Dear Lord Our President is STUPID

[TigerHoya]

Don't forget the Dole meltdown in '88 on national TV around the time of New Hampshire - the whole "stop lying about my record" thing.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

Dole also recently got a face lift. Not that I really care - if he wants to feel sexy and is getting jealous of his successor Sam Brownback's replacement of Alan Keys/Bauer as crazy Republican not getting more than 4% of the primary vote in any state, then he should do what makes him happy.

[EasyEd]

So Brownback's a "crazy Republican". Who's next on the name-calling list?

[HealyHoya]

Santorum.

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"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey. And you killed Jesus."

[kchoya]

stpetersburghoya said:

Dole also recently got a face lift. Not that I really care - if he wants to feel sexy and is getting jealous of his successor Sam Brownback's replacement of Alan Keys/Bauer as crazy Republican not getting more than 4% of the primary vote in any state, then he should do what makes him happy.

What makes Brownback a "crazy" Republican? Having worked for the guy, I'm curious.

[hoyarooter]

Some people probably think that "crazy" and "Republican" are synonyms. I don't subscribe to that...entirely. ;D

[EasyEd]

I'd rather hear what Brownback says rather than what the "right wing" Rolling Stone said about him.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

kchoya said:

stpetersburghoya said:

Dole also recently got a face lift. Not that I really care - if he wants to feel sexy and is getting jealous of his successor Sam Brownback's replacement of Alan Keys/Bauer as crazy Republican not getting more than 4% of the primary vote in any state, then he should do what makes him happy.

What makes Brownback a "crazy" Republican? Having worked for the guy, I'm curious.

OK. If we're pulling the "I worked for so-and-so" card - I worked for Sen. Don Nickles when he was Assistant Majority Leader - he referred to Brownback as "bat- insance" once.

I'm referring to the guy getting himself locked into a jail over-night so he can "understand" the problems with the American justice system. Maybe after that he can fire a gun so he can understand military issues.

[AustinHoya03]

stpetersburghoya said:

kchoya said:

What makes Brownback a "crazy" Republican? Having worked for the guy, I'm curious.

OK. If we're pulling the "I worked for so-and-so" card - I worked for Sen. Don Nickles when he was Assistant Majority Leader - he referred to Brownback as "bat-Edited insance" once.

You know, Brownback reminds me a bit of another Senator...one that the people of Oklahoma chose to replace your former boss. Are over 50% of Okies guano crazy as well?

[jerseyhoya34]

Tom Coburn strikes me as more "out there" than Brownback, who hasn't been associated with the kinds of weirdo zingers that Coburn has come up with.

Wikipedia attributes some quotes to Coburn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Coburn) that are just weird -- i.e. how in the world did some of this become a topic of discussion? Things like how silicone implants are healthy and how the showing of Schindler's List on network tv is unacceptable.

Brownback, on the other hand, has struck me as a dignified representative of the Republican wing of the Republican Party. That can't be said for Alan Keyes, who has claimed to know how Jesus would vote. Looking at Wikipedia -- He's willing to question wide-spread application of the death penalty as a "culture of life" issue, which is more than we can say about some ad hoc pro-lifers (or, more appropriately, anti-choice politicians). For examples of this, note responses to this news article (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/04/national/main2329468.shtml) and compare to responses to things along the lines of Janet Jackson's exposed nipple. I suspect the relative silence will be deafening.

That said, I would currently characterize Brownback as a "marginal" candidate in the 2008 race, which is grounds for comparison to Bauer and Alan Keyes. Brownback is not polling out of the single digits, and he has a ways to go to be on the same footing as McCain, Giuliani, etc. in the money race. There is likely room for a "Santorum" conservative in that group along the lines of Brownback, but where will that oxygen come from if McCain can establish himself as the "establishment guy," which, i believe he's expected to do?

Also worth considering is whether it is wise to nominate a true believer (in either party) when it seems as though POTUS elections without incumbents have been won in the middle in recent memory.

[kchoya]

stpetersburghoya said:

kchoya said:

What makes Brownback a "crazy" Republican? Having worked for the guy, I'm curious.

OK. If we're pulling the "I worked for so-and-so" card - I worked for Sen. Don Nickles when he was Assistant Majority Leader - he referred to Brownback as "bat-Edited insance" once.

I'm referring to the guy getting himself locked into a jail over-night so he can "understand" the problems with the American justice system. Maybe after that he can fire a gun so he can understand military issues.

Not pulling any cards (heck that was 10+ years ago), just curious what others think of him, especially someone who would call him a "crazy Republican." I've always viewed Brownback as someone who has looked to go below the surface of some important/big issues - foreign policy included. He may be among the conservative members of Congress, but I don't think he's some ultra-far-right wack job.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

FWIW, I think Coburn is not only crazy - he's also lazy and dishonest. The video of him not paying attention and filling out a cross-word puzzle during a committee hearing would have lost most congressmen their job (ask one time presidential hopeful George Allen about the power of viral video), but not in Oklahoma apparently. As someone who changed my voting registration to Virginia after realizing voting democrat in Oklahoma is like peeing in the ocean - I can proudly say that I never voted for the guy.

[EasyEd]

Everybody in Oklahoma is stupid!

[HoyaNyr320]

stpetersburghoya said:

FWIW, I think Coburn is not only crazy - he's also lazy and dishonest. The video of him not paying attention and filling out a cross-word puzzle during a committee hearing would have lost most congressmen their job (ask one time presidential hopeful George Allen about the power of viral video), but not in Oklahoma apparently. As someone who changed my voting registration to Virginia after realizing voting democrat in Oklahoma is like peeing in the ocean - I can proudly say that I never voted for the guy.

Senator Coburn was not up for re-election this year. He was elected in 2004 and will be up for re-election in 2010. At that point there may be more viral video than the one of him doing a crossword puzzle during a confirmation hearing.

[AustinHoya03]

jerseyhoya34 said:

Tom Coburn strikes me as more "out there" than Brownback, who hasn't been associated with the kinds of weirdo zingers that Coburn has come up with.

Brownback, on the other hand, has struck me as a dignified representative of the Republican wing of the Republican Party.

Yeah, I don't really think the two are identical either. I was just trying to get a response out of SPH.

FWIW, I don't know if either Coburn or Brownback is "crazy" or a bad senator. As kchoya's comments indicate, oftentimes media perceptions (a.k.a. media seizing on dumb quotes) of elected officials mask individuals who run effective offices and genuinely care about their constituents and the nation.

[HoyaInsomniac]

healyhoya said:

Santorum.

Absolutely.