|
Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Aug 30, 2007 13:27:04 GMT -5
This sucks because it is just going to move the social scene off campus and really hurt the sense of community at Georgetown in my opinion. The rules and their application so far have been draconian. As a senior living off campus this year it doesn't effect me too much, but sophomores and juniors should not stand for this and take it passively.
|
|
|
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 30, 2007 13:38:46 GMT -5
Sounds like the bad old days of Juan Gon.
|
|
bubbrubbhoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
We are the intuitive minds that plot the course. Woo-WOOO!
Posts: 1,369
|
Post by bubbrubbhoya on Aug 30, 2007 14:59:18 GMT -5
|
|
sead43
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 796
|
Post by sead43 on Aug 30, 2007 15:20:53 GMT -5
thought some of you might be interested to see this e-mail which all current students received at the start of this semester. it generally outlines potential penalties for violations and includes a link to the Code of Conduct which it says has more specific details on sanctions (i haven't actually looked at it myself). the only specific rule i'm aware of off-hand is i believe 2 "alcohol violations" results in parental notification. not sure how much it takes after that for suspension. August 27, 2007 Dear Students: Welcome back to campus as we begin another exciting year here at Georgetown. One of the key challenges and opportunities we face as a community is how to balance social and academic aspects of our experience. As I informed the student body last year, we are making some changes in our policies and approaches designed to assist students to socialize on campus in ways that are legal, responsible, and safe. These changes focus on party host training and registration, the application of the University’s alcohol policies, and enhanced late night programming on campus. Student voices were instrumental in shaping the conversation that led to these changes and your actions will be important as we move forward this year. As part of our efforts, we have developed a program to prepare students to host safe gatherings on campus and give them tools to manage parties in safe and responsible ways. All students, living on or off campus, are responsible for complying with university policies and local laws and are expected to behave as responsible and thoughtful members of the campus and surrounding communities. Effective October 1, students on campus who wish to host a party must attend a one-hour informational sessions before they can register and host their party. Host trainings will begin in early September. To register and to learn more about the information sessions, please visit the I Know How To Party website at be.georgetown.edu/iknowhowtoparty. Current party notification policies remain in effect through September 30. Although the host training requirements are not mandatory until October 1, I want to remind you that the following changes to our alcohol policy take effect immediately at the beginning of the Fall semester: -The party registration deadline for a given weekend is Thursday by 10am; -Each party needs to have two hosts age 21 or older; -There is a limit of one keg per party; -Party sizes are limited based on the size of a living unit (25 guests inside Alumni Square or Henle, 35 guests inside Nevils, Village A, or Townhouses; and 50 guests on a shared pad area of Village A rooftops or a townhouse backyard). -Equipment designed specifically for use in high-risk drinking games is prohibited. -Significant or repeated alcohol policy violations will carry strict sanctions, including parental notification, referral to alcohol education resources, and potential suspension. You may view the entire student code of conduct and list of possible sanctions online at studentconduct.georgetown.edu/Code_of_Conduct_07_08.pdf. We want our students to have multiple options for socializing and experiencing life on campus and we know that much of this takes place during late-night hours. With that in mind, we are substantially enhancing late-night programming this year, with a new staff position in the Center for Student Programs, and a wide range of exciting late-night events. Student organizations are planning and organizing many of these events, in partnership with staff in Student Programs, Residence Life, and other departments on campus. This fall, look for events each weekend, starting with the What’s After Dark: Midnight Carnival (August 31, 10pm-2am, The Front Lawns, Rain Site: Yates Field House) and the Party at Club Lau (September 1, 10pm-1am, Lauinger Library). We appreciate your ongoing support and partnership as we work to create a more vibrant, respectful and engaging campus community. Sincerely, Todd Olson Vice President for Student Affairs and Dean of Students
|
|
HealyHoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Victory!!!
Posts: 1,059
|
Post by HealyHoya on Aug 30, 2007 16:20:50 GMT -5
and if i was still in school i would make it my personal mission to beat the living hell out of r.a.'s, apt mgrs, and their ilk, who actively followed normal kids to parties with the sole intention to break up said party. that is so absolutely ludicrous and reminds me of that no-fun loving donkey the former Dean Gonzalez (no relation to our esteemed ex-AG - please don't put me on The LIST!!!!) This just begs for a group of students, selected at random, each party-eligible night, to talk up a huge, phantom party conspicuously close to the room, closed door, actual person of the RA, etc. Said group of students would then be tasked with walking all over Burleith, Foxhall, Glover Park, etc. leading the RA on a -- hopefully -- hours long tour of NW neighborhoods. Each particular group of students would assume this role for a night as service to their fellow students.
|
|
|
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 30, 2007 16:29:46 GMT -5
|
|
hoyaboy1
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,346
|
Post by hoyaboy1 on Aug 30, 2007 16:36:00 GMT -5
Mandatory party host training? Can't be serious.
|
|
kchoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 9,934
|
Post by kchoya on Aug 30, 2007 16:43:16 GMT -5
Oh my, there's just too much here to make fun of... "please visit the I Know How To Party website at be.georgetown.edu/iknowhowtoparty." Seriously? How many hours did it take to think of that? "Equipment designed specifically for use in high-risk drinking games is prohibited." Um, I don't remember using anything "specifically designed" for drinking games. And what's a "high-risk" drinking game as opposed to a "low-risk" drinking game? " We pretended Student voices were instrumental in shaping the conversation that led to these changes..." [/fixed]
|
|
Boz
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
123 Fireballs!
Posts: 10,355
|
Post by Boz on Aug 30, 2007 16:52:50 GMT -5
Mandatory party host training? Can't be serious. Unless, of course, that training involves demonstrating to hosts the proper method for making jello shots. Other mandatory host training classes: "Food or No Food: The Male/Female Dichotomy" "No One Wants To See Your Underpants: The Dangers of Garth Brooks" "Party Diversity: Five Guys With An XBox Is Not A Party" "House Beers 101: Proper Use and Abuse of Privileges" "House Beers 202: Getting The Girl Drunk" "How To Take Advantage of Unexpected Guests: The Larry Eustachy Factor" "Is It Time For Sex Yet? - Proper Time Management As Party Host" and, finally... "Battening Down The Hatches - How To Lock Away Every Possession You Ever Hope To See Again"
|
|
|
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 30, 2007 16:53:21 GMT -5
" We pretended Student voices were instrumental in shaping the conversation that led to these changes..." [/fixed] dudeslade is more qualified to discuss it than I am because he actually sat in on the meetings, but the students that were consulted in this process with a few exceptions were those who were likely to follow the administration's line on alcohol. The policy is unfortunate because I thought the view the school took before was pretty good - we know that you are going to drink - we want you to be social, but be safe. The adoption of a policy that is filled with pretexts for breaking up parties on campus shows that the University had abandoned this view. Can any current upperclassman on this board tell me if they've ever been to a party that would have been permissible under these rules? Oh well, I guess students can venture out into Burlieth and Georgetown to party. Oh wait, a student got shot there a couple of years ago and the neighbors will hate the University even more before we try to get approval for the next decade's campus master plan? Oh well, Todd Olson doesn't like beruit.
|
|
|
Post by strummer8526 on Aug 30, 2007 17:01:23 GMT -5
Oh my god. Go to the I Know How To Party website. Seriously, someone got paid to make that thing. I can't believe campus resources are going to THAT.
You wanna know why I may never donate to Georgetown? Because someone got paid at least a living wage to make that website.
|
|
|
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 30, 2007 17:18:27 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 30, 2007 17:22:20 GMT -5
That party web-site is hilarious - they are telling students to check GoCards at the door. That is one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time. Should they swipe their GoCard every time they get a drink too?
|
|
TBird41
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
"Roy! I Love All 7'2" of you Roy!"
Posts: 8,740
|
Post by TBird41 on Aug 30, 2007 18:03:47 GMT -5
I absolutely hated it when I threw a party and unplanned guests brought in excess alcohol. Had to shut down a few sweet parties at my place because of it too...
|
|
RusskyHoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
In Soviet Russia, Hoya Blue Bleeds You!
Posts: 4,809
|
Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 30, 2007 19:04:36 GMT -5
Shameless self-promotion alert: RusskyHoya writes an editorial! tinyurl.com/2r72hn...The explanations for this new way of doing things, however, have been pretty thin gruel. A great many cliches and buzzwords, like "safety," "responsibility," and "stakeholders," have been repeated ad nauseum but ultimately say very little. While attempting to explain the motivation for the changes, one housing area coordinator cited the presence of dangerous individuals from off-campus, including students at other universities, who have caused incidents. "Georgetown," he said, is known as "the place where the alcohol flows," and stated that this perception must be changed. What such statements reveal is that the university is incapable of policing its own territory, and unwilling or unable to provide a secure environment. Phrased another way, what is being said is, in effect, "We can't control all the people who come in, and this makes us look bad, so we have to make your parties less desirable." But writing tougher new policies is one thing and enforcing them is quite another. Members of the current Residence Life staff we have spoken to feel that the regulations, while very ambitious, are not accompanied by an effective plan for implementation. One noted the huge number of students he was responsible for while on duty, which made the kind of oversight called for in the rules difficult, if not impossible. Indeed, especially in the case of residences holding large numbers of people and multiple entrances, by-the-book regulation is guaranteed to be unfeasible. One can easily picture an RA knocking on one door of an Alumni Square apartment while packs of freshmen run out the other. Selective or unequal enforcement cannot help but be the norm under this sort of regime...
|
|
vcjack
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,875
|
Post by vcjack on Aug 30, 2007 20:00:38 GMT -5
nice work Rusky!
I hope your conclusion is right (i.e., this is a superficial face saving method that won't last long). This weekend will be a good test to see if they really mean it or if it will die down
|
|
sead43
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 796
|
Post by sead43 on Aug 30, 2007 20:15:03 GMT -5
another facebook group, started by the president and vice president of GUSA: georgetown.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5729816159they have apparently been in close contact with Dr. Olsen about this recently, so i guess we'll see where that may lead...
|
|
FLHoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Proud Member of Generation Burton
Posts: 4,544
|
Post by FLHoya on Aug 30, 2007 21:04:26 GMT -5
Should they swipe their GoCard every time they get a drink too? Depends on how many Hoya Rewards points they'll get.
|
|
hoya01
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 169
|
Post by hoya01 on Aug 31, 2007 3:35:42 GMT -5
Don't knock beer pong. I was a devoted beirut player for many years and have just made the transition to beer pong since moving up to Hanover. It's actually more fun to play with paddles. Truth. Eitherway, JohnJaques is right, there is no shortage of folding beirut tables on campus.
|
|
joey0403p
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,586
|
Post by joey0403p on Aug 31, 2007 8:26:51 GMT -5
This is such a joke. There are many things I love about g town -- but it's things like this that make me never want to give a dime to them.
|
|