GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Mar 1, 2008 19:53:10 GMT -5
You know what, Im sick of all the negativity. Sure, our team has problems, but so does every other team this year. We just won an incredible game in overtime and are now 24-4 and 14-3 in conference. This is a time for us all to be thankful about what we have and just appreciate this senior class. I am sick of seeing threads like this right after a win.
Shut up for 24 hours and just enjoy this! What more do you people want? We have a great team, who cares if we win ugly? WE WIN, ENOUGH SAID!!!
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lichoya68
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 1, 2008 20:22:48 GMT -5
hmmm oo7 good point  |
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Post by okday on Mar 1, 2008 20:52:31 GMT -5
I agree with you. Your points are insightful and true.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Mar 1, 2008 20:56:06 GMT -5
I'll pile on here... Of course, we would all like to see Roy get way more touches and shots. But today? So what. We won.
Enjoy tonight, fellas. Big Win.
Tomorrow? Back to practice and working on better passing and working the ball into Roy!
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royski
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Post by royski on Mar 1, 2008 21:17:03 GMT -5
Exactly. Our best win of the year came today. Lets just be excited.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 1, 2008 21:28:28 GMT -5
This is just not the time or place for a post like this. We just won an incredible game, let's enjoy it.
It amazes me sometimes the negativity that pervades a board of a 24-4 team who has a 14-3 conference record.
We won a game on the road against a very good team in a crazy atmosphere and we did not even play our best game, what is not to like?
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 1, 2008 22:23:03 GMT -5
hoyaspirit - go give a ZJ to hoyafoeva
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 1, 2008 22:48:58 GMT -5
Almost everybody on the board would like to see Roy get more touches but It doesn't look like it is going to happen. Obviously that is a negative. At the same time, we almost seem to be ignoring just how good our defense is. Marquette shot 34 % including a bunch of bunnies off of turnovers. In fact they had 25 points off of turnovers and 22 points on free throws - obviously there is some overlap. But basically, Marquette could not score in the half court offense except when they got fouled on drives. And with the notable exception of the three point follow late in regulation they did not rebound well either. We play incredibly tough D and we don't get rattled in tough games. While that may not win it all - only one team can do that each year - it is a combination that can win a lot of games. Now if we could just cut down on the absurd turnovers. Well said. |
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 2, 2008 0:02:17 GMT -5
We all want Roy to get the ball. We all think the guards can do a better job of looking to Roy. We all think the guards can improve on making entry passes. We all think that Roy needs to present a better target. Yes, Yes, Yes.... but all this means nothing if he's not getting the minutes.
The first 22 games or so, it felt like JT3 was using Roy sparringly. Now however, Roy is playing 30 plus minutes a game. The result is that his scoring is up.... he is getting more touches... and he is impacting the game in more ways than all of us put together can define.
If Roy plays 32 to 34 minutes a game... the Hoyas are a team that have as good a chance as any to make a run at the FF.
Its March!!!
WE ARE
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HoyaSpirit
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Post by HoyaSpirit on Mar 2, 2008 4:20:55 GMT -5
I'll pile on here... Of course, we would all like to see Roy get way more touches and shots. But today? So what. We won. Enjoy tonight, fellas. Big Win. Tomorrow? Back to practice and working on better passing and working the ball into Roy! It doesn't honestly look like they practice it very much at all, or even think about it. Sounds like wishful thinking as it hasn't improved in 2 years. Try this: rate our passing into the post 1 1/2 years ago 1-10 with 10 being best, then do the same thing for where it currently is. |
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HoyaSpirit
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Post by HoyaSpirit on Mar 2, 2008 4:29:46 GMT -5
We all want Roy to get the ball. We all think the guards can do a better job of looking to Roy. We all think the guards can improve on making entry passes. We all think that Roy needs to present a better target. Yes, Yes, Yes.... but all this means nothing if he's not getting the minutes. The first 22 games or so, it felt like JT3 was using Roy sparringly. Now however, Roy is playing 30 plus minutes a game. The result is that his scoring is up.... he is getting more touches... and he is impacting the game in more ways than all of us put together can define. If Roy plays 32 to 34 minutes a game... the Hoyas are a team that have as good a chance as any to make a run at the FF. Its March!!! WE ARE Agree fully that more minutes helps, and it makes sense to play a guy like him 30-34 minutes. I don't agree that everyone thinks Roy needs to present a better target. I'd rate him strong on that. He presents a pretty large target and holds it for a decent length of time. And works hard down there for little reward. As for a few of the posts in this thread - having standards is not negativity. And being honest about our chances for winning the title is not negativity. It’s honesty. And expecting our coach and players to do something that would be really easy to do and that would triple our chances for winning the title is not negative, it’s basic. And looking at how you play the game and not just if you got a win is smart, not negative. It’s what is going to determine if we win a lot of games in a row against quality teams come tournament time. That’s all. And it’s amusing to a degree that people complaining about negativity are swearing and using the f word. Like I said. I would rather watch a Hoya team that has the talent to be ranked 20-25 achieve at the level of 15-20, than to see a team that has the talent to be 1-5 achieve at the 10-15 level largely because of ignoring doing one pretty easy thing. If you prefer the latter, I won’t say you’re being negative. I’ll disagree. But enough of the complaining about "negativity." Get over it. And get over your problems about honest assessments of our team. |
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HoyaSpirit
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Post by HoyaSpirit on Mar 2, 2008 5:07:44 GMT -5
Roy gets more than 8 shots per game. You're not reading the numbers correctly. When he gets fouled and misses, it is not scored as an attempt. Roy has taken 131 FT attempts in 27 games, about 5 per game, the most on the team by far. (DaJuan has 87 attempts in the same number of games, for about 3 per game on average.) That probably translates to an average of 2 more shots per game for Roy, or 10 FG attempts, the most on the team. See statsheet.com/mcb/teams/georgetown/players#shooting. I'm sure we could, if JT3 wanted, get him even more attempts, but let's not be misleading in our discussion. He IS our most active shooter. And we're in 1st place in the conference. Things could be a lot worse. Actually I believe you're misreading them - I believe you're completely missing the 3 point shot attempts in that link. You have to add 2s and 3s to get total shots. Not just count 2s. And even if you factor in FT factor, then Roy is still only tied for 4th with Freeman for most shots - at about 285. With Summers at 395. I will refrain from accusing you of being misleading. Would appreciate the same courtesy next time. And you know - things everywhere could be a lot worse. Saying that doesn't mean much. It doesn't mean you can't point out that a team is achieving much lower than it should. --- Finally, responding to the rdf post since I was offline most of the day - my eval of success is not whether we win the championship. I didn't say that. But I do think it's important to look at how you play as an indicator of your real chances and ours are much lower than they need to be. And I do think it's fair and reasonable to take enjoyment in watching a team play smart basketball (which was more present last year with Green on the squad) and to point it out when they don't. And it would not be very hard to fix it. And I do think it's important when you have the talent to have a better chance than normal at winning it, to take advantage of it by doing everything you can. Honestly, if we had never won a championship our recruiting would be effected by it to some extent, the tradition of our program would be considered lower than it is overall, the press would give us less atttention etc. So for this year of course we don't need to win it all to be a success, but we have to take advantage of the level of talent that we've got and play to the level we can to be considered a success. |
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 2, 2008 8:11:46 GMT -5
SMART IS GOOD but working hard will most always beat smart and these guys especially the seniors and especially the energizer bunny patrick work VERY VERY HARD the harder i work the luckier i get and luck favors the prepared mind and ill try never to curse so much and worry and complain like i did yesterday because these kids no men are the real deal februarys team and marches masters go hoysa beat the ville fill the booth and lets give our seniors a day they deserve and will remember forever
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Mar 2, 2008 12:44:30 GMT -5
Spirit, the 3-point attempts are included in the total FG attempts. You're still not reading the numbers correctly.
Be that as it may, I really disagree with you on the more subjective point. I don't see us as a team with "1-5 talent" that is underperforming. I think just the opposite: looking at our players individually, on paper so to speak, we have 15-25 talent at best. And we are overachieving for the second year in a row because of coaching, teamwork and heart.
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Mar 2, 2008 13:04:10 GMT -5
I feel sort of obligated to bring up the Al Pacino "inches" speech from Any Given Sunday here.
Florida last year was a very good team. But they barely beat Butler. Ohio State, who took us down, barely beat Xavier. We needed miraculous finishes against Vandy and UNC. UCLA's 1995 champs almost got taken out in the second round by Mizzou. Duke's '91-'92 team, one of the better squads ever, barely beat Kentucky.
GU's chances of winning it all are very small. This is mainly because everyone's chances of winning it all are very small. The Monaco simulation of the NCAA tournament never gives the #1 team a fifty percent chance of winning.
Any of the top teams - us, Kansas, UNC, UCLA - can, in a one-and-done tournament, get knocked out simply because shots don't fall and someone gets on a hot streak. Injuries - like one to us that knocked out some guard depth - can be devastating.
Please just remember that, while we may lose in the NCAAs, it may not be our fault because Roy didn't get the ball enough, or we didn't rebound enough. Occasionally, it's just not a team's night. We can do a lot to reduce the effect of random chance, but we can't eliminate it.
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