Hate crime charges dropped

[RusskyHoya]

Apr 30, 2008 16:34:30 GMT -5 thebin said:

So black on white violence is less than a third as common as white on black violence huh? Adjusted for percentages of violent crimes commited by race, those numbers, while not what I predicted, reflect an astounding preference for finding extra bonus hate crimes against whites than blacks.

"According to victims and witnesses, blacks committed 68.5 percent of all murders, rapes, robberies, and assaults in New York last year, though they are only 24 percent of the city’s population. Whites, who make up 34.5 percent of New Yorkers, committed 5.3 percent of those crimes. Blacks are nearly 13 times more likely to commit violent crimes than whites."

www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-02-07hm.html

The question isn't "which race was statistically more likely to commit crimes." That is not connected to "who are most hate crimes committed against." You claim that there is "an astounding preference for finding extra bonus hate crimes against whites than blacks. " I would reply that blacks are astoundingly poorer, especially in New York City, than whites, and the vast majority of the crimes committed in general are for economic reasons, so it makes sense that those rates would be higher.

By contrast, whites are the dominant majority (soon to be plurality) in this country. It is in their interest to maintain a privileged position, and racial intimidation through violence would be a means to that end. Additionally, given their greater economic well-being, it is not surprising that money might be the primary motivation in a smaller percentage of cases.

Note also that the number of white supremacist hate groups are by far the most numerous organized racist groups. The SPLC catalogued 207 Neo-Nazi group chapters, 90 racist skinhead groups, and 155 KKK chapters. By contrast, they found 81 Black Separatist hate groups.

This isn't surprising, given demography, and neither is the relative balance of anti-black vs. anti-white hate crimes. Especially given the long history (KKK, lynchings, James Byrd, etc.) of such violence and the fact that blacks get harsher sentences than whites for commission of the same crimes (which creates a relative incentive for white-on-black crimes and a disincentive for the opposite). Hate crime laws are supposed to help ameliorate this, but their effect is limited.

[RusskyHoya]

Apr 30, 2008 16:34:30 GMT -5 thebin said:

So black on white violence is less than a third as common as white on black violence huh? That seems about right to you? Must be because you are so enlightened and I am so racist I guess.

This part also requires a response, although it really shouldn't merit one: a three to one ratio of anti-black vs. anti-white hate crimes has absolutely nothing to do with the ratio of crimes in general committed by whites against blacks as opposed to blacks against whites. Nor is there any reason to expect that it should. It merely states that anti-black racial bias was the primary motivation for an attack in three times as many cases as anti-white racial bias.
Nothing about "black on white violence" being "a third as common as white on black violence."

It doesn't take a genius to come up with a large number of factors that would lead to anti-black racial bias being the primary motivating factor in more cases than anti-white racial bias, irrespective of relative statistical rates of crime commission by race.