hifigator
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Post by hifigator on Jul 26, 2006 14:36:36 GMT -5
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Post by badgerhoya on Jul 27, 2006 8:51:40 GMT -5
Wait -- you honestly believe that she wasn't "crazy"? I don't consider that to be gaming the system.
Not only that, but if I'm not mistaken, her lawyers came out and said that if she could have pled "guilty by reason of insanity", she would have done so at the very beginning. Unfortunately, Texas law doesn't permit that.
She's a very sick and disturbed individual, who will likely be spending the rest of her life in a mental institution. I can't see how that's a true reprieve.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 27, 2006 9:03:43 GMT -5
If this is anyone's fault its the state's - the burden was on them in this trial and they screwed up twice. First they had someone knowingly give false testimony in the first trial and then knowing what the evidence would be through having gone through discovery and the trial once before they couldn't convince a jury that she wasn't insane.
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Post by hifigator on Jul 27, 2006 14:51:06 GMT -5
Badger, I didn't mean to imply that I thought she was sane. I wasn't saying that she fooled the system, I just think the system sucks. I think that anyone who could kill their own children, especially in such a horrific way IS insane. I just think that's still not an excuse.
Questions:
Does anyone know if the law preventing convicted criminals from profitting from their crimes applies if they were ruled "not guilty?"
And, what are the chances that she "recovers" and is determined to be "sane" in several years?
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jul 27, 2006 14:52:47 GMT -5
Geez, hifi, what did you want? For her to stand up and admit both guilt and non-craziness in the courtroom? For the judge to throw out the jury verdict and sentence Yates to immediate death by firing squad in the alley behind the Harris County Courthouse? Yates is going to be removed from society for the rest of her life, and if you've ever seen a MHMR facility in Texas, you'd know it's pretty much like jail. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to want some sort of retributive punishment for someone four states away that offended your delicate sensibilities. And as far as blame goes, it's tough to "blame" the state's arguments at trial. It's the pretrial stuff that really handicapped the prosecutors. |
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Post by hifigator on Jul 27, 2006 15:20:54 GMT -5
Firing squad would be fine. Tying her to a railroad track would work as well.
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 27, 2006 15:25:53 GMT -5
It's a reasonable assumption that Yates will not spend the rest of her life "removed from society". It seems to me that most people eventually convince judges they are not a threat and are released. Or some mini-release, like John Hinckley.
A further nit-pick - it's not the prosecution's job to prove she is not insane; rather it's the defense's job to prove she is.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jul 27, 2006 19:19:05 GMT -5
It's a reasonable assumption that Yates will not spend the rest of her life "removed from society". It seems to me that most people eventually convince judges they are not a threat and are released. Or some mini-release, like John Hinckley. ed, we elect our district judges in Texas. For Yates to be released from a mental facility, the 230th District Court has to sign off on it. For Judge Hill or her successor to sign off on Yates' release, her non-craziness would have to be very, very well documented. Otherwise, okaying Yates' release would be career suicide. Could it happen? Sure. But I don't know if there's a "reasonable assumption," particularly because I don't think anyone who has a history of killing children in an attempt to save their souls will ever be found sane enough to live in our civil society. If she is released, I will want to see extensive documentation, and I will want her observed. Maybe I'm misreading your above statement, but it seems to me you are implying Yates, John Hinckley, and "most people" aren't actually insane. If that's the case, what is your basis for saying so? |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jul 27, 2006 19:20:25 GMT -5
Firing squad would be fine. Tying her to a railroad track would work as well. I know a place you might enjoy living. It is called Saudi Arabia. |
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 28, 2006 8:59:50 GMT -5
Austin - I did not say nor imply that Yates or Hinckley were not insane. What I did say was that it's a reasonable assumption that she will not spend the rest of her life removed from society. I don't care if you elect judges or they are appointed by the Pope, my guess is that, 20-30 years from now, Yates will be free. You may not agree with that but I believe it's a reasonable assumption.
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Post by hifigator on Jul 28, 2006 15:33:11 GMT -5
Firing squad would be fine. Tying her to a railroad track would work as well. I know a place you might enjoy living. It is called Saudi Arabia. The difference is that they might stone you for having your head uncovered. That is a far cry from killing anyone ... let alone your own five children don't you think? In any case, if they would axe her in Saudi Arabia then good for them. Maybe we could actually learn something there.... hmm... |
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