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Post by pkhoya03 on Mar 23, 2007 23:42:51 GMT -5
This caught my ear. Although I'm sure ESPN was just throwing out the names of a bunch of great coaches, it reignites the Administration's need to properly compensate JT3 and his staff for their amazing work. Let's hope they come through.
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Post by doublehoya on Mar 23, 2007 23:47:09 GMT -5
This is idiotic. But thinking about it . . . I wonder if this has Pops' fingerprints on it . . . start a rumor like this to get JTIII paid what he is due?
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Mar 23, 2007 23:50:04 GMT -5
This is idiotic. But thinking about it . . . I wonder if this has Pops' fingerprints on it . . . start a rumor like this to get JTIII paid what he is due? I don't care if Abramoff started the rumor - let's pay the man what he's clearly earned.
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Post by doublehoya on Mar 24, 2007 0:09:37 GMT -5
This is idiotic. But thinking about it . . . I wonder if this has Pops' fingerprints on it . . . start a rumor like this to get JTIII paid what he is due? I don't care if Abramoff started the rumor - let's pay the man what he's clearly earned. I agree 100%. I am just saying that I doubt he'd leave for more money, but floating this rumor should motivate the powers that be to get real about his compensation. And Pops is the guy to float such a rumor . . . .
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Post by DuddingtonHoya on Mar 24, 2007 0:23:39 GMT -5
If I remember right ... when UK boosters were trying to sack Tubby after last season, wasn't JTIII's name tossed around then as well?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2007 0:31:50 GMT -5
This option is far more likely.
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Post by hoyaclap on Mar 24, 2007 0:32:32 GMT -5
JT3 will be named with any high profile opennng from now until the day the university finds a way to pay him somewhere close to market value
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 24, 2007 0:39:37 GMT -5
JT3 will be named with any high profile opennng from now until the day the university finds a way to pay him somewhere close to market value Yep. One reason why I mentioned before the season began that Gtown should think about an extension. Of course as was the case then here comes the excuses. No money for an on campus gym. No money for a new practice facility. No money for an extension. Blah, blah, blah.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2007 0:51:39 GMT -5
JT3 will be named with any high profile opennng from now until the day the university finds a way to pay him somewhere close to market value Yep. One reason why I mentioned before the season began that Gtown should think about an extension. Of course as was the case then here comes the excuses. No money for an on campus gym. No money for a new practice facility. No money for an extension. Blah, blah, blah. How much have you contributed?
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Mar 24, 2007 0:56:29 GMT -5
whats jtiii paid and whats "market value"?
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 24, 2007 1:04:20 GMT -5
I didn't go to the school, Dan. I was simply one of those DC natives who grew up rooting for the team. I've pony up as much money as I can for my alma mata. Should I do so for GU as well? That's asking a lot. I suppose I could always join some Hoya booster club or something, but considering the income earned by a good chunk of GU grads one would think GTown has enough resources to rely on.
Next question?
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Post by prhoya on Mar 24, 2007 1:10:33 GMT -5
It's got Pops written all over it.
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Post by krey23 on Mar 24, 2007 1:10:57 GMT -5
www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2007-03-08-coaches-salary-cover_N.htmTheres a link on the upper half that takes you to a chart of all the salaries... Coaches like Tubby smith? over 2 million plus incentives JTIII?...... less than 500,000 Coaches at UAB, Gonzaga, Nevada, San Diego State all get paid more than JTIII, often by over 1 to 2 hundred thousand. The coach at powerhouse Iona? only 100,000 less Let's get down to business and give the man what he deserves
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2007 1:28:29 GMT -5
I didn't go to the school, Dan. I was simply one of those DC natives who grew up rooting for the team. I've pony up as much money as I can for my alma mata. Should I do so for GU as well? That's asking a lot. I suppose I could always join some Hoya booster club or something, but considering the income earned by a good chunk of GU grads one would think GTown has enough resources to rely on. Next question? MCI, if you're going to crack on those who work at the university and take them to task for the "blah blah blah" as you put it, you should put up some support. There is no exclusion from the HHC for non-alumni. Your statement "Of course as was the case then here comes the excuses. No money for an on campus gym. No money for a new practice facility. No money for an extension. Blah, blah, blah." is tired and worn IMO. Those are statements put forth and argued by people on this board but attributed to people who work at the University who most often never said anything of the sort. It's unfair. Cam expressed what I mean more clearly yesterday in this post: hoyatalk2.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=pro&action=display&thread=1174591919&page=3#1174675690
Every time these things come up, there are plenty of posts that read "The administration needs to step up and do X, Y, and Z." What about asking "What can I do?"
Remember this: EVERY dollar donated to the Hoop Club goes into the Athletic Department budget. And guess where Coach's salary comes from?
There are over 2,700 members of this board. I know many are Hoop Club members. But since the Club only has about 1,500 members, there are plenty of people on here who are not. If every person on this board donated just $100, there's nearly $300,000 for Bernard Muir to work with. And while not everyone can do this, there are plenty here (myself included) who can - and do - give well beyond $100.
If you are a fan of the Hoyas, and if you care about this program, this is a reality that you should accept and should want to be a part of. The Hoop Club increased its donation levels this year for season tickets, and there was whining, and complaining about paying more for a weaker schedule of home games, and all sorts of nonsense. Fine - gripe all you want. Just don't complain if/when Coach leaves because we can't pay him enough.
Everyone here can - in some way - have a DIRECT impact on some of these things, yet there's too often a sense that "Georgetown should handle this." Well guess what?
WE are Georgetown.
We say it all the time. But we need to believe it, and take responsibility for it.
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Post by rccoleon on Mar 24, 2007 1:37:55 GMT -5
ya but we dont know what his nike comp is. i think he stays. if it is a financial decision. pay the man. pay him like tubby. pay him like bill self. pay him like rick pitino, pay him like roy williams. DELETED
Keep it clean.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 24, 2007 6:36:21 GMT -5
I didn't go to the school, Dan. I was simply one of those DC natives who grew up rooting for the team. I've pony up as much money as I can for my alma mata. Should I do so for GU as well? That's asking a lot. I suppose I could always join some Hoya booster club or something, but considering the income earned by a good chunk of GU grads one would think GTown has enough resources to rely on. Next question? MCI, if you're going to crack on those who work at the university and take them to task for the "blah blah blah" as you put it, you should put up some support. There is no exclusion from the HHC for non-alumni. Crack on those who work at the university? More like crack on those who run the university, Dan. Lets get that straight. Their excuses over the year and lack of will to get anything done, their inability to run a damn hospital without going into debt, is more tiring than any of my rants about the issue. You end up being an enabler when you defend them. You sound like a Republican who after getting upset with people criticizing Bush's handling of Iraq respond with the tired rebuttal "well, what's your plan". With that being said I suppose I could sign up for the HHC (even though I won't be attending any of the special events (such as open practice) if I do so. It was something I came close to doing this year but since I don't have any true contact with the university I wasn't aware of how much it would help the program. If there was a legitimate announcement that say, a new practice facility was in the works then I would see that the university would appear to be getting serious about the program and therefore any money I fork over wouldn't be (in my opinion) a waste. However that does sound a bit like a copout in some ways and I guess I should just make the plunge. I will say that as a non-alum my support over the years has been in buying tickets to game each season (even when the team was average or worse) when most of the folks in the DC region didn't seem to care. I've probably ben more loyal to the program (even in the down times) than most GU alums who live in the DC area. That includes my "campaigns" over the years when I've contacted the media to complain about Gtown coverage. But, hey, fine I guess I should look into contributing to the HHC for all the good it'll do. Its rather easy though for a Gtown alum like yourself to make the suggestions you did. When you or any other alum donate money to Gtown program at least you have a true connection to Georgetown university. Its your school which you take pride in. My university has less overall resources than GTown and needs donations just as much (actually it needs it more) than a school with the rep and standing of Georgetown. Its ridiculous, considering the type of professionals Georgetown sends out to the workplace, that outsiders like myself must be counted on for financial donations towards the men's basketball program. It would be like, Dan, if you became such a fan of the Boston College program that you decided to donate money to that program (not including buying tickets to games) while still financially supporting your alma mata.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2007 7:45:18 GMT -5
MCI, if you're going to crack on those who work at the university and take them to task for the "blah blah blah" as you put it, you should put up some support. There is no exclusion from the HHC for non-alumni. Crack on those who work at the university? More like crack on those who run the university, Dan. Lets get that straight. Their excuses over the year and lack of will to get anything done, their inability to run a damn hospital without going into debt, is more tiring than any of my rants about the issue. You end up being an enabler when you defend them. You sound like a Republican who after getting upset with people criticizing Bush's handling of Iraq respond with the tired rebuttal "well, what's your plan". I should not even justify your gross mischaracterization of me with a direct response. If you do not know how difficult running a hospital without going into debt is then you have your head in the sand. I've worked in them for years and am on the board that runs the hospital our multispecialty group practice owns. Let me tell you, running an academic medical center in this financial climate is a recipe for disaster. For your information, the person who is running the university happens to be the person who solved that problem for the university. Frankly, it offends me when people attribute things to him that are blatantly wrong as you are doing. That is what I take offense to and yes, I do know personally the person you so blithely criticize. Of course you should support your own alma mater first. But if you are going to come here and act like you have all the answers you ought to put your money (or the equivalent in effort) where your mouth is and be part of the solution instead of just tossing off smart-sounding barbs. And with that thread-derailing rant I am going to flip into moderator-mode and move this to the 37th & O board.
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Post by aggypryd on Mar 24, 2007 8:01:17 GMT -5
Very unlikely that JTIII will leave right now; especially with his wife recovering and his support system being here.
Definitely does deserve to be compensated. Alums have to step up and make it happen.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Mar 24, 2007 8:14:58 GMT -5
I think the odds are terrific that Georgetown sits down with JT III at the end of the year and sets him up with a big check. Whether that is a big enough check to keep him here, you can't say for sure, but they will make an offer. They aren't that dumb. And I believe there is some serious donor money out there that will step up to help out.
Pops will want to see his kid paid, that is for sure. Paid big time, as he should, and he will advise him on whether to stay or not.
I don't see him wanting Kentucky. If JT III was to leave for a bigger school, it would be Michigan. Much better fit, better expectations, better situation.
I don't think JT III would have wanted to renegotiate his deal after last season. Why? You get to do it once - or at least only once every two or three years - and, well, he probably thought they had a run in them this year and he could get more money after THIS year. And what has happened since? An Elite Eight run - and maybe a Final Four - and a top recruiting class that will evaporate if he leaves.
The month or two after this season is going to be a mess. JTIII may lose all his assistants to head coaching jobs, Georgetown will have to pony up to keep him, there will be stress.
At an otherwise boring trade show I went to once a motivational speaker put up a slide that read: "Every success you have in life just brings a bigger set of problems." All of this is occurring because of success.
I am guessing JT III wanted to wait to renegotiate, now is the time, GU will try to act, Kentucky isn't the place regardless of whether they are interested, and I think we will keep JT III for a few more years. I can't say he will be at GU for 20 years, but I can see a five year run.
Go Hoyas -
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Post by HealyHoya on Mar 24, 2007 15:11:02 GMT -5
I understand the perspective from which this issue (III to Kentucky?) is being discussed but I think it's just that -- the perspective -- that's missing the point.
It's not whether III wants Kentucky but rather whether Kentucky wants III. III's system has a great many simiarlities with Tubby's system. Slow pace, tough D, emphasize fundamentals over high-flying showmanship, ability to incorporate a true back-to-the-basket center....
That's exactly what Kentucky fans (boosters) found distasteful about Tubby. (Well, that and an iniability to make deep runs in the Tourny).
Anyhow, guys like Calipari, Donovan, maybe even Ernie Kent at Oregon, seem to make more sense system-wise.
Don't confuse the manner in which television networks cut teasers and report info-tainment with what makes sense at Kentucky. Meaning, III and Gtown are in the news because of our run -- we're hot -- and so III's name gets thrown in there. But stop and look at this from Kentucky's perspective and why they felt Tubby wasn't a good fit....from that perspective III doesn't seem to make that much sense.
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