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Post by vcjack on Dec 12, 2007 0:07:07 GMT -5
The annual TJ Ford taken off on a stretcher game---has a basketball player ever been more prone to getting carted off the court then this guy? Geez. No, unless you count Wade leaving games on a wheelchair for arm injuries
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Post by RDF on Dec 12, 2007 2:16:54 GMT -5
The annual TJ Ford taken off on a stretcher game---has a basketball player ever been more prone to getting carted off the court then this guy? Geez. No, unless you count Wade leaving games on a wheelchair for arm injuries True--and forgot about Wade--he's due for one of his dramatic "Glenn Dorsey of LSU" departures to lockerroom only to storm back out ala Willis Reed--or is it Willis Drummond? All I know is that certain guys ALWAYS seem to be injured and while it's not polite to say it--it has to be said--you do no good for a team if you aren't on the court and part of being an elite athlete is knowing how to protect yourself--and Ford seems to be made of butter instead of bone--time to put humpty dumpty together again.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 12, 2007 11:26:54 GMT -5
I don't think there was any intent whatsoever on Horford's part. He has a great reputation and there's no reason to think it was anything other than an accident. That being said, I think they did the right thing kicking him out of the game. Did anyone watch the actual game or just catch the highlights? I just saw clips on sportscenter. What was strange was they said they called it a flagrant 1, not a flagrant 2. I thought the ejection went with a flagrant 2 though.
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Post by vcjack on Dec 13, 2007 23:51:13 GMT -5
The Wiz win in Miami for the first time since 2003, that's a hell of a drought for the NBA
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Post by hifigator on Dec 14, 2007 14:49:50 GMT -5
Al Horford was given a 1 game suspension for his flagrant on TJ Ford.
I think that is fair. He didn't mean anything by it, but you still have to control yourself and fouls like that could injure a player severely. I don't have a problem with the suspension.
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Post by RDF on Dec 14, 2007 15:02:19 GMT -5
Any suspension involving the "China Doll" known as TJ Ford is ridiculous. This kid is made of balsa wood and has more theatrical flops then most players do in the history of the sport. I call it "Dorsey-ing"--as in LSU football player and phony Glenn Dorsey who always goes to the lockerroom only to come running out and playing--but has injury excuse to hide the fact he's not as good as hyped. TJ Ford, Dwyane Wade, Vince Carter head up this team in NBA--of phony "tough guys". They get bumped and it's time to bring out the stretcher, and have mass prayer to hope they make it through that vicious bump they took. I only wish Horford had thrown Ford through the floor and given him a true reason to draw all of that attention. Seeing that play--Ford created his own mess and if he's the athlete we've all seen--he could've avoided this and should've avoided this--learn to protect yourself and quit milking things. Grow a SET and play ball!
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Post by hifigator on Dec 14, 2007 16:39:51 GMT -5
Tell us how you really feel RDF.
In all seriousness, I just think that simply being an "accident" isn't enough of a reason to absolve oneself from responsibility. As it worked out, it wasn't a dirty play but I do think you have to control yourself. In that situation he was in the air and moving horizontally. When Horford came down on his head it stopped the horizontal movement of his upper body, but not his legs. That created a very dangerous situation and I think it is valid to suspend him for one game. I don't say it because of either individual involved, but solely because of the nature of the foul. Basically any foul where you put the other player in a seriously dangerous and precarious spot could be worthy of suspension.
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Post by vcjack on Dec 15, 2007 16:06:49 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 15, 2007 16:13:27 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Dec 15, 2007 18:19:35 GMT -5
Even more reason to learn how to protect yourself on the court and if you are going to be reckless--then maybe you should think twice about playing a sport for a living. I don't think the hit was nearly as bad as the landing--which is all on Ford--for the theatrics he put into the play after taking the hit from Horford. It's really simple and I don't have any remorse for the way guys milk being "injured" to get "warrior status" from media/fans. If you are injured--and seriously injured--don't play. If you choose to go out and play--learn to protect yourself. This wasn't a case of Ford's knee blowing out or someone taking him out--this was a case of a guy flopping after the hit and causing his head to smack into the floor--quit flopping and this doesn't happen.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 15, 2007 19:44:03 GMT -5
Even more reason to learn how to protect yourself on the court and if you are going to be reckless--then maybe you should think twice about playing a sport for a living. Agreed - although if a guy palms your face from behind while you are in mid-air I am not sure how much intentional flopping you can do in a split second.
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Post by RDF on Dec 20, 2007 1:39:58 GMT -5
First time seeing the Celtics tonight: 1. Ray Allen was playing at a level I don't remember seeing from him since Milwaukee days--truly some big time ball 2. Pierce is a big time player 3. KG was KG--perimeter shots, yelling/scowling, rebounds, and disappearing act in crunch time--even threw in his gag at the FT line as always. Loved the time he passed up a layup to drop a pass off to Kendrick Perkins who got his stuff swatted by McDyess. KG passing to Eddie House, KG passing to Glen Davis--where does it end? He's in right place-he can get accolades like a franchise player--but play like a role player when it's money time--same old KG I've seen through years. 4. Glen Davis is GARBAGE 5. Come April/Playoff Time-we'll see how loose Eddie House/Rajon Rando are playing--I'm not buying what I see right now. 6. Pistons deserved to win in regulation--one of Allen's 3's was really a 2pt shot and refs missed it--so they technically were up by 3 at end of game--but who's counting when it comes to the Celts and this "magical fairytale story" everyone is smitten with? Nothing like watching a 7'1 guy passing to a 6'7 guy in the post because the 7'1 guy doesn't like to bang bodies. Don't know why either--when he misses layups/dunks due to not being strong enough--they bail him out with calls--so he should post up more. Anyways--nice to see the more things change--(KG's uniform number/new team) the more they stay the same (disappearing come crunch time) BTW--if any team watched tonight--expect a lot of trapping/ball pressure come Playoff time--the Celtics looked disoriented trying to handle pressure and needed ball screens to get ball up the court.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 20, 2007 7:52:11 GMT -5
Aaron Gray's line last night against the Wiz:
10 points on 4 for 6 shooting 10 rebounds 5 assists
All in 29 minutes.
Not bad for a second round pick who should have gone late first. Of course Gray doesn't have the "explosive athleticism" that attracts NBA scouts or draws the attention of NBA fans. Its one game and its early but I've been hearing some good things about Gray's play and he appears to be a better contributer at this time than Noah who has the quickness and athleticism that basketball folks gush over. Its a good thing that Gray has found a team i the Bulls who play half court basketball and that the starting center, Ben Wallace, is both a bust and injured which gives Gray an opportunity for more minutes.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 20, 2007 10:02:26 GMT -5
First time seeing the Celtics tonight: 1. Ray Allen was playing at a level I don't remember seeing from him since Milwaukee days--truly some big time ball 2. Pierce is a big time player 3. KG was KG--perimeter shots, yelling/scowling, rebounds, and disappearing act in crunch time--even threw in his gag at the FT line as always. Loved the time he passed up a layup to drop a pass off to Kendrick Perkins who got his stuff swatted by McDyess. KG passing to Eddie House, KG passing to Glen Davis--where does it end? He's in right place-he can get accolades like a franchise player--but play like a role player when it's money time--same old KG I've seen through years. 4. Glen Davis is GARBAGE 5. Come April/Playoff Time-we'll see how loose Eddie House/Rajon Rando are playing--I'm not buying what I see right now. 6. Pistons deserved to win in regulation--one of Allen's 3's was really a 2pt shot and refs missed it--so they technically were up by 3 at end of game--but who's counting when it comes to the Celts and this "magical fairytale story" everyone is smitten with? Nothing like watching a 7'1 guy passing to a 6'7 guy in the post because the 7'1 guy doesn't like to bang bodies. Don't know why either--when he misses layups/dunks due to not being strong enough--they bail him out with calls--so he should post up more. Anyways--nice to see the more things change--(KG's uniform number/new team) the more they stay the same (disappearing come crunch time) BTW--if any team watched tonight--expect a lot of trapping/ball pressure come Playoff time--the Celtics looked disoriented trying to handle pressure and needed ball screens to get ball up the court. Glen Davis is a rookie. He's had some really great games but he also has some games dominated by boneheaded plays. He has shown more promise than they hoped though. Pierce may be a big time player, but he lost the game last night with that silly fade away (the shot you murder KG for constantly) when he could have ducked under to the rim and gotten a layup or a foul. It sould not have come down to Tony Allen trying to guard Billups - that was no contest. As usual, Hubie Brown was on target with a "let's wait to see how they do when they have to go on the road in the Western Conference."
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Post by RDF on Dec 20, 2007 12:32:15 GMT -5
First time seeing the Celtics tonight: 1. Ray Allen was playing at a level I don't remember seeing from him since Milwaukee days--truly some big time ball 2. Pierce is a big time player 3. KG was KG--perimeter shots, yelling/scowling, rebounds, and disappearing act in crunch time--even threw in his gag at the FT line as always. Loved the time he passed up a layup to drop a pass off to Kendrick Perkins who got his stuff swatted by McDyess. KG passing to Eddie House, KG passing to Glen Davis--where does it end? He's in right place-he can get accolades like a franchise player--but play like a role player when it's money time--same old KG I've seen through years. 4. Glen Davis is GARBAGE 5. Come April/Playoff Time-we'll see how loose Eddie House/Rajon Rando are playing--I'm not buying what I see right now. 6. Pistons deserved to win in regulation--one of Allen's 3's was really a 2pt shot and refs missed it--so they technically were up by 3 at end of game--but who's counting when it comes to the Celts and this "magical fairytale story" everyone is smitten with? Nothing like watching a 7'1 guy passing to a 6'7 guy in the post because the 7'1 guy doesn't like to bang bodies. Don't know why either--when he misses layups/dunks due to not being strong enough--they bail him out with calls--so he should post up more. Anyways--nice to see the more things change--(KG's uniform number/new team) the more they stay the same (disappearing come crunch time) BTW--if any team watched tonight--expect a lot of trapping/ball pressure come Playoff time--the Celtics looked disoriented trying to handle pressure and needed ball screens to get ball up the court. Glen Davis is a rookie. He's had some really great games but he also has some games dominated by boneheaded plays. He has shown more promise than they hoped though. Pierce may be a big time player, but he lost the game last night with that silly fade away (the shot you murder KG for constantly) when he could have ducked under to the rim and gotten a layup or a foul. It sould not have come down to Tony Allen trying to guard Billups - that was no contest. As usual, Hubie Brown was on target with a "let's wait to see how they do when they have to go on the road in the Western Conference." Glen Davis is TRASH--has no game and is a flabby tub of crap who smiles and plays with media--so he gets kudos for that--cute mascot. Pierce and Allen were the only reason that game wasn't a double digit loss--but the shot wasn't the best--and why not wait until it's the last shot--so worst case scenario it's OT? Also--why is Ray Allen taking the ball out and not getting that shot with the way he was shooting last night? Defending KG? Keep doing it--and see where it gets you. You guys who slurp him crack me up--the guy's history isn't 1/2 years--it's not even 5--he's played in the league 10+ seasons--and NOTHING has changed---he's not winning any championship with how he plays. It's not that he can't--all he'd have to do is pass to Ray Allen or Pierce--and yet he's 7'1--2 feet from rim and he drops a pass to Kendrick Perkins who gets his **** thrown and at best--would've been fouled and yakked up some FT's. That's not getting it done. Scowl/howl, yell and do all that crap--and you play like female dog down the stretch--it's why I've never liked him. You can't ACT like an alpha male on the court--get paid like one, and then play like a timid little school girl when it's time to earn the check/status. Last but not least---Pierce at least took the shot--he didn't pass to Tony Allen or Kendrick Perkins--now I didn't like the shot or the time he left on clock--but he TOOK it--unlike everyone's "Darling" Kevin Garnett. The fadeaways come late in game--not with last shot scenario--unless it's pure desperation--but watch more--you'll learn. (then again--I've tried to tell people for over a decade--maybe you won't)
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 21, 2007 1:43:28 GMT -5
RDF: Not once in my post did I "defend" KG - I just called you out for cracking on him constantly.
No problem with having Pierce take the last shot - the problem is he too often settles for a fallaway like that when the sure thing - layup and/or foul is there for the taking. The guy's a great player but every once in awhile you wonder about his shot selection at crunch times.
Frankly, I'd rather have Pierce or Allen take the last shot for that team every game.
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Post by RDF on Dec 21, 2007 3:15:08 GMT -5
RDF: Not once in my post did I "defend" KG - I just called you out for cracking on him constantly. As long as he consistently gets praised for things he does NOT do-which includes his nickname "the Franchise/Big Ticket" and the guy never wants the responsibility that comes with it--I'll call him out for it. Come on Dan--you are one of the best players in the world--2 feet from rim--in the air--and you drop the ball off to Kendrick Perkins who was further away from basket--that has to be CALLED OUT-and it consistently supports my take on Garnett. He's not alone--but he's the biggest offender in the league for someone of his talent level, height, and the quality of looks he passes up. No argument on the shot selection by Pierce or the fact he took it too soon--you are dead on--but he took the shot and that is more then I can say for Garnett.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 21, 2007 3:58:47 GMT -5
RDF - not arguing with your assessment of KG, just making two points: one, your obsession with him ;D and two, that you shouldn't lump me in with his 'defenders.' He's a great player and he's now on a team that can compensate for his deficiencies, although if they don't find a guard that Billups can't post up and score on every time down the floor they are not getting past Detroit. And come on! Where's the love for Perk? Don't be so cold!
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Post by RDF on Dec 21, 2007 12:11:31 GMT -5
I take issue with all NBA players--it's just that I really go after the guys who get FALSE acclaim for being something they are NOT. McGrady and Garnett being the main culprits.
However--I watched Carmelo Anthony and Allen Iverson late into the night--and they didn't work too hard to get open for that shot needed at the end--although AI did take/miss a shot to end 1st OT. Anthony Carter took a pump fake/floating shot and it fell--luck and it was with Allen allowing himself to be defended--which he does too many times in those situations in my opinion. Difference is--he'll take tough shots down the stretch or if he's got the ball--my issue with Iverson--he doesn't always work the hardest to go get the ball late in a game.
As for Celtics--they shouldn't try to play halfcourt ball with Pistons--if you run--that is how you get by Detroit--if you try to grind with them--they'll win in 5 games. Of course it would help if Garnett would play near the rim on both ends--but that won't happen, so going to need Perkins, Big Mascot--I mean Baby (btw--isn't Dejuan Blair of Pitt already three times the talent of Davis--and shown a better commitment to future/team by being in shape as a FR?), and so on. If I were Boston--I'd put someone else on Sheed--as he's getting to point he'd rather stand out and fire 3's--and his post game has been detiorating--why waste Garnett on him--where he's not near the rim to defend/rebound? If Wallace starts posting up--and more importantly making shots--then put Garnett on him--but why waste KG 25 feet from basket on defense?
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Post by vcjack on Dec 25, 2007 16:37:05 GMT -5
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