SoCalHoya
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Post by SoCalHoya on Dec 14, 2006 16:38:28 GMT -5
My old roommates were varsity swimmers, and I'm sure they're doing backflips over this news. They really were unhappy with BB. Maybe now they'll donate (more)
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Post by R Street Hoya on Dec 14, 2006 16:46:27 GMT -5
I know the diving kids do well academically (really well!). I'm not sure about the swimming kids but assuming that they also do, does that affect some sort of athlete GPA index that we are ranked on? Yes, the swimming team as whole (including divers) does well (or at least did well). The team was awarded Academic all american status or something like that every semester. I think at one point they had the 3rd or 4th highest team GPA for D-I swimming.
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Post by reformation on Dec 14, 2006 20:31:48 GMT -5
Seems like a change was due: the AD seems to have made very good choices for new coaches--maybe swimming can improve itself like the tennis team seems to have done. I don't think that competing at a high D1 level is realistic for the sport, though being somewhat competitive with the Ivies, e.g., should be a more realistic goal
I wouldn't give the coaches to much credit for GPA's in this situation--they really don't have much to do with it--Also using GPA's, without knowing the details of courses, recruited vs walk on's etc is pretty tough to make much use of for comparative purposes(Gtwn also suffers quite a bit from grade inflation). The GPA argument seems like a poor excuse to justify keeping a non performer-
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Post by hoya4ever on Dec 14, 2006 21:01:48 GMT -5
Not justifying keeping her in any way. If anything it is a miracle the kids performed the way they did academically. But I totally agree that the AD wants to see change and I'm surprised that she lasted this long because he has been here for a while and the team has not changed during that time.
I am of the opinion that Georgetown does not have grade inflation, but even if it did, they are still outperforming other athletes and other students. Was it on hoyatalk that I read that athletes' GPA was not as low as people think? Besides, they take classes open to the entire community and that makes others be able to have the same "easy" classes as well.
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Post by R Street Hoya on Dec 14, 2006 22:49:35 GMT -5
The team doesn't get much preference in the admissions process and they aren't getting preference for scheduling classes. So I don't know what having the details of recruited swimmers vs. walk-ons or the classes they take would do, since they went through the same admissions process and had to scramble to get into classes in their major just like everyone else.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 15, 2006 9:02:06 GMT -5
My old roommates were varsity swimmers, and I'm sure they're doing backflips over this news. They really were unhappy with BB. Maybe now they'll donate (more) I lived with swimmers as well, and the ones I've talked to are quite happy about it.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 16, 2006 22:31:26 GMT -5
Seems like a change was due: the AD seems to have made very good choices for new coaches--maybe swimming can improve itself like the tennis team seems to have done. These may all be good personnel choices but the fall team sports records outside of basketball this year are not good. There are a lot of factors beyond coaching in these numbers but no Georgetown fall sport was above .500 this year and all of these sports finished well out of conference play.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Dec 17, 2006 20:31:42 GMT -5
Seems like a change was due: the AD seems to have made very good choices for new coaches--maybe swimming can improve itself like the tennis team seems to have done. These may all be good personnel choices but the fall team sports records outside of basketball this year are not good. There are a lot of factors beyond coaching in these numbers but no Georgetown fall sport was above .500 this year and all of these sports finished well out of conference play. Fall is a weird season for tennis, with some of its competition team oriented and other matches being just individual, but men's tennis had a pretty strong fall, especially considering how they've faired the past couple seasons. They won both their dual matches, beating GW and Delaware and had solid individual results elsewhere, so I think you could say that men's tennis, led by new Head Coach Gordie Ernst had a really solid season. We'll know a lot more in the spring though, for sure.
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Post by Oh My! on Dec 18, 2006 17:01:31 GMT -5
Well, these new fall coaches (& Muir) hires did not impress:
Brian Wiese--MSOC--worst record in my memory and not even a sniff of Tourney play; 13 of 14 Big East Tourney appearances under the previous coach.
Kevin Kelly--FB--2-9 with no Patriot League wins; '05-'06 team was 4-7 with 2 Conference wins.
Arlisa Hagan--VB--8-19 with 2-11 Big East mark; '05-'06 team was as bad, if not worse, but still not an impressive showing for a fully-funded program.
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Dec 18, 2006 18:07:17 GMT -5
The swim team has always done well academically, swimming and diving are the same sport as far as the NCAA is concerned. Also, I know recent alum are happy about the move. Georgetown is located in DC a hotbed of swimming and can have a better team than it has had. Hopefully the interm coach, Steve Cartwright, can build up the program. This past season, the mens team has the minimum number of swimmers a D1 swim team is allowed to have. It definitely was time for the coaching change. That being said, if the athletic department decides to go outside the program for its new coach, there are a bunch of great club coaches in the area. Kirby Weldon, Bob Walker, Rick Curl, etc. I'm not sure if GTown could draw any of those coaches, or that they would end up doing a better job than Steve Cartwright, but Georgetown ought to look into it.
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Post by R Street Hoya on Dec 22, 2006 0:34:37 GMT -5
Also, I know recent alum are happy about the move. Not sure if you speak for all recent alums. Happy about the move might be overstating things a little bit. Was a change inevitable? Yes. Is a change good for the team? Yes. Does the change mid season seem to make much sense? No. Especially given the fact that most of the reasons cited as supporting the change (team morale, recruiting, dwindling team size, etc.) haven't changed much since the start of the year. If they are reasons for a change now, they should have been reasons for a change then. Overall, it looks like the athletic department dropped the ball somewhere. As you stated though, there's alot of potential for the athletic department to significantly improve the the team in the future through the next head coach. Hopefully they'll do a good job on that.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Dec 22, 2006 1:45:49 GMT -5
Also, I know recent alum are happy about the move. Not sure if you speak for all recent alums. Happy about the move might be overstating things a little bit. Was a change inevitable? Yes. Is a change good for the team? Yes. Does the change mid season seem to make much sense? No. Especially given the fact that most of the reasons cited as supporting the change (team morale, recruiting, dwindling team size, etc.) haven't changed much since the start of the year. If they are reasons for a change now, they should have been reasons for a change then. Overall, it looks like the athletic department dropped the ball somewhere. I know I've done this in this thread just as much as the next guy, but this post operates under the assumption that her resignation wasn't really a resignation. The official announcement was that it was Bower's decision to go now, and despite what friends and current/former swimmers may say behind closed doors, I think we have to take a 13-year coaching veteran at her word...right?
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Post by R Street Hoya on Dec 22, 2006 10:33:14 GMT -5
Fair enough. excluding my sentence about the Athletic Department, my comment still stands. All the reasons that were put forth in this thread as being a good cause for the coach to choose to resign haven't changed much since the start of the season. So the timing of the decision, whoever made it, is still pretty bad.
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Jan 13, 2007 15:21:17 GMT -5
R Street Hoya, team morale was down this year. If you look at the team make up, the remaining juniors quit during the season, and one of the female captains quit. Those might have been some of the factors that led to the midseason change. Also, a number of posters have questioned the swim team's ability to compete in the big east. A new coach could make a huge difference in that realm. The Potomac Valley is the thickest swimming region in the country with both Curl Burke and RMSC representing two of the top club programs in the country. Even without adding scholarships, a good coach ought to be able to recruit swimmers who will have Bi East cuts at the least, and probably a fair amount of swimmers with open cuts. A Georgetown degree is worth more to many families in the area than a scholarship to American or George Mason.
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Post by R Street Hoya on Jan 20, 2007 17:44:40 GMT -5
H2Oya, I'm sorry, but you are way off base with the comment about the girl's team captain. Obviously the reason has no place on this board, but you know why, and anyone who knows last year's team knows why.
In response to the rest of your comment, I've already agreed a new coach could potentially have a huge impact on improving the team. In the same way hiring Bower years ago did. Despite this year's results, the improvements from the time she took over are huge.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Jan 20, 2007 20:54:54 GMT -5
The tennis team definetly showed solid improvement in the fall. The early spring will be really tough because we'll be playing teams who have traditionally beaten us. We already have wins over GW, Del and Campbell with a loss to East Carolina. Tomorrow we play East Tenn State and Richmond (both pretty strong particularly ESTU) so i guess we'll see where we stand. Still, every guy playing is a non senior and #2 and #3 are freshman so the future looks bright.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Jan 22, 2007 10:11:59 GMT -5
A split for Georgetown tennis. A victory over Richmond, who we lost to last season, and a loss to nationally ranked East Tennessee State. Solid showing at the VCU Invitational.
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