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Post by Cambridge on May 17, 2005 10:56:49 GMT -5
Thank god, the funniest show on TV is coming back in the Fall. I was worried Fox would can it because it was just a touch too clever for them...
Here's to a full third season.
"Illusions, Michael. Tricks are what whores do for money...and cocaine."
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Post by hoya01 on May 18, 2005 1:16:55 GMT -5
Absolutely agree.
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Post by david on May 29, 2005 23:24:46 GMT -5
AD is easily the funniest show on television. Curb Your Enthusiasm on HBO is the only one that comes close.
Can't wait until Season 3.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 5, 2005 22:36:14 GMT -5
AD is hilarious. Coach K commercials come in a 3 way tie with South Park and Family Guy for second place in my book.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2005 8:23:12 GMT -5
Despite apparently jumping the shark a few years ago, The Simpsons is back up there recently. Knowing Family Guy was going to come back (and probably knowing of the emergence of American Dad), the writing has gotten significantly better the last two or three years.
Anyone else a HUGE American Dad fan? American Dad is to Family Guy for Seth McFarlane as Futurama was to Simpsons for Matt Groening - slighty weirder, a bit more preposterous, but funny (in the same way the "parent" show is) nonetheless.
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Post by Cambridge on Jun 10, 2005 11:02:23 GMT -5
The alien & fish characters are pretty damn funny. The rest of them still seem a little cardboard...I'm sure it'll flesh out like family guy did.
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Post by Cambridge on Jun 10, 2005 11:05:05 GMT -5
As for the Simpsons...I'm afraid I don't even bother to TiVo it any more. Not so much that I disagree with you on the recent improvements...but more in spiteful revenge for the drivel they tried to pass off for so long. That was one long desert...a freaking wasteland of poorly constructed plot lines, bad jokes, etc...they tried my patience and now I'm just being stubborn about any kind of return.
Family Guy kicks its ass any day of the week anyways...So I don't really even feel like I'm missing anything.
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Post by thebin on Jun 10, 2005 11:10:27 GMT -5
I guess I am going to have to check out AD. Is it on DVD yet? Cambridge, you meant that you were worried that it might be too clever for network television right, not just Fox? Afterall, the big three seemed to think the Simpson were too clever all those years ago.
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Post by Cambridge on Jun 10, 2005 12:21:51 GMT -5
It is on DVD. I highly recommend a purchase as it is totally rewatchable. Over and over.
AS to your point about Fox/Networks...exactly, network TV was leery that it was too self-involved and confusing for any red staters that might flip to it.
Basically, when the show got chopped last season (they reduced it to a paltry 15 episodes mid-season) many, many, many of the jokes began to focus on the impending and expected cancellation. Hard to explain, but there was a lot of jokes about how a "housing contract had been reduced from the expected 24 to 15...those bastards", as well as images of characters literally jumping over a shark, etc.
I know I'm stereotyping but there was a really great article a while back...in slate maybe...about the "new school" of sitcoms like Scrubs, AD, Family Guy, etc vs old school sitcoms like Everybody Loves Raymond, King of Queens etc...and their audiences, demographics and programming decisions these starkly different shows necessitate. Very interesting. If I can find it I'll post it.
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Post by thebin on Jun 10, 2005 12:24:13 GMT -5
So to be clear, what you are saying is that a smart show can be "too confusing" for red states? Was this even "confirmed" in the blue-as-hell Slate? This is why you lose swing voters.... I can only pray that Howard Dean is kept on to say such things to the national electorate as long as possible. His appointment had to be all Rove's work, right? Brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2005 13:24:38 GMT -5
C'mon 'Bridge... I know you're not going to take that lying down.
Oh yeah bin... what does "Was these" mean?
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Post by thebin on Jun 10, 2005 13:39:16 GMT -5
That was a typo. A brave and witty retort Buf.
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Post by Cambridge on Jun 10, 2005 15:05:56 GMT -5
So to be clear, what you are saying is that a smart show can be "too confusing" for red states? Was this even "confirmed" in the blue-as-hell Slate? This is why you lose swing voters.... I can only pray that Howard Dean is kept on to say such things to the national electorate as long as possible. His appointment had to be all Rove's work, right? Brilliant. Like it or not, the terms "blue states" and "red states" have entered the nation's lexicon and are pretty apt, if broad monikers for the cultural variations throughout the country. Is it elitist to label things blue and red...especially when it comes to high vs low culture? Hell yes. But I didn't start it. I'm merely using the current buzzwords...that both sides love to toss about when it suits them and their agenda. As for why I should be sorry for using such hot terms...well, I missed that part... I guess its alright to be elitist and condescending when you are championing the quaint country charm, wisdom, integrity, values and gumption of those down home Red states over the cynicism and pragmatic relativism of the satanic Blue states... Anyways, I guess what I'm saying is I don't have any problems being a regionalist or elitist anymore, especially after...what...six years of trying to hear myself think over the din of voices calling me a pinko, commie, homo who hates God and everything American because I'm a fiscally conservative, socially liberal moderate who doesn't believe that the government has too much business interfering in the boardroom or the bedroom...silly me how simply un-American I've become...but then again I didn't vote for the "Messiah" and I'm only a WASP who hasn't been born again...so I probably should just shut my mouth and let the "Real" patriots and Americans run the country into the ground shouldn't I. Anyways, back to AD...it is the best show on TV...bar none.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2005 15:23:17 GMT -5
That was a typo. A brave and witty retort Buf. Hey I was just messin' bin. I'm probably guilty of just as many typos around here as anyone. I was just trying to egg 'bridge on, that's all. Nuthin' but love, baby... go Hoyas!
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Post by thebin on Jun 10, 2005 15:36:56 GMT -5
"six years of trying to hear myself think over the din of voices calling me a pinko, commie, homo who hates God and everything American because I'm a fiscally conservative, socially liberal moderate who doesn't believe that the government has too much business interfering in the boardroom or the bedroom...silly me how simply un-American I've become...but then again I didn't vote for the "Messiah" and I'm only a WASP who hasn't been born again...so I probably should just shut my mouth and let the "Real" patriots and Americans run the country into the ground shouldn't I."
See how ridiculous that sounds? Well, you just did the blue state equivalent- calling a smart show "too confusing" for oh, 50% of Americans, parceled by state boundary. From where I stand, stupid television (easily 95% of all network programming) draws equally on the masses in blue states and blue-ish cities. ty shows like Friends for example, if anything, probably do better in blue states and among blue voters. So it wasn't your mere use of the terms blue and red I objected to, but the flagrantly self-serving way in which you went about it. Blue state= smart, red state= real American. Same crap cambridge, why not stay above the din?
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Post by Cambridge on Jun 10, 2005 15:48:26 GMT -5
"six years of trying to hear myself think over the din of voices calling me a pinko, commie, homo who hates God and everything American because I'm a fiscally conservative, socially liberal moderate who doesn't believe that the government has too much business interfering in the boardroom or the bedroom...silly me how simply un-American I've become...but then again I didn't vote for the "Messiah" and I'm only a WASP who hasn't been born again...so I probably should just shut my mouth and let the "Real" patriots and Americans run the country into the ground shouldn't I." See how ridiculous that sounds? Well, you just did the blue state equivalent- calling a smart show "too confusing" for oh, 50% of Americans, parceled by state boundary. From where I stand, stupid television (easily 95% of all network programming) draws equally on the masses in blue states and blue-ish cities. ty shows like Friends for example, if anything, probably do better in blue states and among blue voters. So it wasn't your mere use of the terms blue and red I objected to, but the flagrantly self-serving way in which you went about it. Blue state= smart, red state= real American. Same crap cambridge, why not stay above the din? Because I'm tired of being more mature than the other side...sometime you have to stop turning the cheek and smack back. Time for us to get some god damn backbone.
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Post by Cambridge on Jun 10, 2005 15:52:56 GMT -5
Basically, I'm not a divisive person in general...but I'm tired, just plain tired of one or the other side baiting, baiting and baiting while wrapping itself in the American flag...then turning around and criticising me for reacting whatever they are saying.
Also, it doesn't bode well for any country or political system when people who are moderate are sooooo fed up with both sides attacking them...as I am constantly...that they hope both parties destroy each other in some incredible twist of MADD. God, sometimes you do wish the Dems and the Repubs had a "nuclear" option for each other...
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Post by Cambridge on Jun 10, 2005 16:00:28 GMT -5
On another point, coming from someone who has blasted and ridiculed the restrictions of the "PC" language movement in the past, I find a lot of humor in the fact that you are sounding the alarm in response to "bigoted" or "culturally insensitive" language now...
Paging Mr. Pot...
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Post by thebin on Jun 13, 2005 8:05:19 GMT -5
You have never seen me complaining about "culturally insensitive" language. But you are right, I do think many on the left are flat out bigoted towards Red State voters, and I have never excused bigotry of any kind.
I don't really get what I am supposed to take from your stand here. Basically, you are saying the right has been so, I don't know, annoying to you or childish or dirty that you are going to reciprocate? OK. Knock yourself out. Of course there are some idiots on the right that will question patriotism at the drop of a dime. But they are no more numerous or reflective of the party at large in my experience than the idiots on the left who feel analogies between the Bush White House and say the Third Reich or a Soviet gulag are valid and who fancy themselves modern day Solzhenitsyns for "enduring" such imagined suppresion. In fact, I think the left's idiots are more guilty of a dangerous historical ignorance and reprehensible laziness than are the annoying over-zealous Flag Wavers, but I suppose that's a judgment call.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2005 9:37:30 GMT -5
How did we get to this political brawl from "I'm a failure - I can't even fake the death of a stripper"??
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