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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Feb 8, 2008 7:52:43 GMT -5
In SOCCER news - a lot of good premiership action this weekend - headlined by the Manchester derby and Liverpool and Chelsea meeting to decide where they will finish in the Top 4.
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 8, 2008 8:21:42 GMT -5
Shouldn't he have had to throw the flag before the first free throw was in the air? God the arbitrariness of the use of college replay "system" is annoying. Modified to note: Hey Biff, where'd the post go? Not arbitrary at all, the rulebook expressly provides for this behavior (kindly excuse the wanton plagiarism from BurleithBeast's post after the WVU game): From the rulebook, see Rule 2-13-5(e): "Art. 1. Courtside replay equipment, videotape or television monitoring must be located on a designated courtside table (i.e., within approximately 3 to 12 feet of the playing court), in order to be utilized by game officials. An on-screen graphic display on the monitor may be used only when the display is synchronized with the official game clock. Art 2.Officials may use such available equipment only in the following situations: a. Free Throws. 1. Determine who shall attempt a free throw(s) when there is uncertainty. 2. Determine whether a player who was fouled on his or her unsuccessful field goal try, at or near the three-point line, shall attempt either two or three free throws. 3. Determine whether the wrong player was permitted to attempt a free throw as per 2-12.1.c. 4. Determine whether a player was permitted to attempt a free throw at the wrong basket as per 2-12.1.d.
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Post by njcoach on Feb 8, 2008 8:34:24 GMT -5
4. Determine whether a player was permitted to attempt a free throw at the wrong basket as per 2-12.1.d. Huh? We need replay equipment for that?
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Feb 8, 2008 9:12:52 GMT -5
In SOCCER news - a lot of good premiership action this weekend - headlined by the Manchester derby and Liverpool and Chelsea meeting to decide where they will finish in the Top 4. Lock this up, especially because there is no mention of West Ham.
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Post by I Bleed Hoya Gray on Feb 8, 2008 9:16:07 GMT -5
But isn't it arbitrary WHEN to use the replay. I know you're allowed to use replay to figure out who the shooter was, but when can you check?
In the NFL when they snap the ball on the next play, you can't challenge anymore. It seems like once the ref hands the shooter the ball, that's when you can't change it. But give them a little leeway, once the player takes a shot, you definitely shouldn't challenge. And after he takes TWO? Seems like that's the arbitrary point to me.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Feb 8, 2008 9:24:57 GMT -5
But isn't it arbitrary WHEN to use the replay. I know you're allowed to use replay to figure out who the shooter was, but when can you check? In the NFL when they snap the ball on the next play, you can't challenge anymore. It seems like once the ref hands the shooter the ball, that's when you can't change it. But give them a little leeway, once the player takes a shot, you definitely shouldn't challenge. And after he takes TWO? Seems like that's the arbitrary point to me. I see what you mean, since scoring, and thus play, continues. But isn't the clock stopped during this whole sequence? Pgh Post Gazette article this morning inferred that the clock being stopped (especially since Thuggy Bear called a TO) was determinative. tinyurl.com/2xtont
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Post by bmartin on Feb 8, 2008 9:33:56 GMT -5
So if he made the first, but missed the second, the clock would have started and there could be no review?
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Feb 8, 2008 9:38:12 GMT -5
Adding to the humor of all this was that the guy who ended up going to the line actually very clearly fouled Blair, not the other way around. The refs must have felt like idiots watching the replay.
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Post by jgalt on Feb 8, 2008 9:41:11 GMT -5
4. Determine whether a player was permitted to attempt a free throw at the wrong basket as per 2-12.1.d. Huh? We need replay equipment for that? this is a special condition added for when reffing west virginia games, through out the 80s and 90s it happened an extraordinary (although not surprising) number of times but seriously does this mean that evert D-I games has to have this, even popcorn state playing popcorn state?
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 8, 2008 9:47:00 GMT -5
It's getting to argue against UCLA as the best team in the country right now. No offense to Memphis, but the Bruins are rolling. Let's hope we can match them with a strong road win on Saturday.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Feb 8, 2008 10:59:04 GMT -5
So if he made the first, but missed the second, the clock would have started and there could be no review? I suppose so, which makes the irony even more delicious: One of the few times WVU makes two free throws, and it still hurts them. Maybe they should never get fouled. Just chuck from the cheap seats all game.
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Post by hoyafoeva on Feb 8, 2008 11:03:10 GMT -5
Huggins is going to have a heart attack this year. It's been a tough year in Morgantown.... Not a nice thing to say, its just a game
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 8, 2008 11:54:18 GMT -5
I am not sure what you mean? I am not wishing for him to have a heart attack, but with the way he emotes, he looks to be under a lot of stress - especially with heart breaking games WVU has played in.
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Feb 8, 2008 12:07:35 GMT -5
But isn't it arbitrary WHEN to use the replay. I know you're allowed to use replay to figure out who the shooter was, but when can you check? Exactly. If the refs were unsure of who the shooter was, shouldn't the time to determine that be before the guy has made two buckets? At that point it seems like the best course it to realize you made a mistake but suck it up and let the game move on. There seems to have been more and more use of replay in games this year, to the point where officials are using it as a crutch (and the teams have limited ability to influence when and how it is used). Not only that, but it does affect the pace of the game when extended timeouts come out of nowhere because officials are unsure of something.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 8, 2008 13:05:35 GMT -5
But isn't it arbitrary WHEN to use the replay. I know you're allowed to use replay to figure out who the shooter was, but when can you check? The language is "3. Determine whether the wrong player was permitted to attempt a free throw as per 2-12.1.c." "was permitted" in the past tense suggests that the person has already attempted at least one FT before the opposing coach challenged the shooter's identity. I suspect this will soon get out of hand much like the idiotic "icing" of NFL kickers on field goals and the rule will just be scrapped entirely after the season (or so we can hope).
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Post by kchoya on Feb 8, 2008 17:32:45 GMT -5
In catching a quick reply, the anchor (on ESPN?) said you have to challenge the FTs (or the Refs have to check the replay) at the next dead ball situation at the latest.
ON EDIT:Rule 2, § 12, Art. 2 says “When the officials’ error as in Rule 2-12.1 [allowing correction of improper player taking Fts] is made while the game clock is stopped, such errors must be recognized and corrected by an official during the first dead ball after the game clock has been started properly.”
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Post by theexorcist on Feb 8, 2008 21:05:22 GMT -5
4. Determine whether a player was permitted to attempt a free throw at the wrong basket as per 2-12.1.d. Huh? We need replay equipment for that? As another great Hoya fan and I were discussing over lunch today, it's called out in the rules because it had to have happened before. Think of it as the "warning - product is HOT" warning on coffee.
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