EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 8, 2006 9:49:41 GMT -5
I'm sure all will join me in paying tribute to all who were involved in the bombing that killed Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, Sheik Abdul Rahman and the other deputies. I say a well done to Bush who had overall responsibility, the State Department for working to foster relations with Jordan who provided intelligence information, the locals including some in Al-Zarqawi's network who also provided intelligence, our intelligence services who fostered the sources and who collected the intelligence, the Defense Department for overall planning responsibility for the mission, and, of course, the pilots, crew and support troops in the air and on the ground who actually performed the mission.
Well done.
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Post by Boz on Jun 8, 2006 10:35:09 GMT -5
Second that, easy.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 8, 2006 20:04:57 GMT -5
I'm sure all will join me in paying tribute to all who were involved in the bombing that killed Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, Sheik Abdul Rahman and the other deputies. I say a well done to Bush who had overall responsibility, the State Department for working to foster relations with Jordan who provided intelligence information, the locals including some in Al-Zarqawi's network who also provided intelligence, our intelligence services who fostered the sources and who collected the intelligence, the Defense Department for overall planning responsibility for the mission, and, of course, the pilots, crew and support troops in the air and on the ground who actually performed the mission. Well done. A clap here as well. I have a brother in law who is former special forces, and I've heard him talk of the difficulties of a mission like this (nothing specific, obviously, just generally how hard it is).
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 8, 2006 21:15:49 GMT -5
Concur. It's nice that something good finally came out of this mess.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 9, 2006 19:10:36 GMT -5
I find it amazing that all of you who don't hesitate to pile on when something goes wrong in Iraq are almost completely silent when something goes right. Is it that hard to say "well done"?
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Post by Nitrorebel on Jun 9, 2006 19:26:12 GMT -5
I find it amazing how some people that don't hesitate to back Bush on Iraq never see the complete story, even when there are major news outlets reporting it. From Howard Kurtz's Media Notes: Washington Monthly blogger Steve Benen goes into the archives: "One relevant angle to this story, however, that has not been emphasized (or even mentioned) by most news outlets this morning is that Zarqawi could have been taken out years ago, on several occasions, but Bush decided not to strike. " NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself -- but never pulled the trigger. "In June 2002, U.S. officials say intelligence had revealed that Zarqawi and members of al-Qaida had set up a weapons lab at Kirma, in northern Iraq, producing deadly ricin and cyanide. The Pentagon quickly drafted plans to attack the camp with cruise missiles and airstrikes and sent it to the White House, where, according to U.S. government sources, the plan was debated to death in the National Security Council . . . "This NBC report was later confirmed by the Wall Street Journal and Australian journalists who got on-the-record comments from the former head of the CIA's Osama bin Laden unit. "So, while it's no doubt good news that Zarqawi is no more, it's worth remembering that Bush wasn't willing to hit this known al-Qaeda terrorist in a known location based on air-tight intelligence before the war even began." www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100587.html
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jun 12, 2006 11:50:10 GMT -5
I find it amazing that all of you who don't hesitate to pile on when something goes wrong in Iraq are almost completely silent when something goes right. Is it that hard to say "well done"? This unapologetic war critic did not have Internet for the better part of the week and weekend. Obviously, the death of Zarqawi is a welcome development and will hopefully erode Al Qaeda's network in Iraq. The WH's reaction was appropriate given how former announced "turning points"* rarely led to favorable outcomes. *Among these "turning points" are the capture of Saddam Hussein, the deaths of Uday and Qusay Hussein, the "Mission Accomplished" banner moment, and others...
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 12, 2006 18:48:10 GMT -5
Nitro and Jersey - we have come to call those that offer comments like yours "but monkeys". To use your comments: "So while it's no doubt good news that Zarqawi is no more........". and "Obviously, the death of Zarqawi is a welcome development....." In substance you say "it's nice BUT...." with the accent on the "but". It would be nice if you could accept good news for what it is and not concentrate on the "but". The number one terrorist in Iraq has been eliminated. That's good news.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jun 12, 2006 19:20:57 GMT -5
Isn't it nice to have labels and names for people who you don't know? Perhaps that is how you process and package information, but I tend to think positions are best conveyed with nuance. If that makes me X, Y, or Z, I could care less.
I do take issue with you calling people out as if your position is the standard by which patriotic discourse should be measured. We all care deeply about this country and the course of this war. Saying X or not saying X is not a measure of whether we care, whether we are "real Americans," or what we want but whether we agree with you, as you seem to be asking us to give additional weight to the positive news. Your calling out of war critics was issued in the context of an ongoing debate on this board, so don't be surprised if the responses point to that debate. And they did.
And, for the record, I accept Zarqawi's death as good news and said so. I just didn't agree with the full measure of your sentiments but commented about how the WH's reaction may show that it is learning from its mistakes. In order to make that point credibly, I actually had to mention such mistakes.
Nothing in this war is unequivocally bad or good because, to some extent, Americans top to bottom don't understand the war, the enemy, etc. Indeed, the Al Qaeda group has a new leader in Iraq. It is anyone's guess as to whether he'll be even more brutal than Zarqawi was toward US troops and Iraqi civilians.
Anyway, if I said that I agreed with the full measure of your sentiments when I really didn't, I imagine a board name-caller would come through with the obligatory "Yes Man" reference.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 12, 2006 23:17:10 GMT -5
I find it amazing that all of you who don't hesitate to pile on when something goes wrong in Iraq are almost completely silent when something goes right. Is it that hard to say "well done"? Ahem.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 13, 2006 1:11:31 GMT -5
You've got to give the guy credit - he lasted approximately 48 minutes longer than the US men's soccer team.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jun 13, 2006 6:54:43 GMT -5
ZING!
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Post by Nitrorebel on Jun 13, 2006 10:10:55 GMT -5
Ed, the entire reason for this thread was to set up the Karl Rove patriotic BS argument - a beautiful strawman with hat and carrot nose and all. You wait a little while in order to have your triumphant moment: "You all hate America because you're not posting anything." It's a brilliant strategy and actually won the last Presidential election. Just don't ask me to join you in wallowing at this infantile level. I don't need to set up strawmen and go, see, see, you are a bad person.
It would be like me posting about the 3 suicides at Gitmo, waiting for you not to say anything, and then pounce on you as a hater. But see, I don't have time for these kindergarten games. My point if I had started a thread about the 3 suicides would be to discuss Gitmo, not to call someone unpatriotic (not that that means ANYTHING to me in the least, and not just because I'm not American) or but monkeys or other garbage. You should try it some time: you actually have to THINK before writing/talking... name-calling is a lot easier than that I know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2006 11:02:05 GMT -5
I love the reports out today that we did an autopsy, which concluded that al-Zarqawi was not beaten or shot, but died from massive internal injuries consistent with those of a blast victim.
Why does it matter that he wasn't beaten or shot? Why did we even have medics there trying to revive him? I guess you could argue that taking him alive would yield intelligence, but if you want him alive, you should send some special forces in to capture him. Instead we dropped 2 500-pound bombs on the guy. We intended to kill him, and he died. Let the good times roll.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 13, 2006 13:31:51 GMT -5
For those who are interested in the truth, my purpose in initiating this thread was to congratulate all who made it possible to take Al Zarqawi out of the picture. People accuse me of having another agenda in starting it rather than take it for what it says. I did not start it to try to make others appear non-patriotic or other bad things. However, I do wish I had not used the "but monkey" label.
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Post by SoCalHoya on Jun 13, 2006 13:35:20 GMT -5
Good stuff. The humor here and also the successful military strike.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jun 13, 2006 14:11:22 GMT -5
For those who are interested in the truth, my purpose in initiating this thread was to congratulate all who made it possible to take Al Zarqawi out of the picture. People accuse me of having another agenda in starting it rather than take it for what it says. I did not start it to try to make others appear non-patriotic or other bad things. However, I do wish I had not used the "but monkey" label. Ed, the thread-starter is not the post that I was referencing. I referenced clearly your second post in this thread, and your agenda in such post requires no explanation or clarification. This post also undermines the alleged sincerity of the original post in the thread, unfortunately.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 13, 2006 18:14:25 GMT -5
Speaking of name calling!
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