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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 29, 2006 16:29:02 GMT -5
So I was listening to CNN in the background while working on summer clerkship applications when I heard the following:
There was a tornado warning in the area of Crawford, Texas. This means that there is a tornado on the ground. Normally people seek shelter in underground shelters, internal closets on the lowest floor of their home, or in special reinforced safe rooms. Mr. Bush however sought cover in his armored car.
FWIW, A car is the worst place that a person can be in the face of a tornado. Perhaps the fake Texan didn't know that.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 29, 2006 16:41:10 GMT -5
Amen, StPete.
Who on CNN called Bush a "fake Texan?" That sounds more like something Stewart or Olbermann would say.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 29, 2006 17:23:09 GMT -5
There was a tornado warning in the area of Crawford, Texas. This means that there is a tornado on the ground. Normally people seek shelter in underground shelters, internal closets on the lowest floor of their home, or in special reinforced safe rooms. Mr. Bush however sought cover in his armored car. FWIW, A car is the worst place that a person can be in the face of a tornado. Perhaps the fake Texan didn't know that. In Texas, a tornado warning means that a tornado has been spotted, which may or may not be on the ground. However, almost no homes in Texas have basements or "safe rooms". What CNN apaprently didn't say, but that the local CBS station did, was that a shelter was built on the premises that could hold entire cars, which is where the car was driven to in lieu of staying in the house. No big deal--but that's not exciting enough for CNN to post "BREAKING NEWS!" about it. Let's be fair on this--presidents or other high level folks simply do what they are told by the Secret Service when it comes to protection, however odd it may seem to the rest of us. If this was Bill Clinton sitting in a car during a thunderstorm, the same would apply. (FWIW, there's a tornado warning just announced 25-30 miles from where I type this and there's no panic on the streets. Then again, I'm on the second floor of a building and will be on the road within a half hour.)
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 29, 2006 19:40:06 GMT -5
That's interesting - north of the Red River most new homes are built with either a shelter or a safe room.
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 29, 2006 20:17:47 GMT -5
I'm amazed SPH that you know so much more about this than the President, himself; and that you would call him stupid without knowing the full story. Is it possible you might take back your comments?
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 29, 2006 20:33:16 GMT -5
I'm amazed SPH that you know so much more about this than the President, himself; and that you would call him stupid without knowing the full story. Is it possible you might take back your comments? Nope he's still stupid. I also have back up evidence: Iraq New Orleans The Texas Rangers I'm standing by my comment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2006 20:41:09 GMT -5
Nope he's still stupid. I also have back up evidence: Iraq New Orleans The Texas Rangers I'm standing by my comment. Don't forget: Nuculur. That is all.
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Post by TigerHoya on Dec 29, 2006 20:56:02 GMT -5
Just wait until he replaces Selig in '09, SPH.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 30, 2006 0:13:43 GMT -5
Nope he's still stupid. I also have back up evidence: Iraq New Orleans The Texas Rangers I'm standing by my comment. Don't forget: Nuculur. That is all. politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushdumbquotes.htmNothing like getting it right from the horse's mouth (or whatever particular part of the horse's anatomy it happens to come from). As my mom -- a third grade educator and Teacher of the Year at her school last year -- said, "what kind of example does it set for our kids to get a good education when our president can't even pronounce a simple three syllable word?" (in reference to "nuclear/nucular").
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 30, 2006 10:11:28 GMT -5
I'm old enough to remember Jimmy Carter, who specialized in nuclear propulsion at the Naval Academy, pronounced it the same way Bush does.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2006 11:55:18 GMT -5
I'm old enough to remember Jimmy Carter, who specialized in nuclear propulsion at the Naval Academy, pronounced it the same way Bush does. Then they're both dopes.
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Post by HealyHoya on Jan 2, 2007 18:31:21 GMT -5
Leader of the Freer World.
Discuss:
10) "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." —LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000
9) "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." —Greater Nashua, N.H., Jan. 27, 2000
8) "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." —second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004
7) "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." —Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000
6) "You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb.
5) "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004
4) "They misunderestimated me." —Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000
3) "Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" —Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000
2) "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
1) "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 2, 2007 18:55:56 GMT -5
Leader of the Freer World. Discuss: Sounds like you have a beef with Michael Gerson, not George Bush. And since every president since Harding has employed full time speechwiters, almost nothing of what comes from a President in public, even in debate, is not vetted through some sort of speechwriter or spin doctor. (Nixon's tapes, of course, are another story.) The shame is that politicans of both parties are so micromanaged. Bob Dole once proposed that in lieu of formal debates in 1992, he and Gov. Clinton should travel on a bus together, tour the countryside, eat meals together, and hold ad hoc debates in whatever town they stopped in, a la Lincoln and Douglas. Camapaign officials, once they started breathing again, quickly quashed such a concept.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 2, 2007 19:08:59 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 2, 2007 23:26:02 GMT -5
Yes, it was 1996, apologies.
It's unfortunate that politics is so micromanaged these days that elections are judged not by what people say but by presumed gaffes. It was a misstep in the 1990 Texas govenor's race that changed the course of history.
In that race, Republican candidate Clayton Williams refused a handshake by Ann Richards at a luncheon, and the resultant press probably cost Williams the election. Four years later, with no good candidates who would contest Richards, the GOP looked outside the political base to the 48 year old majority partner of the Texas Rangers, who had no political experience but was seen as an up-and-comer versus Richards. So if Williams wins in 1990, GWB probably stays in baseball. Go figure.
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Post by Boz on Jan 3, 2007 9:35:18 GMT -5
Christopher Hitchens would have something to say about this thread.
I, on the other hand, do not.
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Post by HealyHoya on Jan 3, 2007 9:57:52 GMT -5
Leader of the Freer World. Discuss: Sounds like you have a beef with Michael Gerson, not George Bush. And since every president since Harding has employed full time speechwiters, almost nothing of what comes from a President in public, even in debate, is not vetted through some sort of speechwriter or spin doctor. Wait, you're asserting that the Top-10 list above are statements that were written by W's speech writers? Perhaps I misunderstand your post. Modern political campaigns certainly have there inanities but Michael Gerson, a rather talented writer, had absolutely nothing to do with the mangled statements above. I voted for W once; I am not a hard core leftie. Nevertheless, the guy hacks apart the language with a consistency and degree of unintended (but inescapable) humor the likes of which we have not seen since Yogi Berra (...and no, I'm not 75 years old). Beat ND
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jan 3, 2007 11:18:39 GMT -5
Wow, this might be one of the few hijacked threads that's getting better as it goes!
Ed -- CNN is stupid too, no doubt about it.
DFW -- It is a shame that politics is so micromanaged. Do you think that's a result of public expectations about how politicians should look and sound, or the way the media increasingly relies on sound bites and missteps to "report" on the political scene, or some combination?
Dux -- I think that's an important distinction. I also think a good command of the English language is important -- nay, should be a basic qualification -- for any leader, political or otherwise, and a lack thereof should also cost them votes, though probably not on the same level as lapses in judgment.
"Nucular" is one thing: sad and irritating, but forgivable. The other gaffes are embarrassing and work to hurt our standing abroad, which - say what you will - does count for something, if not votes at home.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 3, 2007 16:44:14 GMT -5
In 1996, Senator Dole ran against President Clinton... unless you were thinking of something else from 1992? Dole had absolutely nothing to lose in the '96 campaign -- he was in a deep hole from the day he accepted the GOP nomination -- and Clinton had nothing to gain, so it wouldn't surprise me if Dole proposed something unorthodox. Even more to the point, our then-president and then-senate majority leader probably had some more important things to do than travel around together, dining and debating here and there. Ha, that reminds me of Governor Clinton and Mister Bush from 1992. Dole made a point of bringing that slight up in the 1996 debates, something I never understood. BTW, Dole resigned as Majority leader once he locked up the nomination.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 3, 2007 16:50:18 GMT -5
In that race, Republican candidate Clayton Williams refused a handshake by Ann Richards at a luncheon, and the resultant press probably cost Williams the election. Four years later, with no good candidates who would contest Richards, the GOP looked outside the political base to the 48 year old majority partner of the Texas Rangers, who had no political experience but was seen as an up-and-comer versus Richards. So if Williams wins in 1990, GWB probably stays in baseball. Go figure. Well, it wasn't just the handshake. During that race, Williams also remarked that bad weather is like rape: "as long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it." I can't remember how much of his own money Williams spent on that race, but it was a Tony Sanchez-size amount. EDIT: A visit to Wikipedia reveals Williams also "urged Hispanics to support his candidacy because he met [his wife] Modesta in a Mexican restaurant." Hadn't heard that one before.
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