Hifi's boys causing trouble...

[JohnJacquesLayup]

tinyurl.com/4sgx2m

or

sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/ncaa/05/09/florida.hornsby.ap/index.html

[HoyaFanNY]

you must be mistaken...it could not have been a florida player.....those things only happen at fsu

[moe09]

Oh, I mean c'mon... who hasn't used a dead girl's credit card a couple times in their life?

[hoyarooter]

For that matter, who hasn't used a dead girl...

[hifigator]

I had a feeling you guys might have brought this up. Horsby is toast. I understand innocent until proven guilty and maybe ... just maybe there is some explanation. But I seriously doubt it.

As for the FSU comment, the question has never been are there bad apples here or there. The question has always been what happens to them? This guy was kicked off the team immediately. At FSU they would still be "aw shucks-ing" their way around the issue.

In all seriousness, Hornsby has zero support or sympathy right now. I haven't heard a single person come to his defense in even a superficial way, such as "innocent until proven guilty" or "let's wait until we have all the facts." Right now I think everyone has all the facts they need. This guy will probably not set foot on campus again, much less ever wear the orange and blue again.

[RDF]

I'll back up Hifi on this--at FSU he'd be "running some stairs" or some "in-house punishment". They would've suspended the guy for creampuff game and then played him against tougher opponents. Hifi is right on the money in terms of FSU and "punishment".

[moe09]

I don't mean this as any offense, hifi, but since you're such a huge Florida fan how'd you end up posting on this board?

[hifigator]

RDF, someone brought up a point yesterday on one of the local shows, and as much as I hate to admit it, he does raise a valid question. Meyer is, or at least had the reputation of being, a disciplinarian. I still think he is. But if you look at his record here, someone could easily question a "trend." His first year and a half on the job were pretty much smooth sailing. Some guys left the team, while a couple of others were disciplined for seemingly minor stuff. But more importantly, there just weren't any serious/major off the field incidents to speak of. Then we won the National Title in his second year. Since then, we have a rather unattractive off the field record. I think it is too early to make a positive connection, but it is certainly a valid question to ask. Is there a connection? Meyer comes in as a very strict, disciplinarian coach following a fatherly figure, players' coach in Zook. He has initial success both on the field and off. Now that he's been here long enough that most of the guys only know the one system, things start popping up. I don't know if there is a connection at all.

I do know that in reverse, the same thing often happens. From 79-83 we had Charley Pell. He was known for two things: bending the rules a bit and being tough on his players. NCAA violations were certainly on his resume', but so were turning out quality people. In any case, after he was dismissed, Galen Hall took over with 9 games left to play in 84. The Gators went undefeated and in many people's minds, had the best team that year, but couldn't go to a bowl because of NCAA sanctions. The Gators also went 9-1-1 the next year as well. My point is that there is a history of teams that excel when they grow up under a stict coach but then play for a players' coach. The idea I have always heard is that they are still playing with the discipline that they have learned, but are now playing loose, rather than tight.

I just wonder if a change from Zook to Meyer could be showing up off the field, just as the reverse happened on the field.

[hifigator]

May 10, 2008 12:42:59 GMT -5 moe09 said:

I don't mean this as any offense, hifi, but since you're such a huge Florida fan how'd you end up posting on this board?

I guess you never heard the story. Florida is my team for sure. I am Gator all the way. But Georgetown is my second favorite basketball team. I spent two summers in Arlington growing up and shot hoops from dusk until dawn. I guess I just had fond memories, plus the Gators weren't even on the basketball map in the late seventies/early eighties.

In any case, for some reason it's ok to be a Clemson and Georgetown fan or a Miami Hurricane and Georgetown fan or even a Longhorn and Georgetown fan. But accepting a Gator and Hoya fan has been a bit tougher for some.

[moe09]

I don't think too many people do think it's OK that there are people out there sharing their loyalty with the other teams... it's just that most of them don't post stuff about those other teams, nor do they compare Hoya subjects to their other teams (and rant about them), so no one says anything.

[RDF]

The difference I see--I'm not a Georgetown Football fan--I didn't go to Georgetown, so I don't have any loyalty to the program outside of growing up being a Hoya basketball fan for 28 years. My loyalty/interest is in Georgetown Basketball--and the other teams I like--are in sports outside of CBB. I don't go over to other sites and talk about Georgetown Basketball as if they care or give a ****. The reason some people make it a big deal with you Hifi--you constantly talk about things nobody cares about and often relate it to Florida in some manner. That is difference-but maybe that is just me and I could be wrong.

[moe09]

Nope, that's pretty much it, more or less what I said in the post before. If you want to talk Hoya basketball, this is the place to do it, but no one really cares all that much about Butthole U's swim team, unless they're involved in some general piece of sports news which people would find interesting which could be posted in Pro & Coll., I assume.

[The Stig]

If a post has the word 'Florida' more than the word 'Georgetown' in it, it probably doesn't belong on this board.

Exceptions are made for things that make it onto Sports Center, or something of specific interest to Georgetown.

I could have written a book's worth of stuff on Formula 1 here, but I haven't because nobody here is interested. This isn't the right place to just post everything you know about sports.

(If you want to watch the F1 race tomorrow, www.soccer-live.pl/ITVF1/f1player.php at 8AM Eastern time. The commentator's a jingoistic British fool, but the race should be decent. Massa might romp off with the win, but Kimi should have a good fight with the McLarens. Should also be interesting to see how hard Kovalainen fights Hamilton, since they'll probably get to the first corner about the same time since Heikki's on the dirty side, I wonder if Ron has had a chat with them. As for Kubica..... hey, why are you all asleep?)

[hoyarooter]

This seems to be evolving into a somewhat serious discussion (Formula 1 rantings aside), so I'll join in. Hifi, I honestly can't believe you haven't figured this out in all the time you have been posting. RDF and Moe are exactly right in their comments. No one really cares that Tigerhoya likes Clemson, Austinhoya likes Texas or I like UCLA, because even if we post things relating to those schools, those posts are infrequent, and aren't followed up by paragraphs of commentary. Nobody here has any interest in those things. In addition, no one else on this board takes posts that are Georgetown related and somehow turns them into a discussion of things affecting their other favorite school. Everyone finds that annoying. I don't think anyone objects to Florida being your favorite school. Just confine your comments primarily to Georgetown discussions, and I think that most of the animosity toward you will disappear.

[hifigator]

Well I'm glad we were able to clear that up. Talk of teams other than Georgetown belong on the Pro and College board -- as pointed out some 3 years ago. Accordingly, once clarified, even if the news was tangential to GU in some way, I have made a point of keeping such talk off of the main GU Hoyatalk board. Coincidentally, queite a few posts from others have been moved from HT to the Pro and College Board over that same time.

Additionally, I do find it interesting that oftentimes -- and this is one such instance -- I merely respond to something someone else brings up involving the Gators.

JJLayup brings up this thread and I respond.

moe asks a specific question and I respond.

I'm not going to banter on about this, but I have noticed a clear distinction at times. RDF doesn make a decent point in that Miami (at least historically) hasn't been competitive in basketball. Now that they are in the same conference, I would think such interests might draw a little more attention. But as for Texas, Clemson, Florida etc... they are all major players in both basketball and football. There is no need to distinguish between them in that regard.
In any case, that is enough along this line of discussion as far as I am concerned.

[Coast2CoastHoya]

moe - hifi left out one little detail of his arrival at HoyaTalk. He joined us (as did several other Florida fans who were, for lack of a better word, trolls), right before the Hoyas played the Gators in the Sweet 16 in 2006. As I'm sure you've gleaned from how we generally treat opponents posting here after a losing effort, he took a lot of heat for sticking around, not the least of which because he was, shall we say, a "divisive" presence at a sore time (admit it hifi).

Now, he's something of a HoyaTalk phenomenon. Since then he's become a regular and his commentary on Blue&Gray during the off season is a welcome addition to the monotany (despite the fact that I usually disagree with him about pretty much everything). Some people still push back as a matter of principle, but I like having hifi around. I generally agree with hoyarooter's assessment of the difference though, hifi.

For the record, I don't have an issue with people liking other teams so long as they're not a pain about it during basketball season.

[FormerHoya]

More Gators in the news...

Some freshman lineman shot in a park in Tampa.

Go Gators!

[williambraskyiii]

hifigaytor is a dooshbag

[moe09]

May 12, 2008 15:54:27 GMT -5 Coast2CoastHoya said:

moe - hifi left out one little detail of his arrival at HoyaTalk. He joined us (as did several other Florida fans who were, for lack of a better word, trolls), right before the Hoyas played the Gators in the Sweet 16 in 2006. As I'm sure you've gleaned from how we generally treat opponents posting here after a losing effort, he took a lot of heat for sticking around, not the least of which because he was, shall we say, a "divisive" presence at a sore time (admit it hifi).

Now, he's something of a HoyaTalk phenomenon. Since then he's become a regular and his commentary on Blue&Gray during the off season is a welcome addition to the monotany (despite the fact that I usually disagree with him about pretty much everything). Some people still push back as a matter of principle, but I like having hifi around. I generally agree with hoyarooter's assessment of the difference though, hifi.

For the record, I don't have an issue with people liking other teams so long as they're not a pain about it during basketball season.

And the truth comes out... I had a sneaking suspicion that that game had something to do with it. 3000 posts later and here we are.

I dunno, will, that is a hygienic product and hifi may take that as a compliment.

[hoyarooter]

May 12, 2008 16:46:42 GMT -5 williambraskyiii said:

hifigaytor is a dooshbag

I did say "most."

Unedited due to intentional spelling error, no doubt.