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Post by RDF on Jul 29, 2005 12:27:50 GMT -5
Way, I respect OU because they play hard and their kids are classy and Bob Stoops has done a good job, but more than anything, they are NOT AFRAID to play the big boys. OU has non conference games in next few years with Canes, Florida State, Washington, LSU, Notre Dame, BYU, UCLA, Oregon, and I respect that aspect from a Big XII team--Texas A&M and Colorado also play tough out of conference schedules.
Texas on the other hand splits with Arkansas and Mack Brown's response is "I learned my lesson, we're not going to schedule like that again" and believe me I expect he'll say something similar after the Ohio State game this year.
As for Canes, Berlin sucked and is a typical Evangel HS BUST. That school has the most overrated players and why anyone would recruit there is beyond me. Actually the best Evangel player is former Longhorn Phillip Geiger who showed improvement over his career and JD Booty at USC isn't bad, just expect Mark Sanchez to jump over him on depth chart.
Canes embarrassing era was Dennis Erickson--he was a clown who brought in some BAD SEEDS and part of that was his own Staff--he was a drunk and Ed Orgeron was a scumball who spent too many times doing coke and boozing to address problems and thank goodness for Butch Davis coming back to clean things up. Orgeron went to USC to help Pete Carroll and believe me SC will start having some similar problems--they are already in terms of kids partying too hard and not attending class, but they won so it gets ignored--just like Erickson's UM teams.
Kyle Wright looked like an entirely different player in Spring ball and was really playing with confidence. He's best QB Canes have had in terms of physical ability in a long time--but I am hoping he can combine that with mental toughness/leadership of Ken Dorsey. Some players who will make an impact this year are Derron Thomas a RS Frosh RB, Reggie Youngblood, true FR OT, Dajleon Farr, Frosh TE will be awesome when paired with Greg Olsen, and defensively I'm very high on Eric Moncur at DE and Randy Phillips at CB--he's already running with ones at Nickel back and he's a true FR.
Miami's going to win at least one title in next 3 years, just a matter of how quickly the QB situation settles and if Wright gets off to the great start I expect against FELONY STATE University, could be a huge year. I'm expecting Canes to drill Nolies by at least 17 in Doak to kick off the season. Bowden's lost total control of that program and while the Nolies have talent, they have no character and they are a very poorly conditioned football team--watch how sloppy/fat their OL are and how many of their kids are cramping/tired by 2nd Quarter compared to Canes.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 29, 2005 13:08:40 GMT -5
USC kids partying and not going to class? So what's new? That's been their MO since I was a lad.
RDF, I acknowledge that the defense wasn't great in the Rose Bowl game, and Michigan's defense may have been down from other years, but I don't think they were all that bad. I just think Chris Young had a transcendent performance (but you are right, RDF, he's no passer - yet), and as a fan of neither school, I found the game extremely entertaining. Plus, don't forget, Michigan cleaned Iowa's clock last year, so I don't know if Iowa's defense was any better than Michigan's, they were just playing an opponent that didn't have as many offensive weapons.
And Austin, I think it's been amply demonstrated that comparative scores mean nothing. So Texas killed Texas Tech and Texas Tech beat Cal. So what? It isn't unusual for a team that is passed over for a major bowl to crater in a lesser bowl due to letdown, and I believe that's what happened to Cal. Texas Tech and Texas have scoreboard in their respective bowl games, but that doesn't mean that Texas was (i) better than Cal or (ii) more deserving of the spot in the Rose Bowl.
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Post by RDF on Jul 29, 2005 15:19:24 GMT -5
Rooter, the Michigan game was Iowa's turning point in the season--Drew Tate struggled for 3 quarters and then played an excellent 4th quarter--and had them making a late run in the game before a key turnover. Remember Iowa played Michigan at a point where they'd lost RB's 1-5 to season ending injuries. Once they committed to being a passing team they flourished and thoroughly dominated a Ohio State team that had talent but was in midst of their QB mess--Smith vs Zwick.
Michigan's defense yielded an average of 33.3 points per game in their last 3 games of the year prior to the Bowl Loss. It's MSU RB ran for over 200 yards, Noah Herron of Northwestern ran for 150+, and Troy Smith ran all over them as well. So Young and Texas' did nothing special here. Heck, even ND and Darius Walker ran on Wolverines and ND was a very poor offense. I liked Michigan's team offensively a great deal, just thought their defense was slow at Linebacker and poor in the Secondary--Ernest Shazor was highly overrated and too slow. I think Wolverines are going to be a very good team this year though. I like the athletes they've recruited past 2/3 years and their Secondary should be solid--but I point to better LB's with more speed as key.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 1, 2005 16:38:04 GMT -5
RDF:
I didn't get angry because you criticized the Texas football program. I got angry because of your paternalistic, know-it-all attitude. My first post was entirely civil and the scores listed had no inflammatory argument attached to them. I put the numbers out there for discussion. You came back with "typical Horn fan," making it clear that you equate that phrase with "moron," while also using my post as an opportunity to unleash your vendetta against the Big XII conference.
Re: your qualifications, I have a friend who is related to Bela Fleck. Does that make him a good banjo player?
My dad played QB at Texas Tech and taught me a lot about the game. But more importantly, I played DL and TE in 7th/8th grade and I played OT in high school. Whether you like it or not, it's been my experience that most people equate playing HS football in Texas, Florida, California, or Ohio (and maybe NJ) to playing HS basketball in NYC. It is also my humble opinion that people who have played the game are more perceptive than people who haven't. For example, when I say during a Georgetown football game that "Benson didn't even pull a guard on that sweep," most people look at me funny. When the 'Canes run a counter, most people don't see the play, they merely see "Oh, the running back ran through the hole." I'm not saying that someone who hasn't played football can't be perceptive, but there are a lot of loudmouth clowns out there who think they know a lot about the sport of football who don't. Trust me, there are plenty of them in this state. I characterized you as one of these people (perhaps unfairly) because you attacked me personally and had taken the time to write a novel on this year's SEC that appears to be a recitation of ESPN commentary.
Reality is, it isn't practical for anyone, myself included, to claim to be an expert on college football because it is an in-depth sport and each team has like a 90-man roster. This is why the only thing I posted with any sort of opinion attached was Texas' four-year record. I have not made any outrageous claims, tried to analyze Vince Young's throwing motion, or claimed the 'Horns will beat OU or win it all this season.
You, on the other hand, have composed a manifesto on this season's SEC and issued a warning to anyone "sleeping on Iowa," when nobody is sleeping on the Hawkeyes. Every analyst out there is slurping Iowa -- many are projecting them in the top 10 or even top 5. CBS has them at number 2, for God's sake. Although you may indeed like the Hawkeyes on principle, perhaps you can see why it appeared to me you were just making a trendy pick.
To end any argument about my "problems" with you criticizing the 'Horns, allow me to restate what I said above: I don't like Greg Davis' offense and I'm no fan of Mack Brown. Allow me to add that the 'Horns are clearly overrated this year, with question marks at RB, WR, and the entire defense with Greg Robinson leaving to be the head coach at Syracuse. I have them ending their run of 10+ wins/season in 2005, losing at Ohio State, against OU, against Texas Tech in Austin, and at TAMU.
Say what you will about the Big XII, but it is likely four teams from the Big XII South will be in the Top 25 or at least receiving votes when the poll is released in the next couple weeks: Texas, OU, Texas Tech and TAMU. I'm not trying to change your opinion on the Big XII, just pointing out that while the Big XII South is not the SEC East, reasonable minds can disagree on whether a conference is overrated.
Last thing I'll say: I used to abhor The U, but I've softened that stance since Larry Coker became the coach: he's a classy guy that knows how to win. I think you're going to enjoy the 2005 season.
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Post by Boz on Aug 2, 2005 10:59:51 GMT -5
Can I just say for the record how creeped out I am by the increasing popularity of the term, slurping?
I heard Kornheiser and Wilbon using that recently and, well, let's just say I could have lived a long and happy life without ever having that mental image presented to me.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 2, 2005 13:09:52 GMT -5
First time I have ever seen Texas A&M referred to as TAMU. Sounds like a whale! ;D
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Post by TigerHoya on Aug 25, 2005 21:00:55 GMT -5
Well, at least Spurrier has a chance to beat up on Bowden's son Tommy in the Clemson-South Carolina rivalry game. Just like the coaching legend Lou Holtz got to beat up on them 1 time out of the 6 years he was there? Holtz and Spurrier both have just milked a program desperate for success for the spotlight and paycheck.
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Post by RDF on Sept 3, 2005 18:48:20 GMT -5
Well, it's on Texas, A&M, and Texas Tech to carry the Big XII---watched OU game and parts of Colorado and was NOT impressed. This "freeze" read option play from Shotgun that OU's now using looks like Texas' style of offense and it's just bad football and dominated by TCU. That game wasn't as close as the score. Just don't see Big XII in same light as other top programs--they have some good athletes but mediocre/HS like coaching when it comes to Offensive Football.
Good luck to your team Austin and hope they look good and am going to watch the game next week, but have to say this only made me doubt the Big XII more today.
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Post by RDF on Sept 11, 2005 0:39:39 GMT -5
Congrats Austin---nice win by Horns tonight and puts them in a good position to get to Pasadena as rest of Big XII isn't going to provide much of a challenge--a few will but I see Horns getting through unscathed from now until Pasadena. Good call on Iowa being overrated too--they were horrible today against ISU. I know their QB got knocked out but he was playing shaky before he got his bell rung. Good luck to you and Horns but still not a fan of Big XII style of football--or Ohio State either--saw too many Single Wing sequences to really enjoy the game. I mean it is almost 2006 and Ohio State was running QB Sweeps?? Bucks had their chances to blow this open but Tressel played for FG's and he deserved to lose this game and hope he learns that that is loser football. Not enjoyable to watch either. Vince Young stepped up when he had too, but still don't see this kid as an NFL QB--he's a great athlete and college QB but doesn't read defenses at all and despite the hype ABC was blowing up his rear, his game doesn't translate to NFL at all as a QB--can't read coverages and his low throwing motion is a disaster waiting to happen. Fun to watch play though.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 11, 2005 9:24:06 GMT -5
First time I have ever seen Texas A&M referred to as TAMU. Sounds like a whale! ;D The A&M yells more properly refer to it by its older acronym, "TAMC". Of course, trying to explain the yells to DC fans is quite another thing. Squads left! Squads right! Farmers, farmers, we’re all right! Load, ready, aim, fire.... BOOM! A&M... give us room! Whoooop!www.theeagle.com/aandmnews/aggieprimer/aggieprimer2004/68.htm
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 11, 2005 19:34:26 GMT -5
Congrats Austin---nice win by Horns tonight and puts them in a good position to get to Pasadena as rest of Big XII isn't going to provide much of a challenge--a few will but I see Horns getting through unscathed from now until Pasadena. Good call on Iowa being overrated too--they were horrible today against ISU. I know their QB got knocked out but he was playing shaky before he got his bell rung. Good luck to you and Horns but still not a fan of Big XII style of football--or Ohio State either--saw too many Single Wing sequences to really enjoy the game. I mean it is almost 2006 and Ohio State was running QB Sweeps?? Bucks had their chances to blow this open but Tressel played for FG's and he deserved to lose this game and hope he learns that that is loser football. Not enjoyable to watch either. Vince Young stepped up when he had too, but still don't see this kid as an NFL QB--he's a great athlete and college QB but doesn't read defenses at all and despite the hype ABC was blowing up his rear, his game doesn't translate to NFL at all as a QB--can't read coverages and his low throwing motion is a disaster waiting to happen. Fun to watch play though. Unfortunately I think the Ohio State game proved most of your points above. Agree the game wasn't particularly fun to watch (at least until UT's final drive). The offense did not look particularly good, Vince's INTs occured because of bad decisions with the football, and as always there were some questionable calls by Greg "we must throw a screen pass on the first play from scrimmage every Saturday" Davis. Have to give Davis some credit, though, for going with what worked instead of sticking to getting eaten up by OSU's linebackers on the run. Chizik's defense did look good, and I loved the call on the play that resulted in the safety. Vince is getting all the credit for the win in the national and local press, but the credit should really be going to the Texas D, who hung in there despite having to play on its own side of the field for most of the night, and Jim Tressel, whose conservative play-calling was Schottenheimer-like. Unfortunately, with Oklahoma's struggles against Tulsa yesterday (and TCU losing to SMU), a lot of people down here are already looking past October 8, which is probably a big mistake. As much as I'd like to start hyping the 'Horns, I won't until they break the OU losing streak. Having said all that, it was pretty nice to see the UT tower glowing orange last night. Didn't go downtown but I hear Sixth Street was nuts. Hope Iowa gets Tate back soon. It would be fun to see them make some noise in the Big Ten, especially since that conference appears to be wide-open this season. Didn't get a chance to catch the 'Canes game on Labor Day due to travel, but everyone I've talked to said they should've won. Looks to be an interesting football season, what with all the shockers and near-upsets in the first two weeks. Should be fun. EDIT: Also should add that I hope Mack Brown and DeLoss Dodds realize what a great game this was and how much both schools and players benefitted from the media frenzy this game created. I mean, the NFL stock of AJ Hawk and Bobby Carpenter is going through the roof with Musberger comparing the former to Chris Spielman. And Texas is now a frontrunner for Pasadena. Not to mention that this game completely energized the fan base for the remainder of the season (something which usually doesn't happen until the OU game). Texas should follow Ohio State's lead and set up more big non-conference games in the future.
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Post by RDF on Sept 12, 2005 0:04:13 GMT -5
Hey, call it like I see it and as a Miami fan, Canes choked against FSU--and that FSU team SUCKS this year. That is worst FSU offense I've seen and yes, I've witnessed the Chris Rix "era". In many ways it resembled the game last night between the Horns and Buckeyes where Canes had numerous chances to win the game and blow it open and self destructed or played not to win--Grandpa Clappy aka Coker is too nice and allows the same mistakes over and over it's maddening. Only positive is that Miami has a QB---Kyle Wright played excellent and he was hammered all game--OL gave up 9 sacks and he was brutalized numerous other times as well.
Horns showed heart on defense and did a nice job of messing with Troy Smith and fooling him. They could've easily folded after the Buckeyes forced those turnovers and that near safety by Taylor on Kickoff return was almost disasterous, but you have to win games like this to get in a Championship position and if certain breaks go your way, you can get a favorable matchup in Pasadena--aka facing a Va Tech team, or some other team that's okay but a good matchup for your Horns. I think USC would throttle Texas for same reasons they did OU last year,but I think that about any team they face that isn't used to facing complex offenses and while I like Michael Huff a lot, not sold on if Horns DB's could hang with Trojans passing attack.
I'm just hoping UM can beat Clemson--that's how low Clappy has most Cane fans. Season is on line this week with Clemson game--if Canes win, they can sneak back up polls due to teams ahead of them playing each other and controlling destiny--UM will play Va Tech and possibly FSU in rematch if needed--although I see them losing at least 3 games this year due to inept offense.
Wish you luck and congrats on the win!
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Post by the_way on Sept 12, 2005 8:15:11 GMT -5
That FSU-Miami game, man. Both teams didn't seem like they wanted to win the game. Kyle Wright played like I expected. First big game against Florida St., you would expect him to struggle a little bit, especially early. But, he got better as time went on. Guys were dropping passes, etc. I think Kyle is going to be a good one. He just needs to get more experience. These two teams shouldn't play at the beginning of the year. Its like a preseason game. A lot of sloppy play and lack of cohesion. And damn, FSU ahs yet to find a decent QB that can play and doesn't gamble in over 5 years. Oh yeah, FSU's cornerbacks could not cover any of the Miami receivers. They were burning them like toast the whole game. I actually like Miami's defense and the receivers. I think they have reloaded pretty good this year. Yeah, Coker is "mr. conservative" when it comes to play-calling, etc. I don't think he is as great of recruiter as Butch Davis was, but the team has Coker's resolve. Miami rarely gets rattled and are never out of game when they get behind.
Bobby Bowden is a horrible coach. He will always get great athletes, but his clock, game management, and strategy are horrendous. And his disiciples can't do any better. What about his son's play-calling down at the goal-line against Miami. That was terrible. What about N.C. State losing to VA tech. Or Georgia barely squeezing out a victory, at home, against a far less talented Steve Spurrier coached South Carolina team. His son at Clemson is always on the hot seat every year for losing his job. Unblievable. Oh yeah, Notre Dame better get a reality check. The beat a terrible Pitt team coached by an even more terrible coach in Dave Wandstett , and they beat way overrated Michigan team. Does Michigan even have an offense. It doesn't even seem like it after that game. Nice wins, but lets get real here Notre Dame. If you are still undefeated by the time you play USC and give them a hard time, then I will be a believer.
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