from complaining that poor X from Big State U never has the money to take his girlfriend out to McDonald's, but it's not going to be enough to be a fair market value for those who will be earning millions in a year.
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OJ Mayo
May 13, 2008 9:40:01 GMT -5
Post by HoyaOnBothSides on May 13, 2008 9:40:01 GMT -5
I'm not saying the NCAA should pay them, I'm just saying they deserve to be paid. To oversimplify, you're worth what someone will pay you: would you like it if you had some marketable skill and the powers that be (moral and otherwise) deemed that you can't profit from it whenever you choose?
It's not an easy issue with easy solutions. There's a lot of "shoulds" and "in an ideal worlds." However, there is a double-standard for basketball players in particular versus child actors, for example. I'm sure there are legal and political people a lot smarter than me who can figure out a just way to handle this, but I believe that simply telling these families to turn away money at their doorstep and dream/wait for some most likely unattainable future payout is crazy.
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theexorcist
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May 13, 2008 10:35:10 GMT -5
Post by theexorcist on May 13, 2008 10:35:10 GMT -5
This seems like it's been played out. HoBS, I fully agree - and in addition to the child actor analogy, you can also look at tennis, gymnastics, and golf.
In terms of solutions, I think that the NCAA is simply the wrong decision. The NBA may need to more heavily fund the NBDL while emphasizing the "developmental" aspects (basically like baseball does). This pays players more and makes spending a year in Bakersfield getting watched by 600 people a night versus playing at Kansas a legitimate choice.
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OJ Mayo
May 14, 2008 14:55:36 GMT -5
Post by HometownHoya on May 14, 2008 14:55:36 GMT -5
Question...since there is nothing on this at the Hoya BBall forum, I heard that Demar DeRozan is thinking about backing out if USC gets sanctions. Any chance we could get him/would even want him?
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